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Neil 27-12-2007 23:36

This is why we have traffic laws
 
This is tragic Quad bike girl is killed
How can the parents of children be so stupid and negligent?
It must be even worse losing a child when it is your own fault.
What about the poor driver who hit and killed this 7 year old?
Should the parents be prosecuted for this stupid act? Yes I know they are grieving for their loss but it is their fault as sure as they had hit her themselves.

WillowTheWhisp 27-12-2007 23:39

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The child should never have been on the road.

Neil 27-12-2007 23:53

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 508552)
The child should never have been on the road.

They were lucky both kids were not killed. I like how the women in the parents cat said "they both had their lights on", like it made it ok for them to be on the road.

I think it is terrible that the other driver was arrested, they should not have left the scene though as that is an offence as well.

WillowTheWhisp 27-12-2007 23:57

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both kids? Were there 2? I see only one mentioned in the link and don't see anything about the driver leaving the scene. Is there more of the story somewhere?

mani 28-12-2007 00:05

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The girl and her brother were both riding their new bikes behind their father's Range Rover when the accident occurred.
now come on if this doesnt say call social services what does?!

why is it so hard for people to use common sense instead of thier wallet?

yeah the woman was probably drunk but u dont expect 7 yr olds to b driving around quads made for adults...

kathleen_firth 28-12-2007 00:13

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i dnt think the parents should be prosecuted as i think they have probably learnt there lesson. but they should be punished for it as its not just them suffering as you say, think about the driver of the car....

i just cant beleve how stupid the parents are for letting her drive it in public

shame on them... whoever they are

Neil 28-12-2007 00:49

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Originally Posted by kathleen_firth (Post 508562)
i dnt think the parents should be prosecuted as i think they have probably learnt there lesson. but they should be punished for it as its not just them suffering as you say, think about the driver of the car....

So thats a no they should not but yes they should then :confused:

Neil 28-12-2007 00:51

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 508556)
both kids? Were there 2? I see only one mentioned in the link and don't see anything about the driver leaving the scene. Is there more of the story somewhere?

Sorry I read the story in fridays Sun, page 13, before finding the link, the paper says the girl was called Lizzie(7) and her brother Jack(10).

kathleen_firth 28-12-2007 01:24

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 508564)
So thats a no they should not but yes they should then :confused:


yer im confused myself but also not at the same time lol :Banane13::Banane25:

i undertand what i mean

they are greaving aswell thats all im saying
but they are to blame

kathleen_firth 28-12-2007 01:25

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 508567)
Sorry I read the story in fridays Sun, page 13, before finding the link, the paper says the girl was called Lizzie(7) and her brother Jack(10).

i thought there was a just a girl... so the boy is fine then i take it.

cashman 28-12-2007 09:45

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greiving or not, this to me is wilful neglect, people under 16 are not allowed on the roads, its a case of ive got money my kids can. sorry if it razzes people off but YES they should be prosecuted.:(

lancsdave 28-12-2007 09:49

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Originally Posted by mani (Post 508561)
yeah the woman was probably drunk but u dont expect 7 yr olds to b driving around quads made for adults...

Although the police haven't confirmed it yet, and yes you have to ask what the hell the parents were thinking, BUT, it's a sad way to find another lunatic who drinks & drives :mad:

WillowTheWhisp 28-12-2007 15:36

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Here's the BBC link which gives more details of the story.

blazey 28-12-2007 17:15

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 508618)
greiving or not, this to me is wilful neglect, people under 16 are not allowed on the roads, its a case of ive got money my kids can. sorry if it razzes people off but YES they should be prosecuted.:(

Its not a case of an age limit on the roads, children can ride bicycles on the road after all, its just the fact that quad bikes shouldn't be on the road in general without a licence, and presumably a 7yr old doesnt have a license.

I imagine that the parents would only be given a suspended sentence anyway, but the driver of the car still should be punished for her drink driving, which is no less of a crime, but the manslaughter should probably get a similar suspended sentence rather than a conviction, after all, how could she be expected, under the influence of alcohol or not, to know a 7yr old was going to be on the road on a quad bike! It was just as likely to lead to an accident regardless of her state.

panther 28-12-2007 17:24

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This happened at 7.00pm!
no 7 yr old should have been on the quad bike, everyone knows they are dangerous, what on earth were the parents thinking about? especially in the dark!
as for the woman who crashed into the kid then if she was drinking she does need to be charged, and like cashman says so should the parents for letting a kid on one of these dangerous bikes

Neil 28-12-2007 18:04

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 508706)
Here's the BBC link which gives more details of the story.

From the reading the paper it sound like the girl was overtaking her parents when she was hit. If that is true she would have been head on with the oncomming Range Rover.

emamum 28-12-2007 18:06

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i think all the adults concerned were in the wrong... the driver shouldnt have been drinking and the children shouldnt have been on the road...

cashman 28-12-2007 18:28

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 508760)
Its not a case of an age limit on the roads, children can ride bicycles on the road after all, its just the fact that quad bikes shouldn't be on the road in general without a licence, and presumably a 7yr old doesnt have a license.

