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Boy, One, Dies In Dog Attack In Wakefield, West Yorkshire - Yahoo! News UK |
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As usual the pet is put down and all because too many people are not responsible enough to have children and/or pets. I wouldn't mind knowing why a 1 year old is in a yard with a dog that is not living at the same property, and where were the parents and dog owners?
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apparantly the little lads cousin was holding him and as soon as the lad opened the back door the dog snatched the tot off him and mauled him.
the dog was a family pet, a two and a half year old female Rottweiler, which the family had owned for about six months. Although the dog lived in the yard of the premises, it had interacted with members of the family including children, and another dog and cat at the house, and had showed no previous signs of any aggression. it just goes to show a dog can turn at any time very tragic |
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As a responsible dog owner myself it sickens me to read such tragic stories like this..not only tragic for the family but also the dog.. I saw this on the news earlier today. isn't it funny that they are instantly jumping to the "dangerous dogs"debate rather than the 1 year old, a 6 year old and a 7 year old were all being "looked after" by their 16 year old auntie..... who was upstairs at the time of the attack!!!!! The statement that the one year old was "snatched from the 7 year olds arms" by the dog has come from the 7 year old who was the only one there at the time! Death puts spotlight on dog laws The fatal attack on a one-year-old boy by a pet rottweiler comes almost exactly a year after five-year-old Ellie Lawrenson was killed by her uncle's dog. It is certain to reignite the debate about how to deal with dangerous dogs and the legisation covering them - which was introduced after a series of attacks and has been widely criticised as rushed and ineffective. Indeed, the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 was cited in a BBC Radio 4 poll last January of laws the public would most like to see revoked. It bans the breeding, sale or exchange of four kinds of dogs: pit bull terriers, Japanese tosas, the dogo Argentinos and the fila brasileiros. Cross-breeds of these are also covered by the law. The RSPCA says it is wrong to "criminalise" individual breeds of dog, but this latest death will put rottweilers firmly in the spotlight - particularly coming just a fortnight after the amputation of kennel worker Mandy Peynado's arm after she was mauled by a rottweiler at Knightwood Kennels, near Salisbury, Wiltshire. Chris Window, from the Rottweiler Club, said there were tens of thousands of rottweilers in the UK and it was very uncommon for attacks to take place. Banned dog "The vast majority of rottweilers never get involved in any incidents," he said. But Mr Window said the rottweiler is "a very strong dog" and added: "When these incidents do happen the injuries sustained are quite significant." And he stressed that young children should never be left alone with any breed of dog. I own what could be described as powerful dogs,but there again no child would be left alone around mine,although i trust mine implicitly i as a responsible owner would never allow it to happen.. |
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there was a story a few months ago with two jack russels attacking a small child.... why didnt this make the front cover of the paper it only seems to be big dogs that do.... it annoys me soooooooooooo much.
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It's not the dogs. It's the dog owners.
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iv always said this....if that dog is treated badly then it will eventually turn and then god help the person whos in the way!
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just a shame its usually a child or baby |
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probably because they are less of a threat ...get the weakest?
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Good training for both the dog and the owner should be compulsory anyone not willing to submit to the time or expense of learning to control and be watchful of this potential killer should be banned from keeping them. I loved my dogs and they all lived to a very old age but I would never, ever, leave them alone with children no matter how much I thought I could trust them, it only needs a few seconds of a toddler trying to stick his fingers in the dogs eye, (because the child knows no better), for the animal to show what is under the thin veneer of domesticity! :( |
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what about pit bulls though...is it the owners or the temprement of the dog
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The Wolfman documentary was repeated on tv last night
The Wolfman - New Documentary Series on FIVE, Friday May 18 | Documentary | News | Throng All dogs are descendants of wolves, and the programme gave remarkable insight into dog behaviour. All creatures resort to basic instincts when stressed. We need to understand the way our animals think -- sadly few pet owners take the trouble to find out ps - just read there in the comments, that it is on Youtube listed as ' shaun ellis - wolfman ' , in 6 parts |
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now she wants one!! ok back to topic............. |
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Responsible ownership will help prevent these incidents happening they are not accidents they are mishaps that could often have been prevented with a little forethought and care for all those involved be they human or animal. |
