Alcohol yobs - what is the answer?
 

seen this in the telegraph...........
Alcohol Yobs What Is The Answer (from Lancashire Telegraph)

what do you think?

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on the news tonight the government blames the magistrates,for granting bail,the magistrates blame the government cos of the weak reasons they have to grant bail, so to me,until people are aware of who is telling porkies, ya dont even know WHO to lobby for a change in things? something obviously needs to be seriously looked at, but WHERE do you start?:rolleyes:

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Put them all in boarding schools. Let the little brats kick each others heads in.
Would get them off the streets where decent folk should be left to live in peace.

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Haha, I love the idea that upping the price will stop all the problems. Sure, you'll get less people drinking. Tenner for a few pills, even less for a joint, why the hell pay more than that when all these lot are doing is drinking to get wasted.

Contrary to popular belief it has got a lot harder with the ID21 scheme to buy drink underage... though to my amusement confused licensees refused to sell my friend a bottle of wine, despite the fact he had legit ID to prove he was 18 and would only sell him something <10%

Sites such as this Photo-ID UK - Fake ID - Photo I.D. do allow them god awful hoodlum youth terrorists that are destroying society and the world, hell the universe to get hold of booze at some off licenses, though hardly ever at pubs or clubs.

The problem is with family members buying the drink, normally an older brother or sister.

~ AccyWeb's resident underage drinker

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simple ban alcohol!!!

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Results from the heh, "Pilot Study" in the US early 20th Century didn't come back to good. And again, it just pushes people onto drugs, already the cheaper option.

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as the child was young a mother like hers is the one that should be prosecuted.:(

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I think the majority of people had a drink when they were underage some way or another. The problem, if it is a problem, is the parents for allowing their children to drink on the streets. Many 14yr olds+ drink without ever causing any trouble though, mainly because they look old enough to get into the pubs, and then are around older company.

Thats my opinion anyway. I dont know anyone who waited til they were 18 to first get drunk, unless they dont drink for health/religious reasons which is fair enough.

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What about parental responsibility? we can blame the police, schools, the courts etc but the principles of respect comes from the home.

How can parents allow their teens and younger to drink and come home smashed out of their brains and can't be bothered.

As a teenager we met on street corners and in hindsight to some we may have been percieved as a threat however we were in a community were the majority of us were known and any nonsense would have been fed back to our parents and potentially a clip round the ear

the lack of respect within the community is not restricted to young people when I see parents effing and jeffin to their kids in makes me very concerned for my kids as they grow up

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most people dont wait till there 18 blazey,i certainly didn,t, but if ya get caught n the parents cant be bothered then DO em. many kids do not cause trouble n have a couple, but at the end of the day- ya break the law- ya pay the piper, you of all people should appreciate that.:rolleyes:

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Dont send them to university then, the majority of my lecturers 'eff and jeff'. One of my lecturers says bollocks alot. Good for making me pay attention.

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i totally agree with you what is this world coming too. :confused:

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Unfortunately clips round ear'oles are no longer permitted in today's society, and I do feel that's half the problem. And I do agree that the example of crude language set by adults doesn't really give one much confidence for the future. I don't think this is progress at all. When you look back a couple of generations the words commonly heard in the streets today would have evoked shock and horror. To me it's very sad.

Is it any wonder there is a lack of respectful attitude these days when university lecturers behave like this? Do they feel it gives them some sort of street cred status?

I feel it's all part of the slippery slope we are sliding down. If a university lecturer effed and jeffed at me I would complain. I don't like to hear it and certainly don't think students should be subjected to it by those they should be able to look up to. They should aspire to better things.

Yes I know many students use the same language themselves but not all do and it's a shame that they are not set a better example.

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kids have a lack of respect and morals ....bring back borstal, that will wake the ****s up!

also name and shame the kids that do commit a crime, not hide there identity, they think they big enough to do these crimes, then they big enough to be identified!

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I think it is very sad that these so called educated people feel the need to resort to gutter language....and I would certainly have to object.

Maybe the lecturers think that this way of using bad language will endear them to their students.....or maybe they think it is alright as it is part of the youth culture.

Using swear words all the time means that when you really want to grab attention or vent some spleen you have nothing left to use.

