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Hiya,

I work for the Chelmswood estate, the estate claim land via adverse possesion and other legal processes and regenerates them and donates them back to the public and registered public greens.

We have recently recieved an application concerning Hambledon quarry and Hambledon hill, and land at these sites which is currently diused and from photographs we have seen in a poor state.

Does anybody on here by any chance have any information regarding these two sites, there owners or who would like to discuss this further, as it seems that the estate will be forwading there claim this coming saturday and will begin re-generation in 12 months time.

Regards

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Errrr......who pays for the regeneration?

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The chelmswood estate is owned by the King Wilkson family and forms part of the King wilkinson estate, the Chelmswood estate trust pays for the regeneration from money recieved by visitors to various properties on the chelmswood estate and the King wilkinson estate.

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Strange that a googling reveals nothing about Chelmswood or Chelmswood estate,
and 'King Wilkinson' reveals a firm of chartered surveyors in the West country and some firm of quantity surveyors in Saudi Arabia.:confused:

Ps I am suspicious (plus he can't spell :D )

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If you search for King wilkinson and also type in slaidburn there will surely be websites about the King wilkinson family as they own the Village of slaidburn in the ribble valley and the Chelmswood estate does not currently have a website.

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I beg your pardon
Walk 2216 - Slaidburn Village Trail - Ribble Valley - Forest of Bowland AONB Lancashire - a detailed walk description from Walking Britain

PS excuse my doubts - we have had some wind ups here lately

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Found this.

'The project saw over 150m of walling generously supplied by North West Water constructed on land kindly donated by the King Wilkinson Estate.'

Churches

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Sorry about the lack of information concerning us, i myself have just searched google and found nothing i will take this up with our Google Page Ranking manager ASAP. In the meantime if you require any information whatsoever just ask.

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I am sorryif some people think this may be a scam, however i can assure you otherwise, The Estate has been responsible for social improvement projects throughout the county and recieved a letter concerning Hambledon quarry, we are just trying to gather imformation concerning the area prior to taking any action

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We have quite a few local history enthusiasts who post here. It make take a couple of days to get the info you want.
(apologies yet again)

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Okay i understand, it seems liek a very close knit community on here, is it the same in the town as i understand most Accringtonnians are very proud of there roots and there towns heritage. I am from London myself where such hospitality is rare.

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I am not very familiar with that part of town, but I think I have found a reference to that disused quarry in this thread
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ves-29781.html
but it doesn't mention ownership

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It maybe worth contacting Jean Battle at Lancashire County Council, as according to the press she has been fighting for access to the quarries to be gated, and may well know the names of the owners.

Hold-up for gates on troubled site - News - Accrington Observer

Councillor Info - Jean Battle

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Thanks for yoursupport we have just had a reply from the Land registry office for Lancashire and have found out that the site is unregistere and likely to be un-owned as illegal quarry workers were removed from the site sometime ago for reasons of health ans safety. Is there anybody living in this area who would be able to help us further with this project and be a contact for other agencies ??

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Would anybody on here oppose the -re-generation and would anybody be willing to help us with it.

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It may be totally legitimate, but something smells decidedly fishy.

Why would your first port of call not be Hyndburn Borough Council?

Why are there no details of the trust, if it's charitable?

How did you get the job as the mouthpiece for them when you can't spell?

For all we know you maybe a member of the travelling community, just about to grab the land for a cravan park.

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Our first port of call was Hyndburn council however we are just seeing what the public think about our plans, if there are any objections and if people agree with us and are willing to support us.

And this is my first project of its kind, i am a trainee estate Warden and was asked by the Estate manager to do this. Not my idea !!!

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I no there isnt but it forms part of the KingWilkinson family estate which is spread throughout Lancashire and Yorkshire. The estate was formed in 2001 by the family to give something back to the community.

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With a circulation of 15,011 and a readership of 32,665 it might be a better idea to contact the Accrington Observer, if you want public feedback to your proposal.

You would need to supply them with more information than you've given to us, such as the name of the charitable trust etc.

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Ok, I can't spell caravan either, but then I'm not employed by a charitable trust.

Just thought I'd point it out before anyone else did.:D

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No your just fed beer by one whenever I go to a meet.

