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The new housing minister Caroline Flint, hereinafter known as Skinflint, has come up with yet another Labour “CRACKPOT” idea. She has suggested that henceforth Council House Tenancy Contracts should include a clause that states something to the effect of, “Tenants must be in work or actively seeking work to keep their tenancy.” Or in other words if you are living in a Council house and you lose your job you could be liable to lose your home. Council House tenants can already be evicted if a member of the family is convicted of a crime and if any member of the family associates with a convicted criminal.

Having just moved to Housing from the Department of Work and Pensions it seems like Skinflint is trying to make a name for herself without a single thought of how it would affect the population. A bit like Tony Blair.

Has this woman not thought past her flash of inspiration?

Popular opinion on the Jeremy Vine radio show, from those in work and earning a decent wage is simply, “Yeh! Chuck the scroungers out.” My response, “Where to?”

It has recently been claimed that some 2 million people are in receipt of Incapacity Benefit fraudulently. So that’s two million on the streets straight away. Then there are the unemployment figures that vary from one to three million.

If Skinflint got her way there would be upwards on 3 million people homeless. Some would undoubtedly become a burden on the NHS as they fall ill and some would get residence in a prison. The rest would become a gang.

No doubt that there are scroungers and efforts should be made to get them into meaningful work but chucking them out on the street is not the answer.

Before coming up with yet another “CRACKPOT” scheme the government should try to find out WHY people are out of work. The greater majority thrown on the work scrap heap want a job but why should they take one that pays less than £6 an hour when the benefits of being out of work effectively pays them more.

The sooner the current government is shown the door the better. Unfortunately the alternative is no better.

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She also suggest putting jobcentres on council estates. With a bit of luck she will be visiting one after the next elections where she will find the term jobcentre is actually nothing like what it sounds.

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people round here will be ok then, the council houses in hyndburn are no longer council owned, they are an housing association now arnt they?

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as you say jambutty,the alternative is no better, the thing that would make a differance is for people en-masse to take to the streets, and we all know that will NEVER happen.:(as for miss Flint the old saying= put her brain in a budgie,and it will fly backwards, springs to mind.:rolleyes:

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HAHAHAHA was just about to say that cos i'm in a twin valley house ;)

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There were poll tax riots --- I remember some big rioting in Blackburn circa 1981 -- was that about polltax too?

If governments get really stupid and dont listen to the people it DOES happen

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That's the kind of attitude that influences teenagers to get pregnant and not work. What's wrong with getting a job that pays less than £6 an hour? Is there no pride in simply having a job anymore? If you dont start at something then how can you ever work your way up to better things?

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Not sure about all this, it’s the most vulnerable that lose out, i.e. kids, elderly relatives etc. Reduce or remove benefits form those that can work but chose not too, on the other hand how many would like to work but can’t get a job because of immigration policies operated by the HM Government.

Some Answers:

3 years National Services – 16 to 25 year olds.

5 years National Services (Front Line) – 16 to 35 year old Criminals.

End of the right to work for unqualified Immigrant workers irrespective of country of Origin.

Introduce National Works Projects for “Fit and Able” unemployed with skill building included.

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credited you with more sense, theres no pride in having less to spend on yer family,for those in that unfortunate position, just hope yer never in that position.:cool:

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Wake up Girl, most of the working population work for less than £6 per hour and will continue to do so for some time to come. They have pride in who they are. I would rather work for a fiver than ****** from the state.

I'm an employer, I pay 5.90 an hour, plus stoppages, plus uniform, plus Training, plus Fuel allowence and every thing else I have to pay to keep my staff in a job and me on the right side of the law. Don't tar people with the same brush........want a Job.

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Blazey you are talking a load of codswallop as usual. Cocooned as you are in university, which mine and others of my era’s taxes paid for, you have no idea of the real world.

Far too many employers only pay the minimum wage because that is all the law says that they have to, in the full knowledge that if it was left to market forces they would HAVE TO PAY MORE. No one blames the employer for paying less than the real going rate. So don’t blame the worker for not wanting to work when more can be had on state benefits.

The real blames lies with the top 10% grabbing 90% for themselves.

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I want a job tho cant get one to fit in familywise, went to a shop yesterday whom were advertising a vacancy, only to be told a complex requirement, basically job is 16hrs contract over 6 days a week tho the employer needs extreme flexibility, hence why cant give me the exact hours of working cos basically i'd have to be avail from 9am -5.30pm during those days in case im called in, so really job is part time working & part time waiting so they can pick & choose my hours at leisure - totally inflexible to the applicant & they wonder why they cant fill the vacancy:confused:

Thats the biggest of the problem is that employers want big flexibility all one way:( Thing is they can afford to be picky in most cases cos the vacancy will be filled by eastern europeans whom can do strange hours because family is not directly living with them. Thats the problem we have now, working doesnt interact well with family life nowadays.