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we can argue deed not breed but the odds are stacking up against Rotties aren't they...what's the answer, how do you ensure responsible homes and good temperments? Edited after a quick search on the BBC news site brings up the following Rottweiler attacks, I stopped looking once I got to 15 months ago. 27/12/2007 1 year old boy killed by relatives rottie 18/12/2007 man charged after rottie attacked and bit another dog several times 14/12/2007 kennel worker loses one arm and may need other amputated after rottie attack 22/08/2007 6 year old girl needs plastic surgery after being mauled by two rotties 28/06/2007 man charged after 2 rotties attack and bite pony 13/03/2007 teenager bitten on hand and leg after being attacked by a rottie while walking in the park 17/01/2007 9 year old boy in hospital after 3 rotties chase him into his own home and attack him 27/09/2006 12 year old girl mauled by rottie in park, needs 30 stitches 24/09/2006 5 month old baby killed by 2 rottweilers Must say the animal incidents are not relevant at all, as all dogs are capable of fighting or mauling livestock as they are predators. Unfortunately most of the reported attacks on children have been entirely due to human lack of supervision, often with dogs known to be aggressive or unused to children at homes of friends or relatives, not in the child's own home. People anthropomorphise Animals to such an extent that they expect them to behave and understand things in human terms. Young children will be perceived with their fast movements and high pitched voices as prey in any dog not habituated to them, and if it is a large dog a lot of damage can occur. This is nothing to do with breed Rather human stupidity. I am sure I could find many more attacks by Jack Russells or Border Collies both with a high chase or prey drive, but these do not make headlines in the same way. I remember some years ago a baby being killed by a terrier when left alone with the baby who began to cry. The only Rotties I know are very well bred ones and they are very slow to react and behaviour ringside and on the benches is exemplary. The ones that come to our local Pet obedience classes tend to come from one good local breeder and they are some of the best natured dogs we get, as most of the rest of the various dogs come from the dogs home, and many have issues. The more stupidity around dogs I See and hear about the more I think owners should have to pass a Test before having a dog, and have a license to own, maybe in weight categories like Driving Licenses. You would have to pass a higher test to own guarding and large breeds, have passed written and practical competency tests. |
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I think that animal owners should be responsible for their animals actions. If your dog kills someone you should be treated as though you killed them yourself. How many peole would want big dogs when we start seeing dog owners in prison for their 'pets' action? |
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I bought two rotties, kept one and my son head the other, I trained mine and she was perfectly well behaved in any situation, my son unfortunately saw his as an aggressive dog, as a result, my dog never showed the slightest aggression, my sons dog used to attack other animals and never looked comfortable near people, I therefore truly believe that a pets temperament is down to the owner.
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go back 50 or so years n Alsations were the equivelent of "Devil Dogs" i was born into a home that owned one, it was the mardest dog you ever met, but to my memory mum n dad never left me alone with it. i am with all who say its down to the owners. No dog whatever breed should be left with babies,small children,etc, the fact that this poor mite was in the arms of another kid,is a differant arguement to me.:(
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seems to me the folks sticking up for these viscious breeds are probably the same who complain about young people and yobbish behaviour and then act all surprised when the police bring little Shane or Kaylie home stinking drunk and then come up with more excuses than Nuremberg :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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dogs and little young children should never ever be left alone: not matter what kind of dog it is:
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Next door has a rottweiller and they got it in March/April this year. He's a lovely dog .. he also was trained as a guard dog in a pub, he belonged to some people who lived in a pub and he was trained as their guard dog, they moved to spain and gave him to someone else who was then living in a pub but only temporary and we all got to know him he used to come into the pub and wander round and lie at your feet when we were playing pool, he was a big softie with a big bark but if the pub shut he knew then what his job was. As they were only in the pub temporary and they knew that they would have to find a home for him and one of my neighbours took him. They have a grandchild and he is not in the house when he comes to visit. Which is not often as he doesnt live round here and when they do come to visit they stop at his dads sisters - because of the dog before that he stopped here.
I think ive said this before about ours a black labrador - my niece when she was a kid and im going back to when she was about 3 or 4 could do anything with him .. even trap him under the chair lift the seat up and when he poked his head thro drop the seat down on his head .. he would have done anything for her. Any kid who tried to come in the garden when she was in it he wouldnt let anyone in mum used to have to shut him in the house. He bit once and that was when my now ex brother in law when he was drunk teased him so much he bit him as if to say now get lost and leave me alone. We still kept him and didnt have him put down till many years later. I agree you dont leave kids with dogs and more often than not that it is the dog owners fault that the dog isnt well trained, and that dogs can turn we saw it with ours. |
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i agree a child shouldnt be left alone with a dog. i have a springer spaniel had him for 10 years now but wouldnt trust him to be left alone with any of the grandaughters even though he is a big softy and never hurt anybody and been brought up with all my children. i still keep my eye on him. you just never know if they might turn on someone.
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Unfortunately , things like this will continue to happen. Seems lessons have to always be learnt the hard way and it’s the same for each generation. :psad:
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These are my two. Reg & Ronnie. If they ever sniffed at anybody wrong they would be put down. Its all down to the owner.
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No they are American Pit Bulls. As you can see in the photo I bath them in the local swiming pool. All the kids over ere love them to bits, but I would still not 100% trust them.
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Heard some bloke had two guard dogs in the south of France, they were called Brinks an Matt, dunno what that was about tho :prolleyes:
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A baby is for life, not just for Christmas.
