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So what did you think? I was mighty impressed.

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as shania twayne said..
it dont impress me much..

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I did actually catch his speech live, as I had tuned in to watch a programme about gardens, which because of the length of time he spoke, was sadly cancelled.

What he waffled on about just washed over me, but what did catch my attention was how badly his hair his receding, and how by the time he's forty five, he'll be almost bald. Which doesn't bode well for his chances, as the political pundits always tell us we never vote for anyone who is bald, ie: Kinnock and Hague.

I do think we as a nation are very fickle. Labour party conference, massive Labour lead. Week later, after Cameron's speech, even stevens in the polls.

Just who are all these floating voters that the opinion pollsters find, who are so easily swayed from week to week?

What did impress me though was that young Cyfr was up and posting on here at just after six!!!

Hopefully he was just coming in from another fresher's ball.

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I have heard before that bald men dont get voted for in politics. My subconcious problem is that Brown looks too much like Nixon

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sorry i had to switch off!!
the whole thing about him makes me cringe, i dont know what it is but hes creepy, dont like him at all, if he gets into power the country will be more messed up than it is now:(

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Don't worry Garry, it was only cause he is coming home. (Probably already spent all his cash on dirty beer and women.) :D

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My parrot makes a better speech after 4 pints of strong bitter.

Get rid of Cameron and bring back Maggie.

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What a waste !!! Far better to spend it on dirty women and clean beer :p

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tony who....?

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Boy that man is so far up his own Arther that cave rescue cant find him. Last time I heard that many piles of cow pats landing an entire herd had a bug. The crud being fed by his own advisors is worth about as much as the beer pumps spill tray contents. G if you sat through that speech I hope you booked some therepy for it would be bad for you.

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spill tray contents are useful spuggie! If you put some in tub and bury the top level with the soil in your garden all teh slugs will go to it and drown!

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Like a true sleazy Tory :D

Cameron's views on education were absurd.
Methinks we should expect to see Brown in power for quite a while.

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Was actually just after 5 :p Came home for the day. Going back in a bit.


So people didnt like his speech? What about his policies? Only millionaires pay death tax, removing stamp duty so young people have more of a chance to get on the housing ladder?

He spoke from the heart and with such optimism. He announced policies when everyone was saying he had no substance, and now people are just attacking him for the heck of it, I suppose thats why Polititions target floating voters, because the others just attack the opposite no matter what they do!

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:mad:stamp duty starts at what ? 250.000
not many young first time buyers can afford that
or am i in cloud cuckoo land

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This is stealth socialism I tell you...certainly more socialist than any of New Labour's policies.:D

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I'll be singing Red Flag next eh Gary :p

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Its £125,000 it starts, which is indeed very high but thats how crazy house prices are going :( So first time buyers tend to be much older!

But ofc the stamp duty isnt just for first time buyers, it just removes the cost from anyone buying a home as its a pointless tax!

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I was fairly impressed by his 'from the heart' way of speaking without notes or autocue but where it failed him was that he was actually very short on policy. He said a lot of 'we will reduce this/that, etc' but he didn't say an awful lot of 'how we will do it'. As usual, great presentation but lacking substance.

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And this from a "Nu Labour" supporter...priceless! :rolleyes:

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There you go again Wynonie, trying to label me. I support the local Labour party - as I have said many times, this does not necessarily mean that I support the national party on all issues!

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I know, I know, Gayle. Just a tongue-in-cheek comment. Just trying to cheer meself up! ;)

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Never mind Nu Labour, the Tories under Cameron are definitely Conservative-Lite.

Whilst in Blackpool this week Theresa May, amongst other M.P.'s, was strutting her leopard skinned stuff at their annual Absolutely Equal 'gay disco'.

The Tory old guard must be choking on their oranges, and by that I mean Britvic, and not the fruit, used in some auto-erotic sex game.

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It wasn't, as speeches go, a bad speech, but it wasn't a good one either. And I think that just about sums up the state of the party at the moment; middling. It has too much of the Curate's egg about it.

I can remember listening to the blessed Margaret, in her prime, when she had the Conference hanging on her every word and gesture. She delivered big, bold, no-nonsense ideas and objectives and the party and the country backed her to the hilt; even though one half suspects that it was because they were too intimidated by her to do anything else.