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Have u seen the callibre of jobs in the jobcentre nowadays obviously that woman hasnt had to rely on jobcentreplus, it gets worse every year Jobcentre Plus - have a laugh:D even worse when u have to be limited to local because of transport issues - theres not that much choice or number of jobs going:rolleyes:

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It’s all very well glibly advocating National Service as the panacea for youngsters’ wayward ways but think on this.

This country can’t afford to pay our regular troops a wage that is commensurate with their work so there is no chance of any form of National Service.

As for sending criminals, our armed forces do not want criminals in their midst. In any case one volunteer makes a better soldier, sailor or airman than ten pressed men.

Apart from that our forces need men and woman who are capable of handing complex and expensive machinery who can be relied upon to do their job without hesitation. The days of canon fodder on the front line are over.

Just remember this – you can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

As an employer, would you give a hardened criminal a job? No? Then don’t foist them on the cream of the fighting forces of the world.

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I have to agree with this completely. Why should dedicated soldiers be lumbered with people that dont really want to be there and will just cause problems?

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No idea of the real world? I am at university even though I studied at subject at college which said I'd be a criminal, pregnant and on the dole by 20. I have had to cope with the stereotypes of being from a single parent family and I know EXACTLY what its like to have to struggle for money, so dont get all high and mighty with me about your bloody pension

All I'm saying is that its bad to promote benefits as being an easier option when they aren't at all. One lad showed me up infront of my entire class at college by saying 'you should make your mum get a job.' just because I had it a bit easier by getting £30 a week EMA which went on travel and supplies, whilst he drove around in his brand new car paid for by daddy and complained non-stop, all because people like you say its easier to be on benefits. Well it isn't easier, it's a load of crap. What would you know about being a single mother in todays society living off benefits? Because I'm pretty damn sure I know a lot more than you about what its like today.

Then at uni I have to cope with snobs, one of which being my own friend who thought it odd that I didnt assume she had an ensuite bathroom at home. There IS pride of being able to fund things for yourself even if it is less than benefits. If you think otherwise then its the older generation that are letting society down, not the youth who are being taught no better.

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I think caroline flint would have a job finding any council houses, most have been taken over by H/A, or the running has been handed over to H/A, i think it would be a waste of money trying to get some people to work and to say that they would loose their house isnt fair, we are all entiltled to a roof over our head even if you dont work,

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I honestly think that national politicians of all parties have no idea what its like in places like Hyndburn and when they visit they never seem to be ushered round council estates (housing assoc) they just pick a nice photo shoot for the local press then on to the next photo call. But I'm sure if Ms Flint comes to Hyndburn she will be give a warm welcome.

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Like many people you assume that you know it all. Well let me put you straight on a few points.

I grew up as a child of a single parent family in the days when there was no social security only National Assistance, which was a pittance. I spent time living in a workhouse because we had nowhere to go.

When we eventually managed to get a home of our own my mother was obliged to take in lodgers to pay the rent. She was unable to work because of ill health gained, if that is the right word, by the ravages of WWII.

I left school at 15 to work down the pit as, for want of a better description, a pseudo pit pony. For my efforts my wage of £3 –1 –3d went towards the family budget. I got 5 shillings as my pocket money but I was allowed to keep my overtime earnings. And overtime I did. Up to 20 hours a week in a hell hole shovelling coal dust away from a conveyor so that it wouldn’t clog up the works. And that was after six hours of pushing a tub of coal weighing several hundredweight from the coal face to the ‘chain’ some 200 yards away.

I volunteered to join the Royal Navy at the age of 16 years and 10 months and served until my 30th birthday. It was my good fortune that I was not involved in a major conflict but nonetheless we still lost three good guys in Cyprus when the EOKA terrorists were trying to get rid of the British.

I have done my bit for my country. What have you done except take, take, take?

In later life I spent some 15 years as a single parent and also holding down a full time job for most of the time. So I know all about the trials and tribulations that life can chuck at someone.

I know everything about being a single father and in those days the benefits were nowhere near as generous as they are today. So I have every right to get all high and mighty. Certainly more right than you do.

So before you shoot your mouth off try to remember you are not the only person on this planet.

