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accy1968 11-11-2007 18:21

council recycling
 
recycle recycle , thats all we hear from the council , but do they practice wot they preach ? when the street bins throughout the borough are emptied ,does somebody spend all day seperating the kebab trays , from the bottles and cans that are deposited in the bins? i think not ,:confused:

maccy 11-11-2007 18:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accy1968 (Post 492233)
recycle recycle , thats all we hear from the council , but do they practice wot they preach ? when the street bins throughout the borough are emptied ,does somebody spend all day seperating the kebab trays , from the bottles and cans that are deposited in the bins? i think not ,:confused:

i bet they dont

Less 11-11-2007 18:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accy1968 (Post 492233)
recycle recycle , thats all we hear from the council , but do they practice wot they preach ? when the street bins throughout the borough are emptied ,does somebody spend all day seperating the kebab trays , from the bottles and cans that are deposited in the bins? i think not ,:confused:

Garinda started a post about a year ago on similar lines, whatever rubbish the council generates itself goes to land fill because no 'commercial waste', is recycled. The 'Obbo' even stole his idea and published it.

:rolleyes:

garinda 11-11-2007 18:53

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 492240)
Garinda started a post about a year ago on similar lines, whatever rubbish the council generates itself goes to land fill because no 'commercial waste', is recycled. The 'Obbo' even stole his idea and published it.

:rolleyes:

Here it is.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ing-25829.html

Though it was recently reported in the press that HBC buldings and offices are recycling their waste.

How?

Do they take it home?

If so they are breaking their own rules, as they threaten other businesses that do this with fines.

Hypocrisy from our council?

Surely not.

garinda 11-11-2007 18:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 492240)
The 'Obbo' even stole his idea and published it.

No, I alerted them to the issue, though I didn't expect them to publish my name and address.

Still, at least people didn't have to suffer seeing a photograph of me pointing at a teabag, on a tip.:D

Less 11-11-2007 19:11

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Originally Posted by Less http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...s/viewpost.gif
The 'Obbo' even stole his idea and published it.


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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 492251)
No, I alerted them to the issue, though I didn't expect them to publish my name and address.

Still, at least people didn't have to suffer seeing a photograph of me pointing at a teabag, on a tip.:D

My version makes you more of a swashbuckling, macho, hero of the people, You tart!
:D

garinda 11-11-2007 19:17

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 492259)
My version makes you more of a swashbuckling, macho, hero of the people, You tart!
:D

Damn.

Where's the blinkin' edit button?:D

Ianto.W. 11-11-2007 19:50

Re: council recycling
 
Instead of paying the council for trade waste stickers,why doesn't someone obtain a small baling machine and collect it free bale it and sell it, as it is nearly all waste paper and cardboard.

Neil 11-11-2007 19:59

Re: council recycling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 492247)
Do they take it home?

If so they are breaking their own rules, as they threaten other businesses that do this with fines.

Hypocrisy from our council?

Surely not.

You are getting excited again. I thought you said they were taking teabags home to compost. If they compost them they don't throw them away so are not breaking any rules.
Your reporting is very similar to the Observer. Have you started working for them? :p:rolleyes::D

Jae Swift 11-11-2007 20:01

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I saw on TV a while back about what they do with everything we throw out, theres a lot of people.. They actually do seperate each little thing. lol.

... They did on TV anyway....... lol

garinda 11-11-2007 20:05

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 492285)
You are getting excited again. I thought you said they were taking teabags home to compost. If they compost them they don't throw them away so are not breaking any rules.
Your reporting is very similar to the Observer. Have you started working for them? :p:rolleyes::D

Hello.

http://www.jeannieshouse.com/kennel/poodle/poodle_w.jpg

Your little mate Britcliffe was boasting in the press recently about how HBC had reached their self imposed recycling targets....not just for teabags.

How are they doing this, when no other business in Hyndburn has a lawful means to recycle, and those that do are still threatend with fines if they try?

Perhaps you could ask your master, the next time he's taking you for a walk.:D

garinda 11-11-2007 20:06

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 492285)
Your reporting is very similar to the Observer. Have you started working for them? :p:rolleyes::D

I may be guilty of the odd spelling mistake, but there's no factual mistakes in my reports.;)

WillowTheWhisp 11-11-2007 21:42

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So if you bring cans and bottles home form work to recycle them that's wrong? What about putting them in the can banks in town? Is that allowed?

