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shakermaker 23-01-2008 12:59

Balcony Plunge Dad Not Guilty Of Murder
 
"Incapable of murder", sent to a psychiatric unit.

John Hogan To Give Account Of Crete Balcony Plunge |Sky News|World News

BBC NEWS | England | Bristol | Hotel leap man cleared of murder

flashy 23-01-2008 13:00

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yeah ive just heard about that on the news, makes you wonder doesnt it

shakermaker 23-01-2008 13:03

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My gut feeling is that the decision is very dubious. Did he actually have any previous mental health problems? Haven't been keeping up with this so I may have missed something but the headline made me feel quite uneasy.
I feel very sorry for the mother.

panther 23-01-2008 13:04

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OMG, i cant believe that...is this because he doesnt feel guilty for what hes done?.......mental or not he should be jailed...what a load of b*ll*cks

flashy 23-01-2008 13:05

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i think they are all to frequently using mental health as an excuse nowadays

panther 23-01-2008 13:07

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as shakermaker says, i feel sorry for the mother too, that woman must be devastated!!

blazey 23-01-2008 13:09

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Claiming insanity isn't the easy option. Many people who ARE insane prefer to claim they are guilty of murder to actually have a set sentence, as with claims of insanity you dont normally get set a specified time to spend in the institution and you can be kept there for life, as he most likely will be based on the fact he still doesnt see whats wrong with what he did.

Thats why dangerous people with mental problems end up back on the streets to reoffend. Nothing forces you to claim insanity, but if you do there is uncertainty. Much better to go to prison, be good and be out after two thirds of your sentence.

MargaretR 23-01-2008 13:16

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He had 2 brothers who committed suicide and he had recently stopped taking his anti depressant meds.

panther 23-01-2008 13:25

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did the mother not realise he was off his rocker??
surely she must have known if he was depressed

blazey 23-01-2008 13:28

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 520832)
did the mother not realise he was off his rocker??
surely she must have known if he was depressed

Not everyone who is depressed wants to kill themself though, and if she hadn't realised he'd stopped taking medication she'd not have thought there was a risk.

Not many people consider the risk of their husbands killing themselves and their children because they suffer from something that affects 1 in 4 adults or soemthing like that.

flashy 23-01-2008 13:28

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i'm on anti depressants, and at times i feel like killing someone :D

panther 23-01-2008 13:29

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 520836)
i'm on anti depressants, and at times i feel like killing someone :D

anyone i know?:rolleyes:

flashy 23-01-2008 13:30

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 520838)
anyone i know?:rolleyes:


yes definately, sometimes several ;)

flashy 23-01-2008 13:33

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lol cheers for taking the karma, it made me laugh so much :D

jackyalex 23-01-2008 13:40

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How can a person claim insanity ? how would an insane person know they were insane

Neil 23-01-2008 13:42

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Originally Posted by jackyalex (Post 520847)
How can a person claim insanity ? how would an insane person know they were insane


When they found them self stood over the mutilated body of a young lady :eek:

Neil 23-01-2008 13:42

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When I murdered my 1st wife I claimed insanitary, I drowned her in the toilet.

jackyalex 23-01-2008 13:43

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your avatar says it all neil lol

WillowTheWhisp 23-01-2008 13:58

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He isn't claiming he didn't do anything wrong. He's claiming he doesn't remember doing it. There's a big difference.

jackyalex 23-01-2008 14:05

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 520861)
He isn't claiming he didn't do anything wrong. He's claiming he doesn't remember doing it. There's a big difference.

he did say to the judge and jury, This man you see in front of you wasnt the man who jumped off the forth floor balcony with his two kids, that is what he said.

WillowTheWhisp 23-01-2008 14:12

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Yes, and that doesn't mean that he considers that what he did was not wrong.

Lilly 23-01-2008 16:28

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Has he been cleared altogether?

The article I've seen says he's been cleared of murder but what about manslaughter?

I don't think that he was planning all week to kill his kids, he says it was a split second decision but nevertheless he did kill his son, so surely that's manslaughter. :confused:

Margaret Pilkington 23-01-2008 16:30

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This man was, and still is(to a lesser degree) mentally ill.
He has been seen by qualified psychiatrists who considered that at the time he committed the dreadful act, he was not sane.
He will live with the results of his actions for the rest of his life, namely the loss of his family.
If we are to believe all we read about this case, then maybe his wife should shoulder some of the responsibility. She was going to leave him and had told him that the marriage was over....so why take him to a foreign country, where there would be no family support network for him. He had had a past history of depression, two brothers having committed suicide, and his grandmother having died just a month earlier.
My great goodnight, this is enough to push the sanest of us over the edge.

Margaret Pilkington 23-01-2008 16:31

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I think he has been cleared on the grounds of 'diminished responsibility' and it has been recommended that he be placed in a mental health institution.

panther 23-01-2008 17:38

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 520841)
lol cheers for taking the karma, it made me laugh so much :D

LOL you as well, wonder who that was...emmmm:rolleyes:

flashy 23-01-2008 17:51

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 520976)
LOL you as well, wonder who that was...emmmm:rolleyes:


lol bet we can both guess ;)

panther 23-01-2008 17:53

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well who ever it was, didnt leave their name, which i thought was very rude...:rolleyes:,and noticed it was someone with little rep power...:D

blazey 23-01-2008 20:23

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Its funny but every time you give rep or get rep you mention it in the thread and have a conversation about it. Wouldn't it be ironic if you had been giving it eachother :rolleyes:

i actually paused before I carried on that sentence which I no doubt would've recieved an infraction for, but its nice to see that your sticking together.

panther 24-01-2008 08:36

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 521053)
Its funny but every time you give rep or get rep you mention it in the thread and have a conversation about it. Wouldn't it be ironic if you had been giving it eachother :rolleyes:

i actually paused before I carried on that sentence which I no doubt would've recieved an infraction for, but its nice to see that your sticking together.

stop talking poo:dummy2:


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