However I never stated that it is easier on benefits. But hey! Why let the truth get in the way of your tirade. I stated, “So don’t blame the worker for not wanting to work when more can be had on state benefits.”

The jobless didn’t lay down the benefit rules. You can hardly blame them for using the rules if they allow the work shy to prosper.

The older generation laid down the foundations that have been abused by greedy employers in their quest for more and more profits.

So you think that there is pride in being able to fund things yourself do you? Let me see – pride – arrogance, conceit, smugness, superiority, self-importance. That says it all for me.

Pride comes before the fall.

The greater majority of the older generation worked hard so that you and your generation can live as you do.

Notice - not a single swear word anywhere.

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LMAO..... god that gave me a laugh.

They say that people that commit crime can be evicted out of their Council houses. YET people that are causing Anti-social behavior are reported, and nothing is done COS THEIR HANDS ARE TIED!! hmmmm summet not quite adding up :rolleyes:

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Better to work hard and risk a fall than have never stood on your own two feet.

I never assumed you weren't from a family on benefits, I said you haven't experienced it in this generation to be able to make such a claim. The members of this forum whinge about Polish people having all the factory jobs and then contradict themselves by favouring living off benefits anyway.

Labour, conservative, bnp... whoever you vote for will make no difference, as neither party can work miracles. But I for one refuse to sit down and accept I can live happily on benefits if I choose when I could be working towards something else. University ISN'T all funded, I will leave university with easily £20000 debt and still have to fund more education and training. If it wasn't for loans I wouldn't be here, because grants dont even cover enough for the living costs never mind the books, travel, food etc. And I will have to pay it back, and whilst doing that I'll be working and paying taxes that go towards pensions and care homes for elderly people that sit at the pc all day claiming living off benefits is better than working for under £6 an hour.

Would you be more satisfied if I got pregnant and dropped out of uni, is that whats more accepted in accrington? Is that what you expect of your grandchildren?

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For what it's worth here's my opinion; if you are too idle or illegal to get a job and pay your own rent then I don't see why you should get a free house and money handed to you to pursue your " career " of doing nowt . You should be made to accept a job, be it street cleaning or anything else. IF you are genuinely incapacitated, retired,or a carer for a family member/partner you should be given the option of council/ association housing.
The system is used and abused by millions of dole dossing benefit cheats as it stands now.
I pay for them to be sat on their arses watching Jeremy Kyle and laughing at the rest of us who work hard for a living , hey, guess what? I am fed up of it and having rows with scum in my shop who want to spend their "healthy start " vouchers on anything except baby milk.
This country need a drastic rethink on all the handouts that go to the least deserving.
End of rant.
Time for a pancake.

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thats exactly what it should be, only problem is they usually target "soft options" to make the figures look good.;)

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I wish someone would give these youngsters a job while they still know everything

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If it is done properly as Lyndsay says, and includes immigrants, then it doesn't seem that terrible, I do get fed up, coming home at 6,7, and 8 at night, having passed all the work dodgers sat outside the pub, to find the shirkers across the back are having another booze party because they don't have to get up for work.

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Hmmm not sure about this one yet, need to look into it a bit more before I make my judgement on it...well got to becareful what I say... I work in housing :eek:

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we have the same every weekend our neighbours having parties, their kids are all young teenagers who also party(drink), it is annoying when i know they are not working and their is no reason why they cant, yet spend all day drinking, when we both work and have to pay for everything that they dont, its like they are laughing at us if you know what i mean,

lyndsey do you not shout at them for not using their vouchers for babymilk, are they not embarraced for asking if they could use it for something else,

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Oh how i agree with this post.Close to where i live, 20 brand new council houses have been built + majority of people moving in are doleys or single mothers.Assuming these houses were sold privately i would guess they would go for approx £100,000,so why should they just be given away to people who will pay no rent when people like myself work but cannot afford a mortgage.There has to be a way of making these people put something back into the community.

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I agree lindsay, there are to many spongers and people with ohh bad backs these days, I know people who were single parents 18 years ago there kids are grown up now and they still dont work. I think benefits should be stopped when the dependents are no longer dependents. like you say i to am sick of carrying them,

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I think there are a damn site more people in private rented being paid by the state than council houses.

Doesn't the state also still pay mortgage interest for out of work houseowners ?