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There have been a few misunderstanding on our par with regard to the actual site, in fact the quarry is not Huncoat quarry which is still in use but is Hambledon quarry to the rear of Hambledon common and Hambledon scouts which according to ordnance survey is disused. The quarry is accesible via farm track only which is accessed from the bypasss, Haslingden bound before the united utilities access road to Mitchells house.

I apolagise for these errors.

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Why have the people of Slaidburn never heard of Chelmswood ? They've all heard of King-Wilkinson.

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I have a question actually about this as I agreed to help, but I've found much on the King-Wilkinsons but not the Chelmswood estate, and I was confused at first when you referred to Chelmswood, as I thought it may have had a link with the life peer Lord Chelmswood.

However, I do believe that they are quite genuine and with good intention, but there definatly needs to be more information put on the internet so people can check you out, because currently there is a great lack of information and no reference to the Chelmswood estate, only Lord Chelmswood but his estate isn't named Chelmswood.

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Is the hill Hambledon or Hameldon?

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Chelmswood has TWO threads ongoing for the same topic --- just as he did a few weeks ago--- blurring the debate?

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can someone clarify which hill it is?

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Baxenden hill :D:p

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Blazey -read this thread too
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rry-34639.html

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I am just confused because I found a guide that refers to it as Hameldon, not Hambledon...

Obviously this makes a huge difference if I am volunteering as I need to know what hill I am actually looking into!

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By patrolling the land for them you will help them to claim squatters rights
see this stated in-
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rry-34639.html

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Yeh I see that but squatters rights isn't illegal, and yet I am a bit unsure that you can do work on land that you're simply squatting on. If the proper owners turned up surely they'd be done for allsorts of criminal damage and such?

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Quote Chelmswood -"the law of adverse possesion we are required to use the site for 12 months prior to starting work and it would be for the first 12 month that we would require a volunteer."

Quote Chelmswood - "there is no recorded or traceable owner and this is the method employed in all of our other projects which has seen vast ammounts of land designated as public common land and donated to local communities"

They could change their mind about 'donation'

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The estate Trust could not change there mind about donating, the land always truly belongs to the people it is simply the estate in charge of the upkeep and maintainence.

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I'm sure it's all just misunderstandings here. I have already volunteered and I am certain it is all legitimate, and if not I can always pull out, so I will wait and see what happens.

As long as I dont get tied up into anything illegal then I am happy to help.

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King Wilinson OWN Slaidburn --- are they about to donate that too?

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The king-wilkinson estate is seperate to the Chelmswood estate and the Chelmswood estate trust, even though it is owned by the family.

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They acquired Slaidburn in the late 19th century-
Walk 2216 - Slaidburn Village Trail - Ribble Valley - Forest of Bowland AONB Lancashire - a detailed walk description from Walking Britain
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"Slaidburn is unusual in that much of it is controlled by the King-Wilkinson family, which has owned most of the village since the late 19th century"

Since this landowning family wish to appear to have noble intentions - it is overdue for 'donation'.

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When I raised the subject of adverse possession in a phone call to quarry owners I was informed that 12 months is nowhere near long enough.

How can you be so certain that it's all legitimate? When asked for details of the charitable trust none were forthcoming. Neither Garinda nor I were able to trace any legitimate charity by the name of Chelmswood.

Several genuine legitimate questions have remained unanswered.

I do hope you don't get mixed up in any dodgy dealings.

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I think you will find under British law after 12 months of uninterrupted occupation we can legally begin work, however the whole process takes upto 12 years for normal land and upto 20 for crown land.

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Chelmswood still hasn't answered my question. Why have the people in Slaidburn (the ones I've spoken to) never heard of Chelmswood ? They had heard of the Knowlmere estate which has links to Accrington.

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I said the volunteering is legitimate. I can obviously refuse to participate in anything I think is illegal or not right. I'm not going to entangle myself to deeply into it initially anyway until I recieve a response from people I have contacted about it all and as a student who is taught by people who have particular specialist knowledge of land law, I will be able to refer to them before involving myself in anything that may be illegal.

I think he is referring to it as 'charity' though based on the concept of the volunteer work, it isn't like theyre asking for money or anything, just a helping hand? Its not that bad of an idea if it works out.

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Who did you receive the application from?

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A resident of rising bridge, and for obvious reasons i am not going to reveal there name or details.