Cameron, it strikes me, would like to be seen as the Tory equivalent of Blair, but without the maniacal ego; it won't work, he will just end up becoming a sort of vaguely right - ish Charles Kennedey.

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And now Labour steal all our policies... and people wonder why Cameron wasnt so forthcoming in Policy announcements when he first became leader!

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cameron will never be prime minister, hes a prat!!
hes creepy too:(

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Neither quality stopped Tony Bliar!

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...px-DataTNG.jpg
Cameron looks just like commander Data in startrek,,,,i wonder if he has a cat called spot,,,,,,

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As a socialist I regret to say that Gordon Brown reminds me of Richard Nixon

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agree with AB wasn't a bad speech, what it omitted was how the hell he was going to pay for it. lol according to economists anyway. as for brown pinching the policies cyfr if he did he watered em down a bit and SAID how he was going to pay for em.:p

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The Tories get more and more like the Lib Dems by the day!..grabbing unrealist figures out of thin air, it was only a few weeks ago that Cameron said he would save British business £14 billion by "cutting red tape".. the only way to save anything like that sort of money would be by abolishing the minimum wage, abolishing maternity leave, and by taking health and safety regulations back into the 19th century!

Cameron can make as many promises as he likes, and as Garinda says, the old Tories must be choking on their brandy... but if he is ever elected those "old Tories" will get rid of him within 2 years.

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Possibly, but Old Labour never got rid of Bliar, even after he'd chucked out clause 4 from the party constitution. Power is a great aphrodisiac!

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OK..but clause 4 was chucked out mainly by the unions by a vote... and it was before Labour/Blair won the election... there is no way the grass roots nor the Maggie loving MP's in the Tory party will put up with a "soft socialist" like Cameron for to long, they ache for the good old 80's up down economy... Cameron has to deliver tax cuts, and the sort of tax cuts were the big earners save the most money.

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The grass roots of the Labour party probably yearn for the days of mass nationalisation and beer and sandwiches with the union bosses at no 10, but they've put up with a "soft capitalist" like Tony for the last ten years. Seems to me that Nu-Labour and Tory-lite are mirror images of each other these days!

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Saddened, but not really suprised, to see Cameron going back on his word.

He'd promised to keep the Punch and Judy element out of British politics, and there he was this week at Prime Minister's Question Time, going at it like Queen Bitch of the Bitch people.

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Cameron laid down EXACTLY how he was going to pay for it. Don't listen to Brown propaganda!

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Im not so sure I can believe that. When he was elected as leader he was clearly a "compassionate Conservative" if you will. He was elected by the grass roots, over 2/3 of them voted for him over the ring-wing Thatcherite policies of David Davis. And these are the "Old Torys" voting as people who joined the party just before Cameron was elected (Like me) didn't get to vote as you have to be a member for 6months.

Unfortunately as Politics goes you will always hear lots of a noise from a small minority, such as that of grammar schools. In reality when you wipe away the media gloss its not quite so hardcut. The press just love to blow things out of proportion, it gets them money.

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i was listening to economists not brown.:p as i previously said,but typical tory= reads the bits they want. pmsl

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Where did you read it?

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didn't read it,was listening to one of the news channels. you will never make a politition cyfr, i said listening not reading. pmsl

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This was a case of the not so sure preaching to the born in the right bed bunch who's only interest is living off the back's of the less fotunate, and more poorly educated.Not very much in there about improving primary and junior education, just about who keep's the money in their pot and make sure it stay's in the family, regardless of ability or common sense. Makes more sense if the cash goes round, and not the old top hat and tail brigade Lobster guzling louts at Royal Ascot.

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People can still say they were listening to economists and have read it.. Whats your problem?

Oh yeah, first link I clicked in google said this:

Seems pretty clear to me without listening to some economist who you can't seem to point a finger at to give some evidence so I can try and understand what they were saying.

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aint got a problem, you may just understand tongue in cheek,or the like when you get a bit older.

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I just read how Brown is going to fund his inheritance, surprise surprise its the exact same idea of the Conservatives way of funding theirs! So if Brown can fund his they can fund theirs!

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with brown who is better than blair, the jurys out as far as i am concerned, what i would say regarding funding as i aint read it, he has had 10 years as chancellor, so is in a better position,than "shadow" chancellors to justify it.

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Cyfr the definition of an economist is an Aberdonian hotel owner,/ Pub Landlord, adjusting the price of the whisky five minutes before closing time! Cameron get's his ideas from thie thinest book in the world "The Jewish Gift Book."

