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West Ender 25-10-2007 20:19

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Two boys were knocked down and killed while walking across the carriageway of the M56 at Runcorn yesterday. It's a terrible tragedy but what on Earth were the children doing out on their own? One was 6 and the other 7.

The father of the younger boy was interviewed on radio today. He said the child had been out playing all afternoon and, "I thought he was playing on the street. When he didn't come home at 5 o clock I got worried." Obviously no one was keeping watch over these children who were little more than babies.

I know the area where the boys lived, it's a large estate surrounded by woodlands and the father said he had warned the child not to play in the woods and not to go past the motorway bridge. All well and good if he was talking about a teenager but this was a 6 year old for God's sake.

I'd like to think the man felt some guilt about letting his son play unsupervised but, from his last comment in the interview, I doubt it. "The doctor's been to see me and given me medication," he said. "They've suggested I go for counselling." Good to see where his priorities lie.

BERNADETTE 25-10-2007 20:28

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What a terrible tragedy but as you say children of this age need close supervision.

Mr Aleks 25-10-2007 20:31

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Cant say i am thinking anything but what stupid little idiots and its thier own fault. sorry but its true.

MITZY 25-10-2007 20:35

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Sorry but I agree with Aleks on this, ok they should have been supervised. but at the age of 6 and 7 surely they knew they shouldn't play on the road let alone the motorway.

BERNADETTE 25-10-2007 20:36

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Nice to see so much compassion

katex 25-10-2007 20:40

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Understand your sentiments Westender, but in my young days, was cycling to Whalley at 7 years old, let's face it though times have moved on and more traffic dangers than ever.

Was listening to a short interview this week with the actor who played the Green Cross Code guy and this campaign helped to reduce the children traffic accidents from 40,000 >> 20,000. Expressed an opinion that now there is no public 'slogans'/campaign aimed at children having traffic awareness, and all being focused on the driver and their speeds, etc. Thought this was a very good point.

Mr Aleks 25-10-2007 20:42

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I have no compassion for such stupid morons who do this then expect sympathy. It was thier own fault, they got told not too go there for a reason and decided they knew best. And im pretty sure im only saying what alot of members are thinking but not willing to write.

Lilly 25-10-2007 20:43

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 484903)
Understand your sentiments Westender, but in my young days, was cycling to Whalley at 7 years old, let's face it though times have moved on and more traffic dangers than ever.

Was listening to a short interview this week with the actor who played the Green Cross Code guy and this campaign helped to reduce the children traffic accidents from 40,000 >> 20,000. Expressed an opinion that now there is no public 'slogans'/campaign aimed at children having traffic awareness, and all being focused on the driver and their speeds, etc. Thought this was a very good point.


I think that's a very good point too, Katex.

BERNADETTE 25-10-2007 20:45

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They were children, lets get things into perspective here as a child if you are told not to do something it makes it even more attractive.

flashy 25-10-2007 20:47

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one of the kids had been out playing all afternoon at 6 years old? why oh why oh why? if Reece is out for more than 30 minutes i want to know where he is and he's 11

BERNADETTE 25-10-2007 20:49

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The parents have got to take responsability for this harsh as it seems. In this day and age you should know where your children are at all times IMO.

Mr Aleks 25-10-2007 20:51

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 484910)
They were children, lets get things into perspective here as a child if you are told not to do something it makes it even more attractive.

Sorry but something that serious you drill into your child. It never did me any harm. An yes i agree with you on the parents taking SOME of the blame. Its impossible to keep track of kids today though so most of it was their own silly fault.

Bonnyboy 25-10-2007 20:51

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Originally Posted by Aleks (Post 484905)
I have no compassion for such stupid morons who do this then expect sympathy. It was thier own fault, they got told not too go there for a reason and decided they knew best. And im pretty sure im only saying what alot of members are thinking but not willing to write.


