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The latest brilliant idea is that the British taxpayer is now footing the bill to pay £1 million per month in child benefit to people living in Poland.
The only qualification is for one of the parents to be working in the U.K. for longer than a year. An example quoted in the press is a Polish woman with two children living in Poland and the husband working in the U.K, gets £1,650 per annum.The family have an income of £38,000 per year and the husband has just applied for £296 per month tax credits The official minimum wage in Poland is £171 a month(this is one of the richer former Communist countries.).
Bear in mind there are 750,000 Eastern Europeans registered to work in this country,how long before they get on the gravy train?
Yes, before anyone asks, I am bloody envious!:D

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I wouldn't say I'm envious, angry might be a better word. Once again we have people claiming money for children who are not even residents of this country. Where is it going end???

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hear hear girls im with you both on this .........ive worked since i was 15yrs old & am on a measley old age pension, do you think i'd get more if i skooted out of this god forsaken land & tried to get more from some other country...................NO I WOULD NOT........so why does our country GIVE our money away ........am fed up with it all.

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That's ridiculous! Paying child benefit from the U.K to mums and children in Poland! Why would anybody think that's a good idea?:confused:

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Well said Mez!

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im sure this loop hole will not only be exploited by the
polish community
surely its bin going on for years with other nationalaties

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It gets better apparently the largest circulation Newspaper in Poland ran a special edition to inform readers how easy it is for immigrants to the U.K. to obtain benefits. Job agencies in Poland also advise on the U.K's benefit system.
As I stated earlier 750,000 Eastern Europeans are registered.The Home office expected just 13,000 to apply,and gave assurances that benefits could not be claimed.

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It really is getting beyond a joke, these countries are laughing at us and we can't even look after our own. It is disgraceful.

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Got steam coming out of my ears over this carry on. Sauna anyone?

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there aint nothing we can do but grin
and bear it as with everything else the ministers
throw at us

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My job from has, for the last 4 years, involved investigating fraudulent claims for Tax Credits. While I can honestly say the Poles very rarely try to claim anything fraudulently they do claim everything they can. They come into my office's Enquiry Centre almost as soon as they arrive in the country, usually accompanied by an adviser/interpreter who has lists of everything they can claim. They can claim Working Tax Credit as soon as they get a job, if the pay is low. Once they are entitled to Child Benefit they are able to claim Child Tax Credit and, it's true, the child doesn't have to be in this country.

I am retiring next week and I have just been informed that my Widow's Pension, which has been paid since my husband died and is based on his contributions, is to be cut by £30 a week as I will have a small Civil Service pension (and, yes, it is small). I have paid tax and NIC all my working life, so did my husband, but people can come into the country having contributed absolutely nothing, be praised for "doing low paid jobs the British don't want to do" and be given every Benefit going. It makes me very, very angry.

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The bit about them doing low paid jobs the British don't want to do is utter rubbish. The fact is they are taking the few jobs that are left for the British, by this I mean manual jobs. How are they taking them? The fact is employers know that they don't need to pay them overtime rates(I know people who have worked with them)because they are prepared to work overtime for normal pay. So in effect they are taking the jobs because any employer is going to use the person who is costing him/her the least outlay. They are then claiming and getting all these extra benefits. IMO the whole thing is a farce, the money is not even going back into this countries economy. The whole thing is a joke.

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Well said, Westender. Then they wonder why we feel resentful towards these that come over. It's hard not to when it feels like we're being pushed to the bottom of the pile.:(

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WE ARE being pushed to the bottom of the pile, this country is a disgrace:mad:

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Well I am there already so I am ok. Its bad down here and would not recommend it to anyone. :(

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Typical, heard about this the other day. not on IMO.:mad:

Wonder how they will get on when its realised they have over paid the polish/other foreign claiments, im sure they will be able to get it back.:rolleyes:

It like why do we have to issue all our benefit information in ALL the foregin languages anyway.:confused:

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Its stupid. If i went over there i probably wouldnt even be Able to get a job or benefits so how come they can come over here and milk our country for all we have and then just leave as soon as they have enough money to retire off in there own country. And as for them doing the low paid jobs that us brits wouldnt do what a load of nonsense i have done several low paid jobs in bad conditions and never once did i complain about it. The benefit system in this country is messed up. I am currently in a part time low paid job (i earn roughly 40-50pw) and have that topped up to the exact same amount id be on if claiming jsa, i also have a young son and the only benefit we get for him is child benefit, and because me and my girlfriend dont live together we are unable to claim anything else. Yet the polish seem to be getting handed benefits just for the sake of it. I used to be really patriotic and proud of my country....not any more im not.