Neil 11-11-2007 22:18

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 492289)
no other business in Hyndburn has a lawful means to recycle

Of course they have. Companies have been recycling paper and separating waste for years. I have not worked for a company yet that did not separate paper, metal etc. It is not the responsibility of the Council but that of the Company to ensure it's waste is correctly handled. Yes some firms may pay for HBC trade collections. Many other businesses use companies such as Biffa, Smurfit etc etc to collect their waste.

MargaretR 11-11-2007 22:24

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I used Shirleys of Blackburn for ordinary paper waste and cardboard- the confidential waste paper was collected seperately for shredding at a government facility
(when I looked after such things for Melbourne House)

garinda 11-11-2007 22:33

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 492369)
Of course they have. Companies have been recycling paper and separating waste for years. I have not worked for a company yet that did not separate paper, metal etc. It is not the responsibility of the Council but that of the Company to ensure it's waste is correctly handled. Yes some firms may pay for HBC trade collections. Many other businesses use companies such as Biffa, Smurfit etc etc to collect their waste.


You're wrong.

As Peter Britcliffe admitted, when questioned by the Observer in the article I instigated, there is no facility in Hyndburn to recycle trade waste.

All trade waste collected by the council currently goes to landfill. There is nowhere to take the waste to be recycled, not even the tip. If the council think trade waste is being disposed off through residential recycling collections, stickers are first issued, and then letters, with the threat of heavy fines.

So quite how HBC is managing to recycle their waste at their various sites throughout the borough, is a mystery.

MargaretR 11-11-2007 22:42

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Hyndburn council charge for collection from trade premises - If I recall correctly it was £350 a year (14 yrs ago) for a large lidded bin and 20p for every bag of overflow.
Therefore it is and was financial sense to separate paper waste to a paper waste recycling facility who collect it from you free and make money selling it on
letsrecycle.com - News and information for the Recycling and Waste Management Community

garinda 11-11-2007 22:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 492381)
Hyndburn council charge for collection from trade premises - If I recall correctly it was £350 a year (14 yrs ago) for a large lidded bin and 20p for every bag of overflow.
Therefore it is and was financial sense to separate paper waste to a paper waste recycling facility who collect it from you free and make money selling it on
letsrecycle.com - News and information for the Recycling and Waste Management Community

Trade waste is still charged to be taken away, on top of the business rates that are paid, unlike residential waste currently being free when we pay our Council Tax.

All of it goes to landfill.

MargaretR 11-11-2007 22:49

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 492385)
Trade waste is still charged to be taken away, on top of the business rates that are paid, unlike residential waste currently being free when we pay our Council Tax.

All of it goes to landfill.

The point I was making is that by directing waste paper to a recycling company saves paying Hynburn Council for the use of more than one large lidded bin or extra bags at 20p a go

waste paper lancashire - Google Search

garinda 11-11-2007 23:21

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 492388)
The point I was making is that by directing waste paper to a recycling company saves paying Hynburn Council for the use of more than one large lidded bin or extra bags at 20p a go

waste paper lancashire - Google Search

I wasn't disagreeing with you.

It would make economic, as well as ecological sense.

Then again, common sense and Hyndburn Borough Council don't make happy bed fellows.

Neil 12-11-2007 08:21

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 492378)
You're wrong.

As Peter Britcliffe admitted, when questioned by the Observer in the article I instigated, there is no facility in Hyndburn to recycle trade waste.

All trade waste collected by the council currently goes to landfill.

As you said in the last sentence above HBC don't recycle trade waste. Other waste companies operating within Hyndburn do.

What should have been stated in the paper is that HBC's Refuse Service do not recycle trade waste. There is a difference.

garinda 12-11-2007 08:26

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 492594)
As you said in the last sentence above HBC don't recycle trade waste. Other waste companies operating within Hyndburn do.

What should have been stated in the paper is that HBC's Refuse Service do not recycle trade waste. There is a difference.

That fact was stated in the paper.

Hyndburn Borough Council does not recycle any trade waste.

Fact.

Except that somehow they do now mysteriously manage to recycle their own waste.

Neil 12-11-2007 11:39

Re: council recycling
 
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 492598)
Except that somehow they do now mysteriously manage to recycle their own waste.