I'm not one of those members. It's tragic, kids are pre occupied with other things, at that age. Thats why they need parents and for alot more years than these two young ones lived. Their senses have in no way developed into that of an adult, they cant judge speed/distance. It seems to me it was an adventure that went tragically wrong....christ, I cant recall the last time I paid any attention to my father when I was a kid.

flashy 25-10-2007 20:52

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yes your both right it should be drilled into the child, i live extremely close to the M65 and Reece wouldnt dare go down there

BERNADETTE 25-10-2007 20:54

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 484920)
yes your both right it should be drilled into the child, i live extremely close to the M65 and Reece wouldnt dare go down there

As you just said you would know where he was these parents didn't a big difference IMO.

Mr Aleks 25-10-2007 20:54

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 484918)
I'm not one of those members. It's tragic, kids are pre occupied with other things, at that age. Thats why they need parents and for alot more years than these two young ones lived. Their senses have in no way developed into that of an adult, they cant judge speed/distance. It seems to me it was an adventure that went tragically wrong....christ, I cant recall the last time I paid any attention to my father when I was a kid.

I see what your saying but the simple bit is, even for a kid, motorway = danger dont go on it. I know ill ignore that and do it anyway.

flashy 25-10-2007 20:56

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yeah it is a big difference, but why did they not know where the kids where? what where they doing all afternoon?

BERNADETTE 25-10-2007 20:58

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That we will probably never know.

Mr Aleks 25-10-2007 21:01

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Id be mega pee'd off if it was my car that hit them too, think of the damage.

flashy 25-10-2007 21:01

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such a sad sad loss though, even though i didnt know the children i still feel for them

Bonnyboy 25-10-2007 21:02

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Originally Posted by Aleks (Post 484924)
I see what your saying but the simple bit is, even for a kid, motorway = danger dont go on it. I know ill ignore that and do it anyway.

Well you would have thought so, maybe they dint get as much parenting on such things. They maybe just realised they were running late an took a shortcut or something, I used to get worried when I lost track of time as a child. Knew the trouble I was gonna be in, maybe that over rode the fear of the motorway

West Ender 25-10-2007 21:04

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I find it hard to credit that anyone can assume a 6 year old should be "savvy" enough to be left to his own devices for several hours, particularly when he lives within yards of a busy motorway. No, of course the little boys shouldn't have tried to cross that road but they were little boys. Common sense doesn't always prevail when you're 6.

Kate, I used to roam too at that age but, though I lived on a main road, there was little traffic around and motorways were something you wouldn't have imagined. I had a friend who lived at Harwood Bar who used, regularly, to ride her pony from there to West End to visit me. She did that from the age of 10. You'd be crazy to consider it safe to let a child do it today.

All that aside, however, my point was that these kids were completely unsupervised all afternoon. I seem to remember a good many people who said, in response to a thread of mine about my granddaughter being allowed to ride her bike in front of the house, that they don't let their children out of their sight. Where's the difference with these poor children?

BERNADETTE 25-10-2007 21:24

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There is no difference Westender and if I remember rightly in that thread I said that children should be allowed to play out with supervision. I wonder if these parents will see any come back because IMO it amounts to child neglect.

Bonnyboy 25-10-2007 21:27

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 484949)
There is no difference Westender and if I remember rightly in that thread I said that children should be allowed to play out with supervision. I wonder if these parents will see any come back because IMO it amounts to child neglect.

Well if letting your child become overweight is tantamount to child neglect thesedays, I sure as hell dont see why this is not neglect.

BERNADETTE 25-10-2007 21:31

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 484951)
Well if letting your child become overweight is tantamount to child neglect thesedays, I sure as hell dont see why this is not neglect.

We will have to wait and see if anything comes of it.

katex 25-10-2007 21:34

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 484939)

Kate, I used to roam too at that age but, though I lived on a main road, there was little traffic around and motorways were something you wouldn't have imagined. I had a friend who lived at Harwood Bar who used, regularly, to ride her pony from there to West End to visit me. She did that from the age of 10. You'd be crazy to consider it safe to let a child do it today.

All that aside, however, my point was that these kids were completely unsupervised all afternoon. I seem to remember a good many people who said, in response to a thread of mine about my granddaughter being allowed to ride her bike in front of the house, that they don't let their children out of their sight. Where's the difference with these poor children?

I know Westender, not their fault though is it ? Poor little mites. Do feel, though, now is the time to bring back a new campaign for children on pavement/motorway drill.

