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Gordon Brown has stirred up controversy by saying doctors should be allowed to remove organs from dead patients without permission.
unless people opted out of the donor register or family members objected, hospitals would be allowed to take their organs for transplants.

what are your views on this?
personally I dont agree with it, reminds me of body snatching:(
it should be up to me what happens to my bits! no bloody goverment!

yet again the goverment running our lives, i wish they would just ****** off!!

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i agree.... i dont think you should be allowed to just take organs without permission.

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I'm not sure about this. I feel that you should have to opt out of organ donation rather than opt in. After all when you are dead your organs are of no earthly use to you, but they may help someone live a fuller, longer and more productive life.
What I DO mind is government meddling.

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I agree that they should take nothing without permission, but, due to apathy, they are desperate, I would prefer they make it law that you are to give your doctor your preference, that way it is on record.

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This announcement has been made at the same time that proposals are released to replace tagging of offenders with implants.
It seems that governments are violating our bodies without much compunction -as if we were national property.
I have a donor card - It specifies which organs they can use (dont want anyone inflicted with the ones that don't work properly)
Some european countries have the proposed 'opt out' system and have higher donation rates-- on the other hand --USA has the same rates as them from an 'opt in' system that we have already.
The donor scheme just needs more publicity-- not national ownership of our dead bodies

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I certainly don't think that organs should just be taken away without a person's permission but I do think it should be something that we have to opt out of rather than opt in.

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I'm with the goverment on this. You are welcome to opt out but if you can't be bothered to do that then someone who can make use of them should get the chance of life. I'm damn sure your views would be different of it was you that was desperate for a new kidney/liver/heart.

When all said and done it's meat when your dead. The person is the soul, the memories you leave behind with the people you meet. I was at the funeral of Dennis Gregory this week(The Vic Landlord). The 300+ people who took the time out from their busy lives to say goodbye weren't thinking of the cold body in the box. They were thinking of the fun and laughter that he brought to their lives.

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Catholic Spain does it; Islamic sharia councils approve it; across the Atlantic even Americans do it. So why are we Brits so afraid of organ donation? Rates are 13 donors per million, compared to 35 per million in Spain. Gordon Brown is right to want to change that.
He's brave though; with politicians as well as the public showing reluctance for quite a while to face up to the issues around organ donation.
The PM and former health secretaries John Reid and Alan Milburn have either voted in the past against the "presumed consent" approach now being considered, or come out with half-informed assumptions about the matter in the aftermath of the Alder Hey organ removal scandal.
I would definitely support the presumed consent system. If you object, then opt out - simple as.

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i,m all in favour of the "opt out" suggestion, and i am one who personally does not believe in heart transplants,so i would not benefit myself, i also have no beef with anyone who is not in favour, if people cannot be bothered to opt out, then apathy is no excuse.;)

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i dont think they should take peoples organs out without permission.

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I fully support the Govt on this one, on what grounds could anybody deny another poorly person the use of their organs after they've died.

Like money you cant take it with you, personally I would find some solace if a loved one had assisted somebody else, why are you all so selfish and shortsighted (you can have my corneas when I'm gone!!!!)

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i think it should be left up to the family of the deceised, if no arrangements have been made before there death.....
I would offer any thing that i could be of use to any one after my death, but i know my organs are limited due to me being diabetic ??

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Gordon Browns another Tony Blair, just a muppet

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Isn't the whole point that by letting everyone know NOW you effectively give permission unless you actually say not. Job done, if you say no then OK. If you don't then its accepted you are happy to donate.

Its just the default thats changing.

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why not take all inside out if you are going to be free heat for chaples

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I don't see the connection there. :confused:

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from what I read it seems transplant teams would be on standby waiting for the required parts whilst the proposed doner is still on life support , seems to me this is a far to easy way for some Hospital management person decide if the support should be pulled (withdrawing treatment) and make his management team look good on the official statistics chart about how many donations came from that particular hospital

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Me i agree with it. Simple reason is when someone is dying the doctors themselves dont like asking the relatives would you consider organ donation? Relatives at that time dont want to think about organ donation they just want little johnny/uncle sam/auntie mary/mum/dad/little sally to live as long as possible they dont want them to die so most of them say no - they cant think of anything else but their relative, its upsetting to them, and even then the person may have said to a couple of members of the family that when they die they wanted to donate but when they are dying everything goes out the window.

By the way how many of you are on the organ donation register?
I am ever since i was 18 ive carried an organ donation card and when i asked at the chemist for another they gave me a form for the register so did that signed up for it.

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I think its the right way to do it - have a card to opt out - if no card then your fair game...if this was the way ahead then think of how many peoples lifes would be getting saved per year and it would also cut down on the huge waiting lists for a transplant operation.
one day it could be you going for that life saving operation - and if you were operated on within months rather than years I doubt you would complain...