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My Comments from a previous post - I'm still of the same mind


In my opinion, there’s a raft of issues that would have to be dealt with in order to slow down the occurrence of violent crime.
There seems , in general terms, to be less respect for authority these days.
I know myself that I was far less strict with my daughter’s upbringing than my parents were with me. I’m sure my parents were less strict with me than their parents were with them and so down the line. So in some respects we, the parents, have to hold our hands up.
Schooling is far different these days, far more freedom to express yourself and if you overstep the mark there seems to be little in the way of punishment. It needs addressing.
Policing, what’s happened to that ? I would like to see the police back on the beat. Police boxes back on the streets. The police should know their territory, the individuals who are troublesome. Have a word with the child who is stealing from the corner shop, nip it in the bud. Small crimes lead to larger crimes.
Prison should be feared again. Human rights must be forgone in prison. Prisons are overcrowded because prisoners have a lifestyle akin to that of being at home and in some instances better than that of many law abiding citizens. How many prisoners do you think will die this winter because of hypothermia?? Feed them, water them, allow them to wash and have them breaking rocks in a yard for 12 hours.
The media must change. Do we need all this up to the minute crime reporting. I don’t think it always serves us well.
So called pop artist/rap artists whatever they are, they shouldn’t be allowed to lyricise about beating their women or gang feuds. Similar rules must be made for the makers of films, TV programmes, Playstation type games and so on.
Kids are impressionable, always have been, always will be.
Those are just a few ideas I had kicking around in my head. I’m sure there are a lot of other issues that require attention.

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I have said in other previous posts that there is a distinct lack or respect......and not necessarily from just children and teens.
Respect HAS to be taught from the earliest age a child can understand......respect for people, respect for animals, respect for property....their own and other peoples......and most of all pride and respect in themselves.
You have to ask 'Why do children....Teens, want to get out of their heads on either alcohol or drugs'....and let's face it some children can get hold of drugs as cheaply as any alcohol and there is no-one watching the sales of such substances.
Any shop or off licence that is found to be selling alcohol to underage children should be closed down...any adult who buys alcohol for underage drinkers should be heavily fined.

Children and young adults who are found guilty of crimes of violence should be consigned to something like a 'boot camp'...where privleges are withdrawn until they have been earned.
The judiciary should be made to uphold a better framework of sentencing....and the Government should stop meddling with the work of the magistrates and judges....if there are not enough prisons to hold the perpetrators of violent crimes then perhaps we should have some prison ships to hold these violent people...they could be far enough off shore for them to be able to swim ashore.
I'm sure a lot of these young men(and women) would be far less aggressive without their mates and gang cohorts behind them.

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there used to be " Boot Camp" equivalants Detention Centres, what happened to them?

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I think that instead of asbos anyone doing anti-social behaviour should be sent to an army style training camp, teach them some respect for themselves and others around them, also while they are there teach them a trade so that when they do come back they have something worthwhlle to do. I understand this story from both sides as when i was younger i used to spend my weekends in darwen with a 'gang', which at the time seemed like the most fun in the world, but looking back at it now some of the things that happened where just stupid, and i really do regret a lot of it. Its one of those things that people grow out of. And as for making alcohol more expensive surely that will just push the already struggling nightlife in accy and many other similar towns, and also encourage youngsters to find alternate means of getting a buzz ie drugs, as someone already pointed out you can get pills for a couple of quid and enough weed to make a joint just as cheap, so putting the price up wont help at all. And please dont put the drinking age up, atleast not till next year when im 21 lol.

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How many parents nowadays if asked by someone where their kids are. When i was a kid we used to 'muck about' down the garages (where the cornmills are) and wrecked a couple of them - there was only one of the garages being used out of 6 of them so we had the end 2. We used to shelter in them if it was raining but all our parents knew where we were. We werent far from the houses but far enough away not to cause a disturbance to the people in the houses. Plus they all knew us and we all knew which ones were the ones who were going to complain to our parents in otherwords we knew if we did anything wrong we knew our parents would be told. My dad used to walk past on his way up to the club at 8.30 and i had to be round there or he'd wonder where i was. Also i had to be in at 9pm even when i was 15 unless i had gone to the disco and then i had to be home for 10pm. If i was late i was docked half an hour the following night. How many 15 year olds do you see out on the street now - later than 9pm? We had a healthy respect for our parents. The only thing i can think off is that it is my generation who are the parents of teenagers now. In the 80's there was that everything is me, me, me, no one thinking of others. Now we are reaping the benefits of the me, me, me generation.

I dont have any kids - but i do have nieces and nephews that are teenagers the only thing is my brother and sisters have brought them up with a healthy respect for others, couple of blips here and there but not one of them has been brought home by police.

