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quick question people

does anyone think that the above statement is racist??? :confused:

some ppl dont celebrate christmas adn some do - how is that racist??

thanks for the negative karma B.R. :)

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i dont see anything racist not all people like xmas let alone celebrate it for many reasons least of all race or culture :confused:

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It strikes me as barely literate and largely inchoherant, but that is not a punishable offence as far as I am aware, I fail to see where the racist element is though.

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Ignore them mate.
I have stated on here several times that I don't believe in God but I don't get negative karma from the God botherers on here.
I think its a bit gay that men like to watch 22 hairy legged blokes in shorts running around a football field kicking a bag of wind about as well but that has not given me negative, until now probably :rolleyes::D

Maybe the karma was given for a different racist reason :eek:

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If that's racist then I'm a pink elephant.

I'm a Christian but not even offended by the word "Crimbo". I know Pagans who celebrate "Yule" at this time of year but I end up wishing everybody a Merry Christmas and if that offends them then they are too thin skinned that's all I can say.

Completely baffled as to why you lost karma Mani. Don't let the racist who did it get you down.

BTW I agree with you about football to an extent Neil, although I do feel chuffed when Stanley win, I couldn't sit there freezing to death watching them do it. As a "God botherer" (yep, He probably feels very bothered by me at times!) I don't get the 'ump at the atheists amongst us either - crikey most of the atheists I know celebrate Christmas too though! :D

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I do hope you are not using the word atheist when referring to me :rolleyes::D

I said above that I don't believe in God, I did not say I don't believe he exist (it is doubtful though). I just don't believe in Him if he exists or not, if you know what I mean.

As far as Stanley go, yes I like it when our local team win, I would always like or local sports people to do well, if they are indeed local but that is another topic.
How can the England football team have a foreigner at the reigns? :confused:

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Probably not no. I don't know if there is a God or not. I am not really bothered either way, as I have stated before if there is one I don't think He is the kind of person I want to associate myself with. I do however think that Christian values are a good way to live. As in treating people correctly etc. I can't help thinking if there is a God then He is not a very Christian person himself. How do you sit back and watch people suffer without trying to help. That was not the Christian way I was taught in school.

Now if someone could show me some documented and provable examples, of some good things He has done in the last couple of hundred years maybe I might see Him in a different light.

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there is no documented/provable stuff good or bad ever, yet i believe, always will, and you never will,if thats what you require.but it dont make you bad nor me good, its just the way of it.as for manis question, dickheads can make many things racist,to suit their warped thinking.ignore it mate, a plank aint just a lump of wood.;):D

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i dont find that in the slightest racist, i think its nice that you are helping us find the things that will make our children happy... helping us to find gifts is helping us to celebrate, why would that be racist??

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i do for u ppl celebrating ur crimbo...



yes i do find this racist and that is why i left you negative karma and signed it...:rolleyes:

you people celebrating your christmas !!!! hmmmm :confused:....if the shoe woulda been on t'other foot it would have been perceived so !!!

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Willow yesterday
http://www.newlow.org/JPGS/Roadside/PinkElephant.jpg

But seriously mani ignore him he always tries to moan and then bite when people dont agree with him.

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It isn't racist in my opinion, but you deserve negative karma for butchering the written word. :D

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hmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!!

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I dont bite BR lad i stick to my opinion and like winding up some people on here that are far to easy to get at lol

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:rofl38:.............

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A more recent photo of willow then
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/282...2857bGif_w.png

Oh and by the way BR it wasnt me who gave you karma but thanks for my bad karma. while i didnt agree with you i didnt think it needed bad karma but obviously you did.

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look at the end of the day,my opinion to which i am entitled to,is, i found the statement offensive, as i do his avatar, i gave bad karma and signed it,which if im not mistaken is allowed,or the function would not be active on a thread, if people dont like it then tough sh1t,get over it ffs....karma isn't life or death for heavens sake...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Pot like the black calling kettle the.

Arrange the above words into a well-known phrase or proverb.

It's incoherent, Acrylic-bob.

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I'm no theologian but isn't that a subject open to debate?:confused:

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ok lets just focus on one small point shall we.

YOU find his avator offensive? I mean does it REALLY offend you? If it does then my god you really need to get a life, learn how to take a joke and see that its a picture and nothing more. Its not in your face calling you rude names, its not painted on your house or car (who knows it might actually) and its nothing you cant get rid of by choosing to add him to your ignore list.

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I don't think it's racist and to be honest don't understand how someone could ask the question in the first place.

Which brings me nicely onto another matter. My Aunt visited last night (she's in her 70's) from Nottinghamshire and attached to her handbag was an old marmalade jar style knitted gollywog. And you know what the first thing that came into my mind? I hope that she doesnt offend anyone with it. She wouldn't offend anyone, she never has and never would.

Is having a knitted gollywog attached to your handbag at a ripe old age racist?

Suz x.

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My mum as one in the car window and was stopped by police for racial hatred twice. So i went and put one in my car too.

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i think there was a small association with racism but back in the 80's but its never been bought back for that reason either. its nostalgia ruined for alot of people.