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So basically if one resident in an area writes to you about a piece of land with unwanted activity on it you will do something about it ?

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I wonder where this resident of Rising Bridge found about you ? No-one else seems to have heard of you, including King-Wilkinson's tenants in Slaidburn.

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No the area in question has a lot of history and importance in the community, however has fell into disrepair and become a hotspot for drug user etc

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Says who ? One resident of Rising Bridge ?

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No, lancashire county councils Mario Maps software indicates the sites history and so do records held by Ordnance survey

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kept well out of this one, but gotta say, something just don't seem right here.:rolleyes:

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But our future lawyer thinks it is, perhaps we are all thick;)

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He asked for litter pickers and people to talk to walkers through the land they already own, so theres no reason to tie the volunteers up into the land they are trying to obtain.

My interest was the fact that there was something to do in the countryside, and he referred to Lancaster, which is where I am most of the time, and it was something to do. I didn't even see they were Chelmswood estate til AFTER i agreed to do it, and I'm still not even bothered.

I get the feeling that you are attacking everything he is saying without actually knowing whether it is or isnt a truthful proposition, and I think until you know, you should just leave him alone.

And you certainly shouldnt be starting on me just because I said I'd like to volunteer. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until I have found out whether its a real oppurtunity or just a waste of time, and I am trying to find out, but I am no closer to having proof than the rest of you, so give it a rest.

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Could you please point out where I have attacked everything he has said in my one post on the thread!!!!

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I still don't get this - it's already common land, there are footpaths on it and people can walk across it however they see fit. From what I understand this organisation is planning to block it off so that they can hold onto it for twelve months and then turn it into common land.

I just don't understand what the plan is, how it actually benefits anyone and why they are doing this?

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your not the only one gayle :confused::confused:

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Sandstone for building and Shale for ballast command quite good prices, and the possibility of using such an exposed location for siting wind turbines will attract government grants. Call me cynical if you wish but that old roman adage "Cui Bono" should be at the forefront of our considerations here. Who Benefits from enclosing common land and then returning it to the commonality? If Chelmswood's proposal is to restore the landscape to its pre-industrial condition then that is laudable but a little inconsiderate of our historical heritage and, considering that part of the site is home to pre-historic remains, I feel sure that the County Archeological Service and English Heritage should be involved in the formulation of any proposal for the site.

I think that Chelmswood, if it is as philanthropic as has been claimed, should be considerably more forthcoming about its past history of such projects and its intentions for this site before anyone here gets involved - after all, if the trust has nothing to hide, why all the obfuscation?

I am not yet at the point of smelling a rat, but, well... it makes you wonder.

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I have checked up on it, was waiting for a reply. There is a law tutor at the Uni who specialises in land and property law, and I asked him to have a look into it for me and his reply was that it appears legitimate but just odd that someone would take the time to do it.

As far as he has found though, the actual estate and everything does exist as said, though he didn't send me links to all his findings.

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Well he mentioned Lord Chelmswood throws a party at christmas at the manor for volunteers and things, but I am not quite sure where the link with Lord Chelmswood actually comes into it, as I thought he was based in Nottinghamshire?

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Maybe this is him
MySpace.com - Lord StarBreaker of Chelmswood - 26 - Male - near newcastle - www.myspace.com/greenmachine666

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More googling reveals this
Tim Harris (Radio dj and Football Director)(Lord of Chelmswood Manor, Nottinghamshire

Perhaps he is doing 'Have you been Had?'

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LOL it gets worse - title for sale on ebay :D
LORDSHIP (LORD) or (LADY) TITLE | + LAND IN ENGLAND - (eBay item 260188854219 end time Dec-03-07 10:28:34 PST)

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Lord Chelmswood is a real person though, and I dont think that will be the lie if there is one to be found.

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I wouldn't know because I don't know either family, but perhaps they know eachother?

I still haven't recieved this pack that they have apparently sent to me. Would've been here by now even if it was sent by second class. Wonder where its got to :p

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If anyone is interested, I never received the pack I was apparently sent, nor did they respond again after they said they would send 'another' so my guess is that they weren't entirely telling the truth or it doesnt exist at all.

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I'm still waiting patiently to know the name they're registered under with the Charity Commission.


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