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No respect, no discipline, no authority, no fear. I still say parents are to blame ultimately, but agree with bb that parents have become more tolerant along the generations. It sounds harsh, but here is my recipe for the making of better people. The parents have no fear of thier children being taken away from them, thus they have no reason to sort them out unless the damage is to thier own property etc. Hanging, flogging, the stocks, national service, boot camp, borstal, boarding schools, hard time prison, give the police the control of the streets back and bin all the paperwork and red tape, give the teachers thier control back, including the cane, the slipper and the dunces cap, it would take 20 years to make a complete difference, but I am sure that if all the above were returned over time, improvements would be startling initially and steadily things would improve, abolish the compensation nation attitude and the human rights stupidity too. And before the do gooders start shouting about this being barbaric, I find all the murders, rapings, child molestation etc barbaric, and before they get on the human rights pedestal, what about our rights to walk the streets safe, and able to leave belongings in your car or garden without fear of theft, and to allow my kids to the park alone without fear of violence or idiotic drivers? Excellent thread panther!

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very well said Derekgas. ;)

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Thank you cashy, I knew you would agree, I forgot to say that the local bobby should be able to give you a clout round the ear, never did me any harm! lol

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...and survivors will be shot again

Seriously, get a grip on reality, the problems are with the minority, why destroy the lives of millions ?

The problem is mainly with the perception of "youths".

You see a group of teenagers in full black tracksuits and you assume that they are drunk off cheap cider, out until 3AM every night swearing and vandalising before going home to neglectful parents on benefits and truanting off the next day of school. The case 9 times out of 10 is that its a few teenage lads off for a kickabout.

I laugh at the fact that when I do out out playing football, people cross the street to avoid me, walking in not the best of areas and standing6ft tall wearing tracksuit bottoms (I'll be buggered if I'm wearing shorts in winter) and an athletic shirt I am the typical "youth" up to no good. Terrifying I know.

Now look at it from a different angle, I am a straight A student, had the chance of a place at Oxford or Cambridge but chose against it, now earned a conditional offer from the most popular and one of the most competitive universities in the country- The University of Manchester, I am simply going to have a kick around with my friends, who I've known since primary school, spending a bit of time with them before we all move away. Still scared ?

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It does sound a bit like my post wouldn't apply to you, and indeed is not aimed at you, it is aimed at the mindless morons wrote about in this thread, it is a blinkered and generalised opinion that I have now, and this is because the government have made me this way with thier blinkered and generalised mistakes, I have no objection to young lads going for a kickabout, but I do object when they kick the ball at my car, and talk as loud as possible on thier way home at 3am, which incidentally, I find a strange time to be having a kickabout.

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Yes of your libertarianism

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I'm with derek on this. Discipline in the main seems to be lacking in our youngsters and it seems that nobody is allowed to administer "effective" discipline thesedays. Parents, teachers, police... to an extent they all have their hands tied.

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seems the Germans have found a solution
The German solution to dealing with yobs: send them to Siberia | the Daily Mail
:eek: :eek:

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its YOU who wants to get a grip on reality Samf, no-one wants decent kids oining, no-one thinks all kids are yobs, its about trying to make society safer from the morons.

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And how the bloody hell do you plan on this being enforced ? When all that is seen is sterotypes ?

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SamF you have commented several times in this thread ( entitled Alcohol yobs - what is the answer )but as yet I have not seen what you would propose is done about the “real” not “percepted” problems on our streets i.e. provide your solution to the question initially asked. It would be refreshing to hear a solution from a younger persons perspective.

Is this really just an issue of family members buying drink for the kids I doubt it


it is no perception when you end up in a wooden box

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The girl should have been taken to hospital and the mother told where she was to go and collect her.That way they are inconveniencing the mother which will probably bother her more than the fact she has been drinking. I think social services should be involved so they can start a case regarding situations like this. I don't think the parents should be prosecuted first time, we all did it, but something should happen for repeat instances.

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the problem is that there are adult yobs who cant control their behaviour after getting drunk either. Maybe we should just ban alcohol completely. I know I wouldn't care :D

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Sorry Neil, I disagree with you on this, think its more an example of community policing being required , I grew up in Gt. Harwood during the 50s and 60s and everyone knew the local beat 'bobby' P.C.Robinson who covered the bottom end of town , and he knew the local kids and where they lived , he lived in the better part of the area , but was part of the community and woe betide any local kid who got caught doing a 'wille wonka' (head over heels roll) over the railway bridge parapet wall whilst a train was going under it (a right of passage), not only were you shamed by him taking you home , your parents/family were shamed at the same time . don't ever remember a clip around the ear from him or any police abuse but he had the respect which sadley seems to have gone . :D :D

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Our local PC's do know many of the local kids, mainly those that cause the trouble and are working to sort out anti social behavior.

