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Bonnyboy 27-09-2007 17:48

British Values
 
I seem to hear various people use the phrase "British Values"

I have my own values, some instilled by my parents, some I have picked up just through everyday life. I consider myself a good person who knows right from wrong and hope that most people would see me as basically decent. I just dont know what the term "British Values" actually means. Are they different things to different people or are they clearly defined somewhere?

Whats your definition of "British Values"


jambutty 27-09-2007 17:53

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The current British value seems to be to roll over and let Brussels walk all over us.

davo69 28-09-2007 06:46

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my god for once i agree with you jambutty lol

magpie 28-09-2007 07:50

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I agree to with jambutty... well said :-)

mez 28-09-2007 07:54

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hear hear very well said ........i do agree with j/butty.

WillowTheWhisp 28-09-2007 09:54

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Sad but true.

cashman 28-09-2007 10:07

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agree, but Brussels are wearing Clogs.:D

beechy 28-09-2007 12:58

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we shall never surrender...
winnie churchill..

Margaret Pilkington 28-09-2007 13:49

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I don't know what British Values are.....I know what my own values are.
I know right from wrong and try to stay with what is right......I know the difference between what is truth and what are lies(my own, here not other peoples) and I try, where possible to stick to the truth.
I would not do to someone something I would not be happy to have happen to me.
I like justice and fair play....I hate it when people benefit/profit from someone else's loss.
I don't like bad language....and use it only after extreme provocation.
I hold that people have a right to an opinion, which may differ from mine....this difference does not mean I can't like them or get along with them.....though I may choose not to.

West Ender 28-09-2007 14:46

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I think British Values used to mean respecting other people, the environment and oneself. I think it meant pride in one's country and one's community and a desire to improve one's own life without making that of others a misery. I think it meant tolerance of those whose views were not our own and a sense of humour in the face of adversity. Sadly, I think much of it has been erroded.

mez 28-09-2007 15:22

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i do agree with you on that one westender oh so true.

beechy 28-09-2007 15:27

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 475043)
I think British Values used to mean respecting other people, the environment and oneself. I think it meant pride in one's country and one's community and a desire to improve one's own life without making that of others a misery. I think it meant tolerance of those whose views were not our own and a sense of humour in the face of adversity. Sadly, I think much of it has been erroded.

i do believe these values still exsist we just have to
instill them in to the youth of today gladly not all of them

Less 28-09-2007 15:51

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 474770)
The current British value seems to be to roll over and let Brussels walk all over us.


Totally disagree, British values are as they have always been, let the weak fend for themselves and always look after number one.

It's just that we have now moved to a situation where Johnny Foriegner might be considered our equal, if we had kept the view that we are the supreme beings we could have the pre-war (WWII) values that our parents held so dear.

i.e. Rickets, unemployment, ring worm, and the disgusting, unwashed working classes kept where they belong.

We may have become 'common' with the E.E.C. but at least we all get the chance to fester in the same Muck!

Lilly 28-09-2007 16:05

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 475043)
I think British Values used to mean respecting other people, the environment and oneself. I think it meant pride in one's country and one's community and a desire to improve one's own life without making that of others a misery. I think it meant tolerance of those whose views were not our own and a sense of humour in the face of adversity. Sadly, I think much of it has been erroded.

I agree entirely, Westender.

BERNADETTE 28-09-2007 16:09

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Margaret and Westender both of your posts ring true for me.

SPUGGIE J 28-09-2007 17:31

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British values will always be what we deem them to be. Dosnt mater if its age old tradition or something you hold true yourself. If you have values and abide by them that is all that matters. We can instill values in others but they will choose their own.

jambutty 28-09-2007 17:35

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Lord Fontegue to Lady Fontegue, “The natives are revolting”

Lady Fontegue to Lord Fontegue, “Yes they are!”
:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

bullseyebarb 28-09-2007 17:41

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Decency knows no country. It is universal and depends entirely upon the individual and how he or she was raised.

grannyclaret 28-09-2007 22:50

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Do we still have British values ?It seems like they went down the pan years ago ,when we were told we had to be politicaly correct :end:

Mancie 28-09-2007 23:35

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British Values?

Politeness,good manners
Courage
Justice
Equality?
Pride in your nation

I believe all the above are basic "British Values" but sadly the press and the media as a whole debase these values daily and some "British" people go along with it.

Ianto.W. 29-09-2007 05:45

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British Values include, not allowing the devalued values of others, imposing there so called values upon the British. People.

MargaretR 29-09-2007 08:40

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Values are linked to culture. Now Britain is multicultural we need to accept that other cultures have different values. That does not mean that we will have to modify ours - just need to respect the fact that other cultures have different values.
As an example - Italians have a culture so strongly 'family orientated' that their old people are respected and valued more than ours - so you see that some other cultural values may well be worth taking on board with ours

SPUGGIE J 29-09-2007 14:26

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We have to respect the values and customs of others but do they respect ours?

garinda 29-09-2007 14:49

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Britishness.

Queuing patiently.

Supporting the underdog.

Believing it's the taking part that counts, and not the winning...except for the World Cup, and any Brit who makes it past the first round at Wimbledon.

Talking about the weather at every opportunity.

A superior feeling that you are always right, and if Johnny foreigner doesn't understand what you are saying in English, just say it again...but shout it.:D

SPUGGIE J 29-09-2007 15:02

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 475357)
Britishness.

Queuing patiently.

Supporting the underdog.

Believing it's the taking part that counts, and not the winning...except for the World Cup, and any Brit who makes it past the first round at Wimbledon.