West Ender 25-10-2007 21:36

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That's what I think too, Bernadette. I was more disgusted with the father's attitude, he was mainly concerned with himself, in his position I'd be prostrate with grief and guilt. I don't believe in wrapping children up in cotton wool but there are limits.

BERNADETTE 25-10-2007 21:39

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 484961)
That's what I think too, Bernadette. I was more disgusted with the father's attitude, he was mainly concerned with himself, in his position I'd be prostrate with grief and guilt. I don't believe in wrapping children up in cotton wool but there are limits.

Yes but you or I would never be in the same position. To let a child of that age play out all afternoon is beyond my comprehension but allowed to play out they were and now their lifes have been snuffed out.

katex 25-10-2007 21:46

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 484961)
That's what I think too, Bernadette. I was more disgusted with the father's attitude, he was mainly concerned with himself, in his position I'd be prostrate with grief and guilt. .

I'm sorry Westender, but how do you know how you would react in such terrible circumstances .. he is in shock after all, and may be things are intepretated incorrectly, only a few hours since this tradegy happened.
Don't be too quick to judge.

flashy 25-10-2007 21:50

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we are all guilty of being too quick to judge Kate, especially me, but it is a fact that those little one's should of been supervised xx

Neil 25-10-2007 21:53

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What a terrible tragedy for all involved, the kids, parents and the poor car driver. Imagine how s/he must be feeling after hitting 2 kids at motorway speed.

West Ender 25-10-2007 21:54

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Kate, do you remember Bobby Beacon? I may be doing you a disservice by assuming you're near my age, if so I'm sorry. Police constables used to go to schools and give a talk about road safety with the aid of this Belisha Beacon-type puppet. The trouble is children never think it really applies to them. At the age of 6 you see a gap in the traffic, you want to go home so you run for it. There are no zebra crossings on the motorway and you have no idea how far a car can travel in a few seconds.

I do agree, children need re-educating about road safety but I don't think a warning from dad, at the age of 6, is enough to let a child play out in an unsafe environment.

emamum 25-10-2007 21:57

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Aleks, do you have children?? because you seem to know nothing about them... children at this age will not listen, they will forget what they have been told no matter how many times they have been told especially when they have other things on their mind.. they should not have been on their own!! it is NOT their fault it is the care givers (or not, in this case) fault for not providing the proper amount of care!!!! i can remember crossing the train tracks in colne when i was late and i knoew my dad would go mental and i remember my friends doing it as teenagers... THEY should have know better.. I am disgusted at the lack of compassion shown.. they were children!!

katex 25-10-2007 22:04

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 484972)
we are all guilty of being too quick to judge Kate, especially me, but it is a fact that those little one's should of been supervised xx

I know Flashy agree .. but don't think we can condemn the father's attitude just now.

Westender: Am 64 and do remember Bobby Beacon .. but as said before, times have changed, and think, like you, a new campaign with regard to the new structure of roads, speeds cars travel at is now essential for the children of today.

It worked before with the Green Cross code, no reason why it shouldn't help with ............... ? Lots of more clever people out there than me who would fill in this blank.

West Ender 25-10-2007 22:14

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Perhaps I do judge the father too harshly but I couldn't stand in front of a TV camera and say, "It was just a tragic accident" if I had been in charge of this child who was allowed out, alone, without any checks on where he was for several hours. The parents of the 7 year old have said nothing.

Neil 25-10-2007 22:17

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 484984)
Am 64 and do remember Bobby Beacon

Get away Kate, you don't look a day over 40.

flashy 25-10-2007 22:17

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she doesnt does she

WillowTheWhisp 25-10-2007 22:58

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"The doctor's been to see me and given me medication," he said. "They've suggested I go for counselling."

To me that does seem to indicate that he is in a state of shock and grief. That is why the doctor would have suggested counselling. For all we know this father may well be blaming himself and wracked with guilt and grief.

archiveuk 26-10-2007 09:41

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Yet again Children are let down by the people who owe a responsibility for thier safekeeping...

Dare I mention Mcanns?

WillowTheWhisp 26-10-2007 09:45

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Have you seen the state of Kate McCann? She is going through hell. Nothing anyone else says about her can possibly be any worse than what she is probably feeling about herself.