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Yippee I have been waiting for this for years...ok I understand that some people may object to their organs being donated (no idea why, just worm food or ash) but if they do they can opt out..

There are adverts on the radio at the moment saying there will be forms coming through the post to ask people to join the organ register..they had done some kind of poll and 70% of people agreed with organ donation but out of those only 34% had bothered to either register or carry a donor card..

But you can carry as many cards as you like but at the moment unless you have notified your family of your wishes and they carry those wishes through then again the card is useless.

All my family know my wishes and I have discussed it with my children too and they also wish for their organs to be donated too!

I have been on the register since it's conception...so for once I give the government a big thumbs up for this one.

Don't forget those of you that feel the govt are making the decision for you...they're not, they're giving you the choice whilst you are alive to opt out

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ive been thinking, if you opt out and dont want your organs removed after death, does this mean that if YOU ever need a transplant, they wont give you one because you arnt willing to give yours away?:confused:

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selfishness is an alchoholic who needs my liver or a smoker who needs my lungs or heart, i have no use for my organs once im dead but the thought of someone who is a smoker or a heavy drinker abusing my organs is discusting, however someone who has fallen ill through no fault of their own can gladly have my organs, my name is down as a doner, i have nothing against smokers or drinkers but its self inflicted, and the poor child who has done nothing to deserve liver failure should be put 1st

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appreciate were yer coming from jackyalex, but dont see how that could ever work.:confused: ya cant bung organs in any Tom,Dick,or Harry, they got to be a match,in my understanding of it.:confused:

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You are right Cashy, they do have to match....and a gift of your organs once you no longer need them should not come with a proviso......it may be that the drinker will give up the drink in return for his new life....OK, don't quote George Best at me......but second chances should be allowed.

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Agree Margaret, Sometimes the threat of the reaper knocking is what kicks some people into life

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Although I have a donor card and agree with the principle of my body being put to good use, I do have some qualms about the current definition of death, which has been revised over the years. It is now defined as brain dead, and not just cessation of other vital organ function.
I have the card even though none of us know what conciousness, if any, lingers after the cessation of bodily functions. Some organs need to be 'fresh' for transplant, which involves the bodily functions being sustained artificially.
We can never know whether 'the deceased' is aware of what is happening to their body. I have a card because I do not wish to survive as a 'living vegetable', even though some coma patients have been known to recover after a long time.

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ive been defined as "brain dead" for years.:D

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How many years cashy? 60? :D:D:D

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Just want to revise the figures I quoted above as I heard the advert again and it was actually 90% in favour of organ donation and only 24% have done anything about registering

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They should not have any right of doing thing,s like that.

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You said they won't die through it so there is no question to ask, any 'intervention' would be murder.

If they are being kept alive by machine only then I believe NOK give the OK first

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I think the opt out scheme is a good idea, I cant think of anything worse than a family member or myself on the transplant list, it breaks my heart when the appeals come on the telly for little kids needing transplants.

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You can have my organs,but PLEEESE make sure i have realy popped my clogs first,,,I WOULD HATE TO "WAKE" UP DEAD,:):):)

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I think it is a good idea to have the opt out, I carry the card too, and while some people will have qualms about this subject I too think that the Doctors would rather fight to keep someone alive even on machines than be accussed of allowing someone to die so that they could use their organs...

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I think that if your organs are of some use to someone then they should take them, but the outer of your body should be left intact unless you have offered those bits, so that when its your funeral service your family can see you buried/cremated in one piece.

Thats what I think anyway, though obviously not everyone wants to donate something so personal to strangers. Medical colleges are struggling to get the bodies they need to practice on I believe, I'm sure I read that somewhere recently, so maybe it would be nice to donate your whole body to medicine rather than just bits, i dont know.

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I wont mind them taking my organs, its just that im sick and tired of the goverment telling us what we can and cant do!, next we'll need a licence to bloody breed!!!

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The Daily Mail today has a story of a british man who fell from a balcony in Rhodes, was left for 3 hours on a hospital trolley to die of internal bleeding, then they robbed one of his kidneys.
I can't help wondering whether, if they hadn't wanted the kidney, they would have given him the treatment needed to save his life.
Greek doctor convicted of manslaughter of balcony fall Briton left to die on hospital trolley | the Daily Mail

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That's a very good idea...

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i was thinking of something similar, what if you take your self of the donor list?, will they not bother to give you a organ if you needed one, because you opted out??!, also will they bother to save your life ??

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We aren't in Greece and here Doctors have a legal as well as ethical duty to save your life. If they dont, well maybe one day i'll be their barrister. How exciting :D