I still think the only may to get some parents to care what there kids are doing is to cause as much inconvience to them as you can. Things like not taking them to the local nick, take them 20 miles away so the parents have to present for interview collecting them.

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yep , hold my hand up , times have changed so can't disagree with you , think thats a good idea :D :D

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the problem with the theory with that children defy their parents regardless of how much they get shouted at. Inconveniencing the parents might make them pay attention but why is it going to make the kids pay attention to their parents when theyre breaking the law? Do you think being shouted at by your parents is scarier than being punished by the police?

I think teens enjoy the thrill of doing something they shouldn't be doing, and more attention isn't going to deter them. The other bonus is that doing things like drinking and causing trouble is seen favourably amongst their peers. The more they get punished the more they boast about it.

When I was in the magistrates I witnesses a girl being fined for assault. £300. Did she look bothered? Course she didnt, because to her it makes her look 'better' to her friends.

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That is exactly why they should inflict some serious punishment on these morons, you would not see anybody bragging about being birched, put in borstal or boot camp, and even if they did, they wouldn't want to go back. We have to take the 'prestige' out of being a badun! Much like steeljacks german post, I agree with that.

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If adults reoffend after being in 'real' prisons and they supposedly have more intelligence (or at least thats the general view on this forum) what makes you think teenagers are going to suddenly behave?

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some will never behave,thats life,but there will sure as hell be less of em.:rolleyes:

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The goverment wont ban alcohol, its like fags, they are making to much money out of them!
and putting the age up is a waste of time too, kids will still get their hands on it, just like fags, that went up to 18.....waste of time that was:rolleyes:

tougher penalties are needed thats all, but im just wasting my fingers putting this arnt I:rolleyes:

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people with common sense would agree with that,pity theres too many dummies.:D:rolleyes:

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I don't think there's much shame going around these days either.

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That again is my point, the nearest 'real' prison to us is probably singapore or something, prison should mean punishment, not holidays, repeat offenders do so because they like being in prison, hard line, that's what's required, even not allowing them to talk to each other, thus not putting ideas in each others heads, no tv, make them read books, porridge and water if I had my way!

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they should be like the old days,
Attachment 10659, chain em up and make em work!

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This is what is actually proposed, but not by the government I hasten to add.
Respect - Homepage
Not a single mention of anything that is likely to work!

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a good hiding might:D

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If prison is so wonderful then why dont homeless people commit offences to get these luxuries?

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a lot seem to,theres always people in papers No Fixed Address.

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Well there are more with addresses than without. I think its ridiculous to suggest it's an easy ride in prison.

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there will be cos there many more people have addresses.:rolleyes:

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You'd think that they'd avoid prison because they have a roof over their head and most of the 'luxuries' that prison provides.

There are millions of homeless people and they all dont break the law yet prison is apparently so much better? I'm sure homeless people have common sense. If prison is so brilliant then why isn't there a much greater number of homeless offenders?

I never see homeless people in the newspapers committing terrible murders. You'd think it'd be brought to the medias attention if it happened that often. Can imagine David Cameron saying he wants to deport all the homeless criminals if we vote for him...

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the only thing prison takes away is freedom as for murders most mass murderers do seem to have addresses, many are also commited by "family" or people known to victims, but there is still quite a few doing time of no fixed address. some homeless people do have common sense, many though are winos/alkies, etc, i know quite a few n all have been inside a few times, n the scrounging gits usually tap me for the price of a beer or whatever.

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Even homless people have hope, they do the lottery etc and have there freedom, prison would remove that option. I often try to think of a way to defend your responses, because that is how I am, but I have to say, you make it bloody hard most of the time.

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parents can allow it due to the parents always being drunk or/and out of their head on drugs too, the parents are the ones who buy the drink for the kids to get them out of their hair. We are now getting into 2nd 3rd and 4th generation idiots who have never worked, so the kids do as the parents do. I say ban the benefits to the parents and ban alchohol altogether and drugs

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i think the only answer to this question is, give the little ******* a slap and make them do community service :D

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Take their socks away from them, they would never leave the house:D

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nah if they are chavs then take there gold, they definately wouldnt leave the house then ;)

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gold?, more like gold plated that turns green!;)