Tin Monkey 26-10-2007 10:21

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The bloke I heard on the news yesterday was not the father of the two lads. Apparently the lads were living with a bloke who was looking after them for the parents (or the Mother in particular, as the Father wasn't mentioned). He apologised to the Mother and said he'd done his best to look after them.

There are so many things wrong with this tragic tale and the people claiming that they have no sympathy are obviously trolling. Shame really. :rolleyes:

panther 26-10-2007 13:40

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tragic!!
those poor kids, but i cant help thinking what a 6 and 7 year old are doing outside in the dark near a motorway!!
my son is 6 and hes not allowed off the street, never mind wondering about, and thats during the day, at night he as to be in as soon as it gets dark!

magpie 26-10-2007 14:35

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such a waste... I have to agree its the parents that are the total idiots here... and should be prosecuted, it is wrong for a six year old child to be kicked out on the streets to play alone...
The little one had been out all day by the look of it... but hey the daddy's got some happy pills now and no doubt another child will soon replace the one he's lost:

Why do people like this have children:

Mr Aleks 26-10-2007 16:05

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 484978)
Aleks, do you have children?? because you seem to know nothing about them... children at this age will not listen, they will forget what they have been told no matter how many times they have been told especially when they have other things on their mind.. they should not have been on their own!! it is NOT their fault it is the care givers (or not, in this case) fault for not providing the proper amount of care!!!! i can remember crossing the train tracks in colne when i was late and i knoew my dad would go mental and i remember my friends doing it as teenagers... THEY should have know better.. I am disgusted at the lack of compassion shown.. they were children!!


Alright flower. No no compassion from me love, not for this case anyhow. Nah dont have kids love but you dont need kids to see the fact that it was plain to see that it was just too stupid to attempt it but they still did. Sorry if my opinion gets to you but im not one of the people who says what they thing people like to see or read. I say what i really think.

mallard 26-10-2007 20:36

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At that age they should have not gone of there door step,but it is a sad loss my thout,s go out to there mum and dad,s

Mr Aleks 26-10-2007 20:55

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Originally Posted by mallard (Post 485241)
At that age they should have not gone of there door step,but it is a sad loss my thout,s go out to there mum and dad,s

My point exactly really.

lancscat 26-10-2007 21:29

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having young children my self ,i am amazed that parents let children of these ages go wandering with no checks on them.i never let mine out of my site,still its a tradgedy of two young boysand the drivers of the vechicles.my heart goes out to everyone concerned,

West Ender 26-10-2007 21:34

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 485075)
The bloke I heard on the news yesterday was not the father of the two lads. Apparently the lads were living with a bloke who was looking after them for the parents (or the Mother in particular, as the Father wasn't mentioned). He apologised to the Mother and said he'd done his best to look after them.

. :rolleyes:


No, that was the 6 year old's dad. He has split from the child's mother and the child had gone to live with him and his other children. I still say the man should never have left a child of that age playing out without supervision. He didn't bother where that child was until 5 o clock and, even then, he said he waited 40 minutes before going to look for him.

Tin Monkey 26-10-2007 22:17

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 485259)
No, that was the 6 year old's dad. He has split from the child's mother and the child had gone to live with him and his other children. I still say the man should never have left a child of that age playing out without supervision. He didn't bother where that child was until 5 o clock and, even then, he said he waited 40 minutes before going to look for him.

Ah, my apologies. I was doing other things at the time I heard it on the radio.

A very sad case, whatever the events were that led up to the deaths.

mani 28-10-2007 05:21

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another death of a man crossing a motorway

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A man has been killed trying to cross the M25 close to the Dartford Tunnel.

Police officers were already at the scene when the person ran across the carriageway and was hit by a van at about 0500 BST on Saturday.

The incident has been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) but the reason for the referral has not been revealed.

The anti-clockwise carriageway between Darenth and the Littlebrook interchange was closed for six hours.

A spokesman for the IPCC said: "At 5am this morning a young man was killed on the tunnel approach road, A282, near Bow Arrow Lane, Dartford.

"Kent Police officers had been called to the scene and it is reported that the male pedestrian ran across the motorway and was hit by a van."

The vehicle was not a police van, the IPCC spokesman added.


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