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yes they still pay the interest on the mortgage, i wish i could just afford a mortgage, but we cant get one for the price of housing now, its cheaper for us to rent, the private rent is alot more per week compared to council or h/a housing, though it doesnt matter to those that get it paid for them

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Let's have another reality check; I work over 37 hours a week for a reputable company; I rent my house from a private landlord, I am a single parent and I am 40 years old and I know I would struggle to get a mortgage on a property on my own. I am by no means inadequate in terms of potential or finance really, but the housing market as it is means I can only rent- I have no deposit to put on a house and my earnings as a single parent would equate to nothing. Yet if I had a one night stand, got pregnant ,jacked my job in due to "stress and anxiety" I would no doubt get a nice big house and lots of "healthy start " vouchers. Not what I want and it shouldn't be the ultimate goal in life for all wannabee " Vicky Pollards" out there .:rolleyes:

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I've got 2 queries about recent posts...

the first is that I thought benefits DO stop when a child is no longer dependent.

secondly I thought 'healthy start' vouchers went to all mums. my boyfriends mum told me she had got the milk tokens when she had young children and she was married. She used to remind him that when he used to whinge on about vouchers for single parents and how it was all too easy blah blah blah.

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Child benefit does.

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Well what else continues? Housing benefit? Isn't that available to couples without children too even if one of the couple works?

What other benefits are there?

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Income support, housing benefit, council tax benefit, jobseekers allowance. To the my knowledge, none of these stop if you don't have dependant children. People on a very low wage can claim working tax creidt too.

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Wow! What a thread! For me lots of emotions here, certain posts drive me completely mad. In my position I sometimes struggle to be able to speak my mind, and to be fair, if i did I would probably be in trouble. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr..... Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggghhhh....... I'll just say that most of what blazey has said I agree with..... And by the way, market value in general is not minimum wage, its far below in england these days!

My job kind of involves moving things from 'expensive england' to cheap "anywhere bloody else" and as long as people in the UK are happy to rely on benefits instead of working, my job is secure. In case you hadn't noticed I spend most of my time abroad, this is thanks to our lazy lot, and the minimum wage. Feel free to blame it on the rich creaming more off, but the whole of life revolves around cashflow, and if people elsewhere will make you more money then give them a chance! The UK is doomed, the UK is lazy!

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Wow what a statement and true beyond belief.
My Parents told me at an early age....Get off you arse and earn a decent living otherwise pack your bags.....

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In the early 60's when I left school you had a choice-down the pit -in the mill or if you were lucky you got an apprenticeship.
Now they don't exist.-Eastern Europeans come here for a better life,the life we lead in the 50's Do we want to go back to 8 people living in a 2 up 2 down Terraced House, I don't think so.
The jobs people of my age were trained to do no longer exist in this country,so can we stop lumping the can knots with the will knots.
No one repairs tv's videos or dvd's it's cheaper to buy a new one.
In some cases It's cheaper to buy a new printer than buy the ink.
It's a throwaway world,us oldies aren't needed anymore
Which poses the question-Why stop us smoking and killing our selfs off.
On a more serious note there are many couples who rent not one but two houses/flats just in case they fallout with each other -all paid for by the Taxpayer.
Maybe these are the kind of people you should be targeting.

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Work or lose your council home, could be work or lose your benefit.
I know of someone that went to sign on to continue to receive his benefit since he has a heart condition and is not fit to work, otherwise he would be working.

He was told "we have to get you back to work or you will lose your benefits" followed by "we have a job on some pens digging" :confused::confused:

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That is a bit of a sweeping statement Blazey, as the vast majority of the people on this forum that I have met are actually working or retired after many years of working and in no way favour living off benefits.

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I have never had any healthy start vouchers for my kids, you dont have to be a single parent to recieve them you just have to be unemployed or doing voluntary work, maybe both of your boyfriends parents were unemployed or not paid for their work when they recieved them, on the other hand if your on a low income you can get a certain amout of money off your milk at the health centre, i think its £1 or £2, but im not sure if they still do this

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I havnt posted much on here,but having read this thread i am compelled to post.
I used to live in a twin valley house and our neighbours where lazy sit on their bottoms and get some one else to pay for it kind of people.We had alot of trouble with them(smashing our car up,excessive noise parties etc)The HA wouldnt do any thing abut it.
I was told in a quiet corner by a neighbourhood group member that they wouldnt do anything because it would cost them money and atleast with them in the house they where still getting there rent.
So it just goes to show if your getting benefits you can get away with more because there rent is guaranteed.Where as if you are working and paying your own way,you have to deal with the lazy lay abouts,Because you are a liability to them!!
Didnt mean to go on quit as much but it just annoys alot.This country is doomed and if i could afford it i would be on the first plane out of here.
Bernie x

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how can that be so lettie? when blazey knows it all.:rolleyes:

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Don't let the facts get in the way of generalisation :D

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Oh so so so so wrong!! the not doing anything bit I mean...if only you knew the problems we have persuing these cases...otherwise how would we(twin valley) have won an award for tackling Anti social behaviour!!??!!