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mani, out of interest and i hope you dont mind me asking.... what religion are you?

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not in the slightest racist mate. you stated that some of us celebrate our christmas. nowt racist there. you believe in something different. that is equally fine.

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Don't know ... didn't understand a word of it ... some sort of code, maybe:confused: If you put a couple of "eh"s into it, a Canadian might understand it:D

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How can the statement be racist when it doesn't even refer to anyone's race? Those who don't celebrate Christmas, follow this course of action because of their religion, not because of their race. Those who do celebrate Christmas come from many different races and many different countries. Don't see where race comes into it. :confused:

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Isn't that something Yoda said in "The Empire Strikes for Better Pay"? :rolleyes: Talking of "kettle" isn't this something like a storm in a tea cup?:confused: I think everyone has a grasp of what racism is; when people get super sensitive about it, it tends to lose its meaning, and racism is seen in the most innocuous and innocent of statements. Rather than waste time and energy nit picking and twisting innocent statements into rascist slurs, people should address the real problems. And there are no shortage of those.

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ema - i'm muslim. and a techno-freak. :D

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Is it? What does being a Christian mean to you? To me it means accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour and being grateful for his atonement for my sins. I may try hard not to do things wrong in my life but as hard as I try I still fail so I know I need him.

Sometimes I lose my patience with people and get ratty. That's one of my worst failings. Another one is lack of patience. I'd be impossible to live with if I didn't have Jesus Christ. He is the pivot of my life. I'm not a theologian either. I'm just a human being who knows that without him my life would have no purpose or direction.

When my first husband died I don't think I would have survived if I hadn't had that close relationship with my Saviour to put everything into perspective. I've known people who have studied the Bible and religion backwards, forwards, upside down and inside out and yet have no personal relationship at all with the Saviour. I know people who go to church on Sundays just because it's the done thing and more like a social club to them but they have no personal relationship with the Saviour.

I've often said to other people in PMs on here that I don't like to make posts which sound like I'm preaching because I respect that others don't want to know and don't share my beliefs but I hope people will forgive me for wanting to clarify this point.

Being a Christian isn't about being a perfect person, it's about knowing that you are an imperfect person and need Jesus Christ in your life.

Mimi got a Christmas card from one of the children where she does her work placement and it wished her a Merry Christmas and Happy Eid. Now that I like. :)

There's absolutely nothing racist in acknowledging someone's religion to be different to your own.

As a matter of fact I have a muslim friend who is Accrington born and bred and the same race as me and another one who is Irish which is practically the same as I have Irish roots too ;)

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Willow , I was in no way attempting to cast aspersions upon you or to denigrate your beliefs. It's just that I've always been taught or led to believe that Mormons or members of The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints are not Christians.

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i am Roman Catholic and i believe that they are seperate people..... Father, Son and Holy spirit...

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Islam and christianity have alot of similarities, in Re classes alot of the muslim children knew the bible stories.. the main difference is that we see Jesus and the messiah and they see him as another prophet.. plse feel free to correct me if i am wrong...

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I don't think that Mani's post was in any way racist. He was only saying that he had found some Nintendos which may interest people who celebrate Christmas and are therefore on the lookout for Christmas presents.:confused:

That's not racist.

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But the Nintendo's on the link were stated as being White. Surely they should not have had the colour of them in the link :D:D

( Where's the tongue in cheek smiley ? )

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Racist DS ;)

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Them an'all. :D

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oh willow i do love you ya know, you crack me up, i love the way you see different sides to everything and sit on the fence, its wonderful :D

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Fence? What fence? I thought I was pretty specific about what I believe. :p

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lol i'm talking in general, not just on this thread

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hahahahahaha SOWWY :( ;)

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ema - totally right

in islam there's slight differences to the whole jesus story but yeah we believe he's a prophet not the son of god

but the whole resurrection from the cross we dont believe in.

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I don't think that it is a matter of belief, rather it is faith. There is a vast difference between the two. One can have faith, for example, in the exisistence of a great benevolent donut which controls our lives and be counted as more or less sane, though a little eccentric. But to say you believe in it, in the strictest sense, is more than a little crazy. In English, no two words or ways of expression can be considered identical. For example, to say "I am happy" is not the same as "I am not unhappy."

But after spending two hours shovelling snow out of my driveway, I may just be getting a little too philosophical:D Three foot snow drifts will do that to you.:eek:

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:(

we dont have any snow

let alone snow 3 ft deep

i'd b happy with snow 3 inches deep

england can come to a standstill again!

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Think the point Blackburn Raver was trying to make was quite a valid one. Mani said "i do for u ppl celebrating ur crimbo", if we had said "You people celebrating your Eid" would we not have been jumped on from a great height?? Not saying Mani was being anything but helpful but "boot and other foot" comes to mind!!