Maybe they are using a different contractor.
They might get a better service that way :rolleyes::D

Neil 12-11-2007 11:43

Re: council recycling
 
Talking about recycling they wont give me a green bin because they say we don't have gardens on my street.

I know have 4 bin bag's full of leaves I have just collected that have fallen from the trees in the garden they say I don't have. I have also just trimmed the hedge I don't have and then cut the grass I don't have. To say I don't have any grass the damn stuff is still growing and it was zero degrees C this morning. I think my 'virtual' grass have must have got its 'virtual' growing season mixed up.

If I had a green bin I would pick up the Council's leaves from the Council trees on the front street as well because they never bother to do it. Then again being stupid I will end up doing it anyway.

MargaretR 12-11-2007 11:44

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It must be difficult for small businesses who may well have limited space for storage of cardboard and paper. I found that waste paper traders need quite a large amount to be ready for collection in order to justify free collection.
Also there are potential fire risks in storing those volumes of card and paper.

WillowTheWhisp 12-11-2007 15:35

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 492623)
Talking about recycling they wont give me a green bin because they say we don't have gardens on my street.


They reckon we don't have gardens in Willows Lane either. Dunno what they think those things are outside people's houses.

ossylass 13-11-2007 17:33

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I have been battling for a green bin for 3 years - I have phoned, written, and been to the depot on Willow's Lane without success - my garden has hedges, bushes and large shrubs and I now have a 6 foot pile of garden waste.

LYNX1 13-11-2007 17:48

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Didn't they have a shredder at Melbourne House then?

MargaretR 13-11-2007 17:50

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Originally Posted by LYNX1 (Post 493205)
Didn't they have a shredder at Melbourne House then?

Not when I was there - maybe now :)

lancsdave 13-11-2007 18:02

Re: council recycling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossylass (Post 493196)
I now have a 6 foot pile of garden waste.


Thats a bit of a ******, the bins are only 5ft high :D

Have you tried contacting your local councillor ?

mallard 13-11-2007 18:03

Re: council recycling
 
They was a bottle bank a a paper bank at the back of mill street in oswaldtwistle,but they moved it and i dont nowe were it is but can you see any one takeing there cans and bottle,s to it,i dont think so.

LYNX1 13-11-2007 18:04

Re: council recycling
 
It's crazy when you think how many councils, government offices and banks have been in the media having lost or ditched confidential paperwork, you'd think something would be done to redress the situation.

garinda 13-11-2007 19:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mallard (Post 493214)
They was a bottle bank a a paper bank at the back of mill street in oswaldtwistle,but they moved it and i dont nowe were it is but can you see any one takeing there cans and bottle,s to it,i dont think so.


That's perfectly true. Since the introduction of residential recycling collections in Hyndburn, there is nowhere busineses can take their waste, which could be recycled, even if they wanted to. All of it goes to straight to landfill.

Gayle 13-11-2007 19:52

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Are the ones at Asda still there?

MargaretR 13-11-2007 19:58

Re: council recycling
 
Since I dont go often I don't know that, but there were some behind the Golden Cross in Ossy last time I passed. There used to be a few on Henry St Church ouside the Pioneer Club- they may still be there.

cashman 13-11-2007 22:56

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 493293)
Are the ones at Asda still there?

they were on sat gayle, we had just got back, so had the misfortune to visit asda.;)

blazey 13-11-2007 23:08

Re: council recycling
 
In Lancaster, the recycling scheme is really good. We have 3 boxes: 1 for paper and tins, 1 for cardboard and glass (not broken/smashed) and 1 for plastics (not all plastics though).

If you want a compost bin then you can also request one, and pretty much everything you use can be recycled. The only thing we have to throw away in our household is the plastic trays from meat and such, because I think that the type of plastic is hard to distinguish so its hard for them to seperate.

They come and collect it all one a fortnight like they do in hyndburn, except I think its much more efficient with the box scheme rather than the sacks. The boxes are colour coded: 2 yellows and 1 red. The red is for plastic and the yellows for the 2 groups of other stuff.

I think the only problem some people may have with this scheme is if they live in small houses or flats with no garden or yard to put the boxes in, and it gets a bit of a pain keeping 3 large boxes in your house full of rubbish.


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