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Ah well perhaps its self employment thats done it? My boyfriends dad a joiner, and I have a friend at uni who is from what I consider a wealthy family but she still gets a lot of things I get due to her dad being self employed, so the income is considered different.

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The government makes sweeping statements and generalises people, thought we were conditionalised to it. Maybe I can generalise even better than Labour, so maybe I should run against them in the next election and you can just give me all your votes instead and I can make generalisations about unemployed, immigrants, working class, upper class and we can turn the forum into an international one and call it Blazeyweb instead.

Shame I am so rubbish at politics, though I don't really think that matters much judging on Gordon Brown and his puppet show. Surprising how many people vote for labour and then whinge about it afterwards. Maybe they've brainwashed you all? Would explain a lot :D

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I’ll grant you that I do not have first hand experience but with 4 children and 11 grandchildren most of whom are experiencing today’s living problems I have second hand experience.

What you do with your life is no concern of mine but at least you got the OPPORTUNITY to go to university. People of my generation and the following one NEVER got that opportunity unless ‘daddy’ had loads of money and they had real grey matter that enabled them to go to a Grammar School. The pressure of contributing to the family finances forced many kids to go to work at 15. Bright kids who, but for the lack of family funds, could have done well for themselves at university.

I will not condemn a man or woman who tries to do the best for themselves and their family if it means that total benefits add up to more than they would get at work.

The government can work ‘miracles’ if they got their priorities right and stopped wasting billions.

You are just a SNOB!

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As far as I know the rent for private accommodation is not paid in full. The amount that is paid is the amount that the Council would charge for similar property.

Where do you think all this private accommodation came from? Most would be repossessed when the mortgage holder was no longer able to pay the mortgage and was sold off for the best price to clear the outstanding mortgage. There are many reasons why someone could not keep up the mortgage but for many it would be down to job losses, because of ‘downsizing’ to increase profits.

Buying repossessed property to rent out is big business these days.

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We had video footage of it happening,4 months worth of log sheets of the abuse we had and there where 3 other houses,that where saying the same thing.
We phoned the police out 4 times and was still told,every one needs some where to live!
We are now living in private rented and couldt be happier :D
Bernie x

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Believe me jambutty she is NO snob:rolleyes:

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There are mature students in their 50's who are on the same course as me, making up for the fact that they couldn't go to university then. So at least you have the ability to go now and learn something. Its not my fault you didn't get to go is it?

I get the impression that a lot of the abuse aimed at me for being a student is just some sort of bitter resentment because I'm just somewhere you were restricted from going. I mean, i'm treated like the devil incarnate for being at university and being a student, yet I find it highly unlikely that you'd treat your children and grandchildren the same if they were at university.

As Panther says, I am not a snob. I think she misunderstands the use of the word though but nevermind. I just think its a disgrace to advocate being on benefits instead of working for less than £6 an hour and I have no doubt that if I had started this thread and made such a statement I'd be getting abuse hurled at me.

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lol...chelle stop trying to act clever you numpty, all these big words you come out with, funny how ive never HEARD you say them.......try being yourself for a change, ya never know people may start to like ya;)

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I am liked, though I guess it depends who you think I want to like me? Do you think it matters to me if you and jambutty like me? And where was the 'big word' in the sentence you quoted. You haven't spoken to me for 3 years. What would you even know about me? You might be my godmother, but you dont know a single thing about me.

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i know alot about ya;), more than you think;)

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Oh well how exciting. Shame I'm boring as hell. I study constantly, eat way too many omelettes for a normal person and I dont drink, smoke, or do drugs. I have the messiest bedroom in existance right now so I am spending my evening tidying up whilst my housemates go and get drunk. You know i'm a natural blonde, which I am proud of though I dye my hair dark, and I wear glasses, which I also enjoy. I have a boyfriend, equally boring, works all day, plays computer games all night.

I have a boring life, its hardly juicy, so you may know loads about me, but its hardly gold.