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How about this then!!!!!
BBC NEWS | UK | Some Poles 'claim benefit twice'

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I think its disgusting they shouldn't be given benefits of any kind, if they choose to come to our country they should have to prove that they can support themselves and their families. How does our country benefit by them being here, its not like we need them in the jobs when we have enough people out of work that could be made to do those jobs.

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What really annoys me about all this we are made to think British people won'/wouldn't do these jobs. NOT TRUE, I have known people who have done these low paid jobs for years(six months at one place then six months at another) then round in a circle. These people weren't costing the country anything as they weren't entitled to these benefits. All they asked was that they get overtime rates when they worked overtime. Now we have got people who will work for a pittance because it is topped up with benefits and our people out of jobs.

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Why the bloody hell do I bother working and paying my taxes to keep these spunging job stealers. It's a disgrace the sooner we get out of the EU and send these people back the better. They take our jobs, houses, health service, taxes, they don't pay road tax and they even send the money earned and stolen back to Poland.
When it comes to voting in the General Election please remember this thread and vote for a party who will deal with this big problem, POPE OUT !!!

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I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong but it's the EU rules that are to blame, ( we can blame our government for keeping us in the EU when all we do is pay out for it. ). You can claim child benefit if you are an EU citizen wherever you are in Europe. I think the problem arises because the payment is made depending where the claimant is living, not where the child is living. As the benefit is a percentage of the average income for the country concerned it is obvious we pay out more than other countries where the national income isn't as high.

As bad as it is that other EU citizens are taking benefits from us, there are probably a damn site more non EU residents taking our benefits which wouldn't be the case if we went to live in their countries. :mad:

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So true the asians have been doing it for years.:mad:

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One thing that annoys me is the press are not reporting that a backlash has started against the spunging Eastern Europeans, reports of violence up and down the country are available to read on the internet, this has happened in this area but nothing reported. If people are desperate they will fight back instead of just whinging and doing nothing, don't make these people welcome, I'm not asking that anyone commits a violent act just small things like ignoring them if you're asked for directions.

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This thread has put me in a bad mood, I normally get weekends free from the eastern europeans because at work I'm now a minority in my own country, time to get off the computer and find something else to do until the crap starts again tomorrow.

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I was talking to an asian taxi driver about the polish people yesterday and all he said was "atleast people dont talk badly about asians any more because of them". Id say 10-15% of the people i serve when im working are polish, they dont make any effort to learn our language they just point at what they want and then shove a handful of change on the counter, if i wasnt such an honest person i could make a fortune just by taking 50p each off all of them. I have worked with a lot of polish people and they never understand basic instructions, i worked at a factory in clitheroe and a polish worker was stood infront of a forklift that was trying to get past him, he just stood there completely ignoring everyone telling him to move then when one guy gave him a gentle nudge in the right direction he turned round to him and said "touch me again i sue you". They really know how to play us for fools dont they.

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The latest figures are;since January 2004 1,038,470 immigrants from 24 different EU countries have gained a National Insurance number.

Polish immigrants number 460,780 (equivalent to the population of Liverpool).
72,230 from Lithuania,68,220 Slovakians,32,730 from the Czech Republic,12,440 from Bulgaria and 32,230 from Latvia.
On top of this each month we have 1,400 from France,1,100 from Germany and 900 Italians.

Add to this Dutch,Greeks,Finns,Maltese and Portugese all who are entitled to work here and claim any benefits they qualify for.

Migration Watch informs that we are having to build 200 houses every day for the next 20 years to accomodate immigrants to our shores.
Obviously the figures do not include immigrants from outside the EU, countries in Africa and Asia have many applicants to enter the U.K.then add the illegal immigrants(who knows?)

For those who think all this boosts our Nations economy in the first 3 months of 2007,Polish workers alone sent home £1 Billion;up 25% on the previous quarter.This was stated by the National Bank of Poland.
We can then see that our future economy will be strained.
Again what do we do?
Answers on an unstamped postcard to Mr.Gordon Brown.

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One day they will realise that we are being fleeced, but by then it will be to late. It seems as though we are paying the whole world but not our own.

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The person who is getting the Child Benefit is entitled to claim Child Tax Credit. If they are single (not living together) they don't have to be working, a person on Income Support can claim it and the Jobcentre should be able to calculate whether the child element of Income Support or Child Tax Credit is the best thing for them to claim.

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I suspect that would mean abstaining from voting altogether.

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Sadly that may be so but I have it worse.