I'm not being flippant with that remark. I don't know how true it is, but in today's Sunday Times, it said this poor child's teenage parents had been staying with friends across the street for four days, leaving the child in the care of it's grandparents, and young teenage aunts. All dogs can be dangerous, but even more dangerous is leaving your child without the proper care it deserves. While you play commuter games, get drunk, or even eat paella in a nearby, but out of sight and earshot, tapas bar. It's very sad.:( |
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There was a quote from the paternal grandfather saying something along the lines that a sixteen year old shouldn't be left looking after a baby........let me see, the mother of this baby was sixteen when she had him...but sixteen is too young to be looking after a baby, isn't it?
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I'm only going to repeat what I said in another thread some time ago. I have had dogs all my life, well trained, sociable dogs. I love dogs and I understand them and what I understand most is they are dogs.
Dogs may seem human in their habits and temperaments. They may understand "every word we say" and they may be "one of the family" but a dog is a dog. He's a pack animal and he has to have a leader. He will find his own position in the pack, and that should be at the bottom, but a very small child can't dominate him. It doesn't matter what breed the dog is, large or small. His instinct says there is someone smaller and weaker than him and, usually, that pack member needs to be protected but canine nature sometimes get it wrong and he will turn. He's not evil, unless he's been encouraged to be, he's behaving naturally. He's not a human being, he's a dog. This story is so sad, so preventable and so inevitably going to happen again. |
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I have two large dogs and hate seeing things like this so just wondering what facts they leave out in all cases no adult was present in the room for one who knows what happened in the small amount of time - did a child pick up a bone belonging to the dog etc ,..... we will never know.In the case of Ellie Lawrenson there was some talk about her uncle being a drug dealer of having drugs about the house -apparently there were going to be tests done as it was suspected that the dog may have injested (spelling?) drugs either accidentally or otherwise. Did we ever hear about the results of those tests?
It would put the situation in a whole other light and in my eyes - could be manslaughter perhaps ? can a dog be considered a weapon - bring back the dog license and alongside it a general questionnaire about basic animal welfare. ooo sorry for rant lol! |
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Do you live on a farm where the dogs have plenty of room to run, or are they kept in cramped surroundings, as in a rear yard? When you go out with them are they on leads, if they are, why, can you not trust them? To finish off, I have always kept a small dog myself. |
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dont get me wrong i am not bragging about having large dogs i am just saying that they are large and people assume that they are agressive but they are not. my eldest one i have had through thick and thin - i used to live on my own in rented accomodation.Unfortunatley being on my own i could only afford cheap rentals and that comes at a price - they are usually only in unsafe rundown high crime areas. i had a few close calls - wont go into that and an ex who scared the bejeesus out of me as he stakled me for almost a year. so i got a dog - i dont think german sherpherd size is humongous but it is enough to defend me if i needed it. Obviously i felt safer as there was someone to alert me of anything out of the ordinary. Akitas are known for only barking when there is something unusual so i opted for that breed i understand it was only chance as to whether she had that trait as she was crossed - anyway she does.I cant stand little yappy dogs after living next door to them for a while and think you might aswell have a cat for all the good they are lol! anyway the second dog i got 3years ago and was the choice of my partner w wnet for the same cross breed because hey are fabulous around children very loyal and incredibly easy to train ( with the right approach)
so that is why i have two large dogs Do i think i am big and clever when people cross the road when we are out with them? NO i do not i can honestly tell you i hate it. If you cross the road when you see large dogs on the side that you are walking on then that is not my fault - it is yours for prejudging - in fact cani just say that by doing this dogs are conditioned to believe that where they are walking is their territory and we have to constantly retrain the dogs to let them know that actually abybody can walk on the pavement- so next time - just carry on walking No i dont live on a farm, they are not cooped up in a backyard- they are house dogs and we have a more than adequate large terrest house. they have an hour or so walk in a morning and are let of the lead in there hour to hour and a half walk at night- do i trust them ? implicitally - do i trust other dogs that are off the lead ? definitely not -so at that point mine go back on the lead. such a shame for my dogs but there are so many dogs that are allowed to run around and are so out of control it scares me. I have had yorshire terriers attacking my dog going for it's throat they were off therir leads mine was on a lead of course mine tried to retaliate back and the cheeky mare that had the yorkies dared to tell me to get my dog ubder control so i suggested she put hers on a lead before i stamped on them- now can i ask ....... if you had come upon that scene and you couldnt see the lead that was on my dog would you assume it was the yorkies or my "large dog" that weere causing the problem? society had been conditioned to think the Bgger the Badder - it is not the case. sorry for long post but i just wish people wouldnt jump the gun and it isnt a rant i am just trying to explain that is all x |
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sorry about spelling - i tried to edit but was too late :(
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No i am dyslexic :D
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oh sorry lol! but i am so you have to forgive me for bad spelling - i know my house is a terraced house lol! i have to re-read thigns about three times and then get someone else to read it - so yeah -i have good dogs :D
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lol- because - i wrote it was a terrest house - ......anyway
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