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suzster 15-12-2007 13:58

Police Pay Scales
 
I have been reading the news lately about the Police pay issues so I thought I would take a look at how much they actually earn: -

2006/7 Pay Scales

PC - £23,454 to £32,985 (depending on years of service)
Sergeant - £32,985 to £37,071 (depending on years of service)
Inspector - £42,264 to £45,843 (depending on years of service)

Is it worth the argument over a few hundred pounds or is the government right?

Does the government think that they get paid enough anyway, do you?

Suz x.

cashman 15-12-2007 14:22

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as the police have NO right to strike, i think the government has shown great arrogance, by not implementing the 2.5% that the INDEPENDANT body said they should be awarded.

MargaretR 15-12-2007 14:35

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Any government that loses the support of the police has taken the first step towards their own downfall.
If there are anti government demos for any reason, the police will take a 'softly softly' approach, which will be the green light for more demos, and stir up anti government feelings.
To illustrate the contrast - Maggie Thatcher treated the police right and they pulled out all the stops for her during the miners strike and the poll tax riots.

This pay mess is yet another crass error by the Brown crew - their days are numbered ----sad -- because I am a socialist :(

cashman 15-12-2007 14:46

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 504045)
Any government that loses the support of the police has taken the first step towards their own downfall.

This pay mess is yet another crass error by the Brown crew - their days are numbered ----sad -- because I am a socialist :(

exactly why i am brassed off.:(

Mick 15-12-2007 15:40

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Is that the pay scale for up here in the north or down in London ?

suzster 15-12-2007 23:20

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They're a bit more in London.

Suz x.

mani 16-12-2007 03:34

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i think they get paid 3K more which is the london living allowance...

thing is they're not exactly out on the dogs so to speak - its a good wage. tahts why they get so much application when they recruit.

but if it comes to public opinion and they actually realised how much they get i dont think many people wud support them as much as say if the nurses went on strike or the firemen.

i think both those are much more respected than the police but i guess they want a piece of the speeding camera's wages too

Acrylic-bob 16-12-2007 07:03

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I do not think that the police should be allowed to strike, any more than the army should be allowed to strike. How much more are we to be expected to pay for these institutionalised half-wits to sit around in squad cars with speed cameras all day?

I wonder whether the family of Reece Jones or Jesse James would agree that the police are unerpaid?

When this row first surfaced the other day, a woman emailed BBC Breakfast to welcome the police to the real world, where employees do not always get the sort of pay they either deserve or which has been agreed.

Neil 16-12-2007 07:33

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While on this topic then does anyone have the pay scales for nurses and fire fighters, it would be nice to compare them all?

WillowTheWhisp 16-12-2007 07:44

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 504295)

When this row first surfaced the other day, a woman emailed BBC Breakfast to welcome the police to the real world, where employees do not always get the sort of pay they either deserve or which has been agreed.

Good for her.

lettie 16-12-2007 08:10

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 504297)
While on this topic then does anyone have the pay scales for nurses and fire fighters, it would be nice to compare them all?

I can get a current nurses one from work, it will include the payrise but won't take into account pensions and other benefits. A newly qualified nurse (with a degree after 3 years training) will not earn what a police officer will after their training, which is significantly less.

Ber999T 16-12-2007 13:56

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Not sure about Fire Fighters but know I'm on less than £20k before any increments for working 24/7 rota.

cashman 16-12-2007 14:01

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way i see it, its not about which sector of the workforce is on whatever, its about a principle, something which many these days,would not recognise if it slapped em in the kisser.:rolleyes: i have no particular love for the police, but i believe independant reviews should be sacrosanct.