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my point EXACTLY....thanks ;)

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why on earth would anyone be offended by that?!

the ppl who accuse this of being anti-PC are doin just that

this is just like the people who say dont put up christmas lights as it'll offend the non-christians but fail to ask a single non-christian if the lights offend them!

thats nothing but plain assumption!

your just assuming if you would say that you would offend someone

obviously u refer a collective of people regardless of race religion etc as people. its not as if u've referred us to as ragheads, p***s etc

so if for example flights to saudi had ran dry and someone posted on here oh btw there's 4 seats available on the BA flight from bham airport this is for you people celebrating your eid... i'd thanks mate its what i was after or ooooooh i know someone who cud do with that or at least excellant i dont need a seat but hey they looked. why would i be offended?

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But aren't we trying to tell Blackburn Raver that he is wrong in what he finds offensive? The comment he made to Mani was a karma one which by the rules of the forum he is allowed to do. Surely he is entitled to free speech as much as anybody else!!

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Still don't understand why this is racist. Firstly, it's concerned with religion, not race and, secondly, he didn't say anything offensive anyway. If he'd said "you infidels celebrating your Christmas" I could've understood it, but calling people "people" seems pretty non-controversial to me!

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Maybe racism is in the eyes of the beholder:confused:

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Same topic, different subject;

Inter Milan football strip 'offends Muslims' - Telegraph

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Hmmmmmmmmm

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its responses to innocuous comments that can make racism i think.:rolleyes:

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maybe i shud've used the whole infidels thing

man why didnt i think of that!!

of course the turkish lawyer was present as the knights templar rode past and lay slain all in their path. it is almost as bad as watching Fenerbahçe or burnley....

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When Scotland and N Ireland get independance what will they think then! (our flag)
Facts about England

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What the heck is Harry Potter doing featuring so prominently on that link? Sheesh! Priorities in a twist or what?

Maybe we'll have to come up with an alternative flag in order to appear less infidelish ;)

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ASSUMPTIONS eh !!!

so why do you assume i am a racist just because i left negative karma :confused::confused:...

you know some people really pi$$ me off with their im better than you attitude !!!! :mad::mad:....

my FINAL say on this matter ta ta

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I'm not better than anyone else and I certainly don't assume that I am. In fact I know that I fall far short of being the sort of person I'd like to be and I also know there are people on here far cleverer than me and who are far better at explaining things than I am.

However, you asked a question and so I shall try to answer it, as best I can.

Why did I assume that the person who left Mani negative karma was racist? Well, it was because they (which turned out to be you) assumed a racist slur in Mani's post where non was intended, saw an innocent post as a racist insult, saw a helpful AccyWebber as an anti-Christian aggressor. That seemed pretty racist to me in much the same way as people who accuse others of being racist when they say "A white teenager." or "An Asian teenager". There is nothing racist at all in describing the ethnic origins of someone. Racism comes into it when one race is deemed to be inferior or superior to another. The distinction is made in the mind of the beholder, therefore if a person sees 'racism' where none was intended and where none is apparent to the majority then the distinction of inferiority or superiority (ie racism) is in the eyes of the beholder, who is therefore the only actual racist in the equation.

I know I haven't explained that as clearly as I would have liked to do but it's difficult. I'm sure somebody else could make a better job of it than me.

I don't know if you can remember but some time ago there was a thread on here about racism and I made a post along the lines of the fact that I have friends of different races and have to stop and actively think about it before I could think what races my friends are because to me first and foremost they are all just human beings. Somebody pounced on that and accused me of being racist and of having to remind myself that black people are human!:D

Mani was helping us Christmas celebrating type people by finding links to some of the presents that people found hard to track down. He referred to 'you people and your Crimbo' in much the same way as I could refer to 'you Stanley supporters and your football' - no racism in the latter but racism was assumed in the former because Mani is Asian and Muslim. If he had been white and Pagan would the post have been racist? It is also worth remembering that Christianity is a religion, not a race and that Christians come from all racial backgrounds, including Asian - and the same goes for Islam. There are white Anglo-Saxon Muslims too.

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Think about it. 1066 and all that. Henry V was (I think) the first English king to do most of his royal business (no bathroom or throne jokes please) in English ... English kings claimed the throne of France up until the 19 th century. As an aside, Frederick the Great introduced a new medal for bravery for Prussian soldiers ... he called it the Pour le Merite.

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Otherwise known as the Blue Max. ;)

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well it never crossed my mind that you were being racist/or not, just thought you were being dumb.:p

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this thing with the country's motto

how many ppl actually knew that we even had one... i wud've thought it was god save the queen or maybe for queen (king) and country

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well heres one that didn't have a clue.:D

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So who's being the racist in this story???????

As a saying goes "People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

I cant see anything wrong with the thread start as to some of the comments off other members GROW UP!!!!!

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I've seen it in courtrooms but must admit that it never actually dawned on me that it was the country's motto.

I know Scotland has a Latin one. - "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" which roughly translates to "If you hit me I'll thump ye back!" ;)

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firstly id like to see a quote from me that states your first point above !!!

secondly your post NOT mine brought religion into the matter....

now i didnt want to post again as i said in (what i thought was) my last post on the matter but i thought i had to as words were being put into my mouth (so to speak):mad::mad::mad:

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Nice translation ... I prefer "Don't f*** with me!" Has a better ring to it than "No one treats me with impunity.":)

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