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Nothing will ever be done in this country to stop all this until the genuine british people come together and unite which isnt going to happen ..
We live in a nanny state purely because we have allowed governments to tell us what to do.... ie dont smack , dont cane, dont do this , dont do that , dont say black but you can say white . lose the gollywog off a jar a jam because its racist........What a load of balllony .. We are to blame because we dont have the b**ls to fight back and /or the unity .. so why are we all whinging about it?????
we can all sit behind a keyboard crying about it . but at the end of the day the whole of the british population havent got the bottle to come together and stand up to a government ..(whichever one is standing at the time ) and tell them what we want .. we just go along with what they want and make do .....We will never get rid of foriegners nor will we ever beat them .. they are taking over and we are to soft and polite to do anything about it ..

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Karma on its way .......good post

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totally agree with you there

take the french for example: if they don't like something their government comes out with they go on national strike, barricade the ports and make the whole country come to a standstill untill the government makes a u turn

untill we as a nation stand up to the government nothing will ever be done

karma on its way!

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good post well said.

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Good Post.

It winds me up that foriegners have more rights and get treated better than us, you just know they are laughing at easy pickings Britan.:mad:

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Its not just money, they are entitled to medical help, they take jobs at a minimum wage, which seems good to them but how can an English person live and bring up a family on only minimum wage, they are taking all the rented houses, its getting out of hand but it seems there is nothing we can do about it.

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Cherokee you are a star and I wish we had more people like you living in this country. I mentioned earlier in the thread that the British just winge and never actually do anything about it, people never give up there is always something that you can do.:)

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Well,let's here it then, what can we as individuals do. Vote Conservative at the next election?
Where will that get us?
Organise a National Strike? Er,there will be a ready pool of strike breakers.
Emigrate? Can't beat them then join them?
I for one haven't got an answer.

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well done cherokee i second every sentiment
of your thread things will not change
whilst governments may change... ministers never do
and its ministers that make desicions politicians only implement them

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I know that the asians have been doing this for years now. My friend used to work for the benefit agency and she told me that a particular asian had been claiming for 5 children in Pakistan. Now what i dont understand is for one why do they get to claim when they havent paid into the system and two why the government lets them. a family member lives in Saudi Arabia for 10 months out of the year where her husband works but she still pays into her NI in England. When she was last home she had a letter saying that she wasnt entitled to National Insurance because she lived out of the country. Needless to say she gave them what for and they had no right to try and take it away when she had paid into it all her working life. So why is it so easily given away???

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Cherokee, I agree with a lot of your sentiments, but we can tell governments what we want......but do you think that they will listen?
Look at the number of people who got off their butt cheeks and demonstrated against the government on the Iraq issue......did it make any difference? No....of course it didn't. That is because, politicians will promise anything to get elected...once elected they jump on the gravy train and do what they damn well please......and bu88er the electorate that put them in place. British people still believe that the right way is through 'due process' and the ballot box.....despite have experience that proves otherwise.

It was still a very thought provoking post though.

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Who.......?

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I agree MP but even the number of people who demonstrated werent sadly no where near enough. there is no solution to the way this country is IMO you can have one leader creating a mess and another left to pick up the pieces but without better solutions to handle ie, the next generation of chavs etc immigrents and the whole of the benefit system reviewed it will only get worse , our country is too busy looking after other countries outcasts its lost sight of its own people,

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sucsesive governments have never and will
never tackle the problem of immigrants into this country
engels wrote in 1845 about problems with the immigrant irish
if you took the the time to read the book
conditions of the working class all that was written then is still relevent today
we had a large influx of polish people during and after the war with little out cry
in fact my grt aunt married one and had a shop for many years next door to the spread eagle whilst governments change we never get rid of the ministers who make policy the programme on tv ..yes minister.. was so true
we need mimisters who are electable as well as mps

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Ministers ARE elected (they are appointed by the PM from the elected bunch of MPs)
It is the civil servant advisors to those ministers, who influence, but don't dictate, government policies and legislation

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i stand corrected margaret civil servants who seldom
if ever lose their positions and advise strongly
rather than influence should be replaced with each succsessive government

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The most annoying thing about all this IMO is the fact that these people are adviced in their own country what benefits they are entitled to. They are not even putting the money back into the economy. Yet we have residents of this country who do not know there is money in the pot for their benefit. Do we have people informing our old people what they can claim? It is blatant discrimination against our own people IMO.

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It's disgusting :mad:

The amount of tax I personally must pay yearly is incredible compared to if I upped and went to live elsewhere. All I ask is that the tax that I pay is spent wisely and I'm looked after later on in life. I don't think that's asking too much, but it seems very unlikely.