Scout Promise
 

The scouts have been going for over 100 years so why ask them now to change their promise?

Human rights watchdog investigates 'discrimination' of Scout promise to God | the Daily Mail

I took the brownie guide promise when i was 7 and the Guide promise when i was 22, took the scout promise when i was 18 when i became a leader. The only time i really did go to church was when i was confirmed and mum made me go to church for a year without fail, since then i hardly ever go in fact the last time i was in a church was for a christening last June and the time before that was mums funeral. I know someone who took that promise at the age of 7 at the same time as me and has never stepped foot in a church except for the hatch, match and despatch services. It didnt stop her from making the brownie promise so why say they are discriminating against kids who dont believe in god

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I was a girl guide. :mosher:

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utter nonsense , its probably the only place in the UK where a youngster gets the chance to learn the words to the National anthem (all verses ) and is taught how to adjust his woggle :eek: :eek:

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Lol woggles, I wish I could remember how to make them.

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it's was part of the Cub Scout oath that little girls were not allowed to touch a woggle. :eek: :eek:

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I've never heard of a child who refused to say the promise, no matter what their religious views. My grandson was a Scout and my granddaughter is a Brownie, though neither of them has been christened. My daughter is Brown Owl of 5th Lymm Methodist Brownies although she is, in fact, an atheist. She has to go to church for certain occasions like Remembrance Day and Mothering Sunday but she looks on it as ceremonial and commemorative, not religious.

This is another load of P C nonsense if you ask me.

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As children we were co-erced into reciting such promises because it made the 'grown ups' feel that they were doing their rightous duty to raise their children 'properly'

Who on here signed the Methodist pledge and kept it?

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Not me, but the man who made your wedding cake did.:D

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Your grandad's baking skills were commended by all who ate it.
(even though it would have been even better with a bit of brandy added :D)

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Lol.:p

He never even went in a pub, nevermind sloshing spirits in his cakes.:D

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I promise to do my best,
To do my duty to God and to the Queen
To help other People
and to keep the Scout law
dib dib,:D
well something like that it was 40 years ago

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yep i was a girl guide too....same promise...........

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And the rest!!!! :D:D:D

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I was a Brownie and a giude but didn't attend guides long I met Mick and he led me astray lol. ;)

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I promise that i will do my best.
To do my duty to God and the Queen.
To help other people and keep the Brownie guide law.
Mick you missed a dib off there.

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it was actually

On my Honuor
I promise to do my best,
To do my duty to God and to the Queen
To help other People
and to keep the Scout law

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My mother was fine with me joining the brownies but wouldn't let me go to Church parade, which everyone was fine with. But when i moved up to the guides Church parade was compulsory, so of course i had to leave. How times have changed.

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I'm sure we used to say "To help other people at all times" .. think it may have been dropped later 'cause I used to find it difficult not to say it.

Was in Brownies, Guides and later an Akela.
Was brought up Methodist, but went to St.Johns Brownies, Guides and Akela at St. Augustines, Huncoat.
Daughter in Barnes Square Methodist Brownies.
Son in All Saints Cubs and Scouts.
Brother in St. Johns Cubs and Scouts.

Mum/Dad never bothered about us going to a C of E troops, just thought it was a good thing to do to keep us on the straight and narrow.

Must admit never really thought too deeply about the promise to God .. just summat you said. Did enjoy Church Parade because, more often than not, was chosen to do the reading, which as a Drama Queen was just an opportunity to show off my reading and acting skills ... :rolleyes:

Although I found it later very difficult to logically believe in any sort of Maker, did not enforce these views on my children. Did not get them christened, but they both went to All Saints Primary and duly went to the Church Parades once a month as was part of their duty to the Scout movement. They objected at times, because C of E services are soooo boring. Didn't feel hypocritical as they had to make their own mind up about things ... they are all atheists now however.

I don't think should be taken out of the promise altogether, but if a child wishes to leave this out when making it (probably parental pressure) I do not see any reason why there should be an objection. Like Westender's daughter, can just go to show respect for special occasions. There again the child may wish to go.

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I wish the P.C brigade would leave things alone. I don't understand this one, if people don't wish to make the promise because it mentions God then don't join the Scouting movement. End of problem. :mad:

Re Church Parade...I think that any child who is a member of any division of the Scouting movement should attend Church Parades. When I was a Guide they were compulsory and the Beaver group that my son is a member of states that if you miss 3 or more Church Parades without reasonable explanation you will be asked to leave. They are only once a month after all and they don't have them in school hols so there are probably only about 8 a year.

I think that this is fair because the Beaver group is run and supported financially by the Church so it's only fair that they are going to want parents' support back.