Ber999T 16-12-2007 14:20

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Should have looked at recent payslip now just over £20k but I have been on Ambulance Service for 20 years. Top of Band 4 under NHS Agenda for Change paypoints (didn't get back in time to edit other post)

WillowTheWhisp 16-12-2007 15:09

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If it's about going back on a previously agreed agreement then I can see that they have a point - but still don't feel that they should strike over it.

cashman 16-12-2007 15:46

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 504389)
If it's about going back on a previously agreed agreement then I can see that they have a point - but still don't feel that they should strike over it.

i agree they should not be able to strike, what i am disgusted about, is the stance by a government that i have supported all my life.:(

mani 16-12-2007 16:32

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i think the police will play the whole oh our work is so much harder now than it used to b with all the terrorism etc but they fail to mention with all the cso's coming on baord how many are off the beat so to speak as it is...

the dvla were doin clampin a few weeks back and i found it funny that with every police man there there was two cso's walkin with them giving the impression there was 3 police officers as u cudnt read the cso letterin on his top easily

cashman 16-12-2007 16:36

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its nothing to do with that or anything Mani- its about a PRINCIPLE.:rolleyes:

suzster 16-12-2007 17:00

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The fire service pay scales are at Fire Service Pay Scales

£20,396 to £27,185 for a fireman.

The nurses scales are available but are much harder to work out. I had no idea that there were so many different types of nurses!

Suz x.

Bonnyboy 16-12-2007 18:50

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I think it’s a principal thing. As I understand it, the Police Federation and the Government failed to agree on the pay deal and so went to arbitration to in order to resolve the issue. The arbitration board recommended a 2.5% award the government accepted this. By not backdating the pay rise then the rise no longer stands to be 2.5% over the period. The Government has reneged on the deal as far as I can see. Apparently it’s not in the interests of the country to pay the 30million pounds or so in the current economic climate.

Strange that they can award asylum seekers a similar amount to return to their native lands to set up a business enterprise. :mad:

cashman 16-12-2007 23:04

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 504480)
I think it’s a principal thing. As I understand it, the Police Federation and the Government failed to agree on the pay deal and so went to arbitration to in order to resolve the issue. The arbitration board recommended a 2.5% award the government accepted this. By not backdating the pay rise then the rise no longer stands to be 2.5% over the period. The Government has reneged on the deal as far as I can see. Apparently it’s not in the interests of the country to pay the 30million pounds or so in the current economic climate.

Strange that they can award asylum seekers a similar amount to return to their native lands to set up a business enterprise. :mad:

ah somebody that understands the issue,;) karma sent lol

y

andrewb 17-12-2007 00:11

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Pumping more money internally leads to higher inflation. I'm with Gordon, the economy comes first because with higher inflation theres no point having a higher wage!

If he just gives in, everyone else will think they can get the same rises.

Neil 17-12-2007 07:20

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Originally Posted by suzster (Post 504439)
The fire service pay scales are at Fire Service Pay Scales

£20,396 to £27,185 for a fireman.

Suz x.

It looked like £20,396 to almost £52k to me depending on what level.

Neil 17-12-2007 07:29

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 504480)
I think it’s a principal thing........The Government has reneged on the deal as far as I can see. Apparently it’s not in the interests of the country to pay the 30million pounds or so in the current economic climate.

That's life for us in the private sector I am afraid, it happens all the time when companies go back on 3 year pay deals etc. Most companies are trying to cut cost and improve efficiency every year. The only difference is if the Police was a private company in that position they would go bust. Public sector workers get pay rises by increasing taxes or reducing services elsewhere.
When do we ever see them improving efficiency? Have you tried to phone the Police recently, you can't even phone Accy Police station and talk to someone who actually knows where you live any more. I spoke to Greenbank last night and she did not even know who my CBM was when I asked for him by name. Hospitals, I had to wait ver an hour for my lads appointment, the time 9.20am. The following week we were seen 45 minutes late for an 8.45am appointment How can they be that late at that time, easy answer for you, the Doctor we were waiting to see did not stroll into the department until almost 10 past 9.

Also when you are looking at the above wages don't forget the benefits of excellent pensions, holiday, sick pay schemes etc.

WillowTheWhisp 17-12-2007 08:10

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Maybe the doctor who strolled in at 10 past 9 had been called away to an emergency prior to that?

Sorry, this is another thread wander but I know people waiting in A&E also sometimes don't realise that the people who treat them also get called away to emergencies who arrive by ambulance and don't pass through the waiting area.

Back on the subject of Police Pay - I'm presuming that when this was all looked into by the independent arbitration that the Government had chance to put forward its case for being too skint to pay out and yet the final deal was arrived at. That should have been it.


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