I imagine that the parents would only be given a suspended sentence anyway, but the driver of the car still should be punished for her drink driving, which is no less of a crime, but the manslaughter should probably get a similar suspended sentence rather than a conviction, after all, how could she be expected, under the influence of alcohol or not, to know a 7yr old was going to be on the road on a quad bike! It was just as likely to lead to an accident regardless of her state.

i was meaning motorised vehicles,should have put it,could never expect you to grasp that:rolleyes: regardless of what you imagine the parents should get,they should be prosecuted,along with the driver.

derekgas 28-12-2007 20:51

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There is far too much of this about in different guises, as Blazey says, children are allowed on the road on a bicycle, I have a 7 year old and would not allow him anywhere near the road on a bike, let alone follow me in the car on a quad, quads are powerful and I doubt many 7 year (or even 10 year) olds could handle one, I see quite a few kids on motorized machines, improperly attired, kids in cars without seat belts or child seats, kids left wandering down the street behind the parents on main roads, etc etc, and in my opinion, that is neglect and should be punishable by prosecution. Killing a person whilst driving drunk, should carry a mandatory life sentence. Yes, I am old school, and would willingly allow flogging and hanging, the law is way too soft.

emamum 28-12-2007 20:55

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 508900)
There is far too much of this about in different guises, as Blazey says, children are allowed on the road on a bicycle, I have a 7 year old and would not allow him anywhere near the road on a bike, let alone follow me in the car on a quad, quads are powerful and I doubt many 7 year (or even 10 year) olds could handle one, I see quite a few kids on motorized machines, improperly attired, kids in cars without seat belts or child seats, kids left wandering down the street behind the parents on main roads, etc etc, and in my opinion, that is neglect and should be punishable by prosecution. Killing a person whilst driving drunk, should carry a mandatory life sentence. Yes, I am old school, and would willingly allow flogging and hanging, the law is way too soft.

I am stuck in the middle in regards to flogging and hanging.... i think the law is pretty crappy and they get things wrong too often but if it was with out a doubt that the person had done the crime, murder for example then i would agree......erm, that make sense?

derekgas 28-12-2007 20:58

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 508902)
I am stuck in the middle in regards to flogging and hanging.... i think the law is pretty crappy and they get things wrong too often but if it was with out a doubt that the person had done the crime, murder for example then i would agree......erm, that make sense?

It makes perfect sense, with dna profiles, the old excuse that the wrong people get hanged is out the window for me, nice to see one of the 'youngsters' even half agreeing with this, makes a nice change. :eek:

WillowTheWhisp 28-12-2007 23:47

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Check this link. The other driver was tested for drink driving but the test was NEGATIVE and she was released. She was not a hit and run driver either. She did stop but the father told her to go home as the girl wasn't badly hurt, so she left. The father then TOOK THE CHILD HOME and didn't even take her to hospital until she took a turn for the worse! How many parents would do that? If your child had an accident wouldn't you immediately want to have them checked over?

Bonnyboy 28-12-2007 23:57

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Nothing's ever as clearcut as originally seems.

entwisi 28-12-2007 23:59

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massive difference Willow

As usual sensationiatistic reportage makes teh headlines

MargaretR 29-12-2007 00:00

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Father was probably selfishly concerned that he would have to explain HOW the injuries occured.

Neil 29-12-2007 00:10

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 509026)
The father then TOOK THE CHILD HOME and didn't even take her to hospital until she took a turn for the worse! How many parents would do that? If your child had an accident wouldn't you immediately want to have them checked over?

One who was trying to cover up allowing his kids to ride quad bikes on the road in the dark while following them home :mad:

cashman 29-12-2007 00:15

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hope now those who think he should not be prosecuted re-evaluate.:rolleyes:

Tombraider 29-12-2007 03:17

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Sod protecting the parents. They didnt protect their little girl by allowing her to go out on the roads on this quad. They were certainly selfish enough to just think about themselves too instead of getting medical attention and making sure the girl had no injuries, however minor they might have seemed at the time.

derekgas 29-12-2007 09:48

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 509043)
hope now those who think he should not be prosecuted re-evaluate.:rolleyes:

I have, I said he should be prosecuted, I now think he should be flogged, then prosecuted!

WillowTheWhisp 29-12-2007 10:05

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According to the paper this morning it is highly likely that he will be prosecuted.

As for breathalising the other driver - isn't that normal procedure in cases of a fatal accident? Good job she didn't pour herself a stiff drink when she got home to calm down after the shock.

Neil 29-12-2007 16:24

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 509102)
As for breathalising the other driver - isn't that normal procedure in cases of a fatal accident? Good job she didn't pour herself a stiff drink when she got home to calm down after the shock.

I think they do it after many accidents, I was breathalised years ago after I had an argument with someones garden wall :D


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