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Might have been from the Al Capone book on paying tax.

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i missed this bit, whats your problem? i dont bother taking name and addresses of people on telly, i just listen too differant opinions,and also what they actually are. but i will point a finger at you and say you are an opinionated little prat.:rolleyes: i know a few academics that are far more intelligent than me, but also they are dim when it comes to real life.

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Cashy. I do not know this misinformed burke Cyfr, from Adam or Eve, what I have deduced from reading his claptrap is that he is a fully paid for member of the 'silver spoon' brigade.never needed or wanted gainfull employment, and has embarked on a carreer as a porfessional student of bull**** and hypocondria( the last one he has a phd in.:not_ripe:

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I think that personal insults are a bit uncalled for guys. Cyfr has every right to have an opinion and state it just as much as you have - you can't call him an opinionated prat when you're just as opinionated as he is. Just because you have more experience on your side doesn't mean you can get away with it.

I disagree with Cyfr on almost every political point but we have never once resorted to name calling - that's just unnecessary and to me indicates when someone feels like they've lost the argument!

Sorry Cashman and Ianto but just felt I needed to say something.

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fair enough yer entitled, but this is not the first time cyfr has made insinuations to me, and i do NOT regard that as a personal insult, just a statement of my opinion.if you think thats name calling- get real Gayle. i have been called many things over the years n dont bother me much,but someone who calls my honesty into question,no matter WHO it is, is on thin ice.

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Your right Gayle was over the top apologies Cyfr, late night post, sorry old boy, feel free to have a go back . Thank's for the backside kick Gayle, it was out of order.:o

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Like any political speech, his can be summed up in one word: Bulls**t. One of the benefits of being in opposition, is that one can make promises that one can break at one's leisure after taking office. The one demand of the Chartists that we need in our democratic systems is annual parliaments. Or, given that voters have such short memories, monthly or even weekly parliaments.

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I sure hope you have some up and coming back-benchers. Although, as of this moment, things are not looking too promising. England has already given up half of its sovereignty to the EU........and which party is going to give you a referendum on that? You are neck deep in political correctness. Your Church is falling apart. Muslims, (quite a few of them radicalized), are likely to be taking over many of your major cities in the not too distant future. I doubt that either of the major political parties will make the slightest difference in the overall scheme of things.....unless you get some really good leadership.

Always remember......government reinforces failure.

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Really good leadership eh. GW will be out of a job soon ... maybe he could be persuaded to lead England. The monarchy thing will be popular with the Bush family as they seem to want to establish a dynasty. And lets look at the state of the nation in the US. Economy taking a big s**t ... cities rotten at the core, taken over, not by muslims but by warring gangs. Once again the US wins the most unpopular country award. American national wealth being poured into yet another futile war (I don't think the Americans have beaten anyone since they eliminated that danger to world security, Grenada). The only "civilised" country in the world that seems to take pride and pleasure in hanging, the electric chair, lethal injection, and the firing squad. The country with the biggest drug problem, the most guns, the highest crime rate. The country where getting really sick will leave you really broke, or, if you have no money really dead.

People who live in glass houses etc.............

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I see you don't bother to mention the looming Clinton dynasty. Now why would that be? Wrong brand of politics, perhaps?

Frankly, I don't give a rip whether America is unpopular in the world or not - just so long as we don't follow down the same path as Europe, England and, yes, Canada.

Go ahead, keep regurgitating the rubbish you hear in the press. I live here and know what's real and what's manufactured. My opinion of the U.S. has remained stable ever since I first arrived on these shores in 1965. It's still the best country by far in which to live and work.

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Ah, 1965, the good old days. Seems like the thinking of a lot of Americans, particularly the elected ones hasn't changed since then. America before the ass kicking in Viet Nam, when the boys in the south could still have a toga party followed by a good old fashioned lynching. Those were the days. And Americans are still trying to sell their system to the rest of the world! No wonder it is a hard sell. No wonder peoples are not lining up to have what the Americans have brought to Iraq. Want some anarchy, a touch of chaos, civilian deaths in the thousands, ruined infrastructure? While I still believe Cameron's speech is bs, and the same kind of bs that we hear from our politicians in Canada, he is trying to sell his politics to the British people in a democratic setting. He has no intention of trying to force it onto the rest of the world at bayonette point.