Talking about the weather at every opportunity.

A superior feeling that you are always right, and if Johnny foreigner doesn't understand what you are saying in English, just say it again...but shout it.:D

I thought it was; being the underdog, winning has to be done at all costs, and allways thinking we are the superior race and culture. :eek:;)

jambutty 29-09-2007 17:09

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 475357)
Britishness.

Queuing patiently.

Supporting the underdog.

Believing it's the taking part that counts, and not the winning...except for the World Cup, and any Brit who makes it past the first round at Wimbledon.

Talking about the weather at every opportunity.

A superior feeling that you are always right, and if Johnny foreigner doesn't understand what you are saying in English, just say it again...but shout it.:D

That just about sums it up.

I would just add moaning to family and friends and not to the person who can actually do something about the cause of the moan.

WillowTheWhisp 29-09-2007 17:19

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Queuing seems to have gone by the board these days. It really annoys me when I have queued patiently for a bus and people come along and shove in at the front, head for the front seats and I am left to make my way to the back (if there are any seats left there) which I find difficult on a moving bus as I have trouble balancing.

jambutty 29-09-2007 17:47

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 475461)
Queuing seems to have gone by the board these days. It really annoys me when I have queued patiently for a bus and people come along and shove in at the front, head for the front seats and I am left to make my way to the back (if there are any seats left there) which I find difficult on a moving bus as I have trouble balancing.

Well why didn’t you say something about it instead of just standing there like a Muppet?

If you let people trample all over you they will.

The real British value used to be looking out for each other. Today it is a me, me, me, me, me, me, me society.

Sometimes I’m ashamed of being British.

WillowTheWhisp 29-09-2007 18:45

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 475469)
Well why didn’t you say something about it instead of just standing there like a Muppet?




I did but I was too far behind other people who were being pushed in front of to actually be able to insist on getting on the bus in front of them.

A few weeks ago at the switching on of Blackpool illuminations again we had been queuing all day and, towards the end of the afternoon when they opened the gate to let people in, crowds came across the road from Coral Island and headed to the front of the queue. Those of us who had queued all day DID complain. We complained to the ones pushing in and we complained to the security guards who were letting them in.

Did it have any effect? Not one iota. The security bods just smiled, shrugged their shoulders and let them in anyway.

BTW - disagree with my viewpoint or opinions as much as you like but is it really necessary to degenerate into childish name calling? And to think Less thought it would be newbies who would disrupt the calm we were enjoying for a while.

Eric 30-09-2007 18:21

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Originally Posted by beechy (Post 475026)
we shall never surrender...
winnie churchill..

That's it. The British; the only people in the world who improve with adversity. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. That's Britishness.

SPUGGIE J 30-09-2007 18:30

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 475854)
That's it. The British; the only people in the world who improve with adversity. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. That's Britishness.

Bit like a good curry, spag bol, chilli etc. Flavour improves when left overnight. All in it get stuck in and become better so the whole is better. :D

shakermaker 30-09-2007 18:32

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Well, it used to be about going out all over the world raping other countries' women and stealing all the tea/coffee. These days it's about being best friends to other countries who want to kill innocent people in the east and steal oil.
Either that or it's about aspiring to be the most underachieving footballing country in the world.

SPUGGIE J 30-09-2007 18:34

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Would have to be "aspiring to be the most underachieving footballing country in the world" Shaker. :)

shakermaker 30-09-2007 18:41

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 475866)
Would have to be "aspiring to be the most underachieving footballing country in the world" Shaker. :)

Thought as much!

cmonstanley 30-09-2007 18:51

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 475469)
Well why didn’t you say something about it instead of just standing there like a Muppet?

If you let people trample all over you they will.

The real British value used to be looking out for each other. Today it is a me, me, me, me, me, me, me society.

Sometimes I’m ashamed of being British.

we all know who can blame for that. i can remember when it was looking out for each other then. a certain political party with a certain female went all out to destroy it with her certain policies:(

cmonstanley 30-09-2007 18:57

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 475284)
Values are linked to culture. Now Britain is multicultural we need to accept that other cultures have different values. That does not mean that we will have to modify ours - just need to respect the fact that other cultures have different values.
As an example - Italians have a culture so strongly 'family orientated' that their old people are respected and valued more than ours - so you see that some other cultural values may well be worth taking on board with ours

but that where you are wrong in certain areas of britain family values are still held in high esteem and they are not other cultures. they arebritish cultures ie norn ireland west of scotland its the way britain used to be before the 80s they never took the thatcher concept of f~~k everybody else im alright...

cmonstanley 30-09-2007 18:58

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 475866)
Would have to be "aspiring to be the most underachieving footballing country in the world" Shaker. :)

dont forget were talking about british not english i cant ever remember saying scotland will win the world cup ..well not after 1978:D

shakermaker 30-09-2007 19:06

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 475883)
dont forget were talking about british not english i cant ever remember saying scotland will win the world cup ..well not after 1978:D

Aye fair enough :rolleyes::D

SPUGGIE J 30-09-2007 19:21

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 475883)
dont forget were talking about british not english i cant ever remember saying scotland will win the world cup ..well not after 1978:D


Have a little faith please. They are trying the impossible but miricles take longer. Beside the best win was when Scotland beat England in '67 :D

cmonstanley 30-09-2007 19:53

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is that when we were the unofficial world champions:D

SPUGGIE J 30-09-2007 21:06

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 475900)
is that when we were the unofficial world champions:D

It was it was. :D


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