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After reading some of the posts on here its left me feeling a little, how can I put it, like im frowned upon, looked down on and just like all the other people living in "housing association" house and claiming benefits. I am a single mum of 2, I worked until I was 7 1/2 months pregnant (had to stop then because I couldnt reach my desk or drive) I then never returned to work as I wanted to raise my babies, not stick them in a nursery for someone else to do it. At this time my husband (now nearly ex husband) used to support us as a family. After we seperated I had no choice but to claim benefits and also move into housing ass. house. My veiws still havent changed, I dont want a nursery or childminder raising my twins, that is my job as their mother. I dont like it how people seem to stereotype all single mothers or all people who claim benefits and dont work. Just having a whinge really but feel like im being generalised with every other person not working. But whether you live in "council" or private house and you dont work and claim benefits then the council pay your rent anyway so why just "attack" those that live in a council house

Em

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Unfortunately the biggest problem we have are the judges at eviction hearings.... I think you will find the line ...everyone needs somewhere to live coming out of their mouths on a regular occurance!!! It frustrates the hell out of us as we are often left powerless...something which has changed dramatically since the "Anti social behaviour dept" was set up and the staff all have police accreditation which gives them more powers to act

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Emzy, stop taking this thread so personally....The welfare state is there to help those in genuine need,and for the forseeable future it seems like you might be one of those.
You DID have a job prior to your pregnancy, and must have paid into the system.
I am sure at some point in the future you will want to return to work.
I have no gripe with those whose need is genuine.......I do, however object to paying my taxes for people who never want to work, expect all the good things of life to be handed to them as if it is their right.

The welfare state should be seen as a helping hand, not a deal for life.

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Thanks, worked for 8 yrs before having the boys, and will be going back to work at some point just it wounds like some people are getting at everyone in that situation when im not one of those to sit on my bum and scrounge, just bugs me lol

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Most people will have a point in there life where circumstances change everything. Don't let it bother you. If people think they are better than you then let them think it. Their day will come :rolleyes:

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I take things to heart, am a lovely (but paranoid) person lol

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I agree with that. We never know what life is going to throw at us, or when we will need that helping hand.

I think that when you are used to being independent it is a hard knock to have to hold out your hand for some help.
Emzy, your babies won't be babies for very long, and pretty soon you will be able to get back to some kind of 'normality'.

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I dont think the Prime minister and his cronies have a high chance of that happening to them, so I think you are wrong there, they're always going to treat people on benefits that way.

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Emzy was talking about the attitudes of people on here.

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Blazey, MP's and the Prime minister aren't actually a majority are they?
And I'm not sure if any of them are actually renting council property.....and don't they see politics as a bona fide job?

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Well I dont recall seeing anyone say they were better than anyone on benefits unless I missed something.

As for being the majority margeret, whats the majority got to do with anything. It seems the majority ARE already dependent on some form of benefit anyway.

Its the PM and the rest of them who have set up this idea to punish people in council houses, not this forum. They're the ones generalising far more than anyone on here could, and they're the ones you should feel angry at.

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i'm treated like the devil incarnate
Do you mean advocate and do they teach English at the uni i helped to build

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I cant believe you just asked that. It would've been brilliant if it had really been a misuse of English but if you search on google the meaning of the devil incarnate you will see what I mean.

Saying that I'm often the Devils advocate too so I might as well be that aswell lol.

Well done on helping to build the uni though, which bit did you work on?

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The bit that's built in Flemish Bond

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Hmm i cant think which bit that is... how long ago was it? I'm thinking maybe that my college is built like that but I cant say for certain. Its funny how you can go somewhere every day but not remember what the bricks are like lol. Will take a look tomorrow and see :D

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Must be 40yr's ago by now-still get up to Lancaster though got a lot of mates up there,Brought up in Skerton for 9yrs.

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I'm thinking its bowland and the faraday lecture theatre and things like that, but I cant be certain. I think a lot of the place is brick but whether its flemish bond I cant say without looking. I cant say ive ever paid that much attention to the brickwork to notice!

And you didn't say sorry for being sarcastic about the devil incarnate when I meant exactly what I said. Though your a man so I can understand if you cant bring yourself to admit you were wrong.

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Thanks for the man bit-but I still don't think you're the devil reborn

-more an advocate and are we not digressing from the thread.
And isn't it time you finished your homework and went to bed

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the firsts bit true, but i dont think the second one is......your always on ere:rolleyes:

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I'm sure you understand the concept of multi-tasking. If I wasn't studying I wouldn't be still in uni now. There is no time for fun and games when you have the workload I have.

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My facebook account says I'm satan :p if facebook says it it must be true

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Only when a man attempts it.