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Why throw stones at a funeral hearse? One day it could be you in the cars behind, your mum or dad in the hearse, would you like stones to be thrown at your mum or dad? One day it could be you that is in the hearse - would you like to have stones thrown at you?

This is sick. Its disgusting. Where is the respect nowadays. My mum & dad always said if you are walking down the street when a funeral passes stop and bow your head - show respect even though you may not know them.

Was i brought up the old way were you showed respect for your elders? You let them get on in front of you at the bus stop, opened doors and held them open until they went through, was polite saying please and thank you.

When spug was down we were talking one night and he said its our fault that teenagers are like they are today. We are the ones that have brought them up so we are the ones who have taught them not to have respect for their elders. We were brought up to have respect, a clip round the earhole if we didnt do what we were told, and its our kids in some cases grandkids who are the ones who are now running riot on the streets. He also said it was the 80's era that was the me me me generation and now we are paying for it.

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I'm 27 and was brought up to stop as a hearse went by
Although I do not expect my children to do this I do teach them to respect their elders with their please thankyou's and the no you 1st kind of behaviour, which is just common courtesy to anyone
As for the "clip round the ear" I have a friend that has a teenage son (mine are only young) he has on many occasion said, "if you touch me I am goin to social services!"
This is in response to his mother saying "Carry on lad n you gonna get a clip round the ear"
So I do believe that some parents do all they can with their children, but then they are your children and you should just carry on trying to do what is best

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He's right of course it's all your faults. I'm excused cos I have no children.
I've discussed this with spugs before, and it's commonly know as thatchers children. Self self self. I can do it , it's my right , so I will do and f u . No respect, no morals, and now it's passed on to their children and the damage is done. I don't see how we can re-educate these parents and their off spring now.

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I think that could have been worded better Jen. Who is the 'we' you talk about ?:rolleyes:

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spug!!!

You know i have no kids!!! We as in meaning the parents of the teenagers as in 30 and 40 year olds now who are the parents of teenagers. Ok i know that not all teenagers are the ones throwing stones, vandals etc but it is our generation that have brought these kids up. Spug also said another thing was that we (our generation) got the clip round the ear, got grounded etc so vowed not to bring our kids up that way - im never going to hit my kids etc.

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I didn't mean you personally when I asked who the 'we' are, I presume you mean society in general. However just like any group of people it's the bad ones who get the headlines, it sells papers ;)

For every yob who walks the streets of Britain there are probably thousands of well behaved polite children. They won't get any recognition for that though and neither will the parents :)

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That is a very valid point. I think there are more of the wrong sort than there used to be and they do more obnoxious things, because they can, but there are still plenty of decent kids around, largely unnoticed because they behave properly.

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Lack of parental control and respect is half the problem. The legal parent/guardian should be held liable in law for any crime committed by a minor.

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Kids have no respect for any authority whatsoever, be it parents, teachers or police, now this is the society we are left with and its getting worse and will not get any better until we instill discipline like we had back in the sixties, and get rid of all the dogooders

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Whilst agreeing to a certain extent, the legal system is an ass so I'm not sure that would work anyway. Why shouldn't teenagers think they can get away with it when they see the adults/parents taken to court and given an African Safari or World Cruise. :confused:

What would be better is if we stopped the media reporting the rubbish and starting to reward/publiscise the good kids :)

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good idea;)

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Labour government under Tony Blair as brought us Abso's, Chavs and binge-drinking, disrespectful, immoral teens. I sometimes feel ashamed to be British!!

little bastards need a good hiding, and sent to boot camp!, if they know that WE the adults can slap the little ****s then there wont be half the trouble there is now, kids today only say 'you cant touch me i'll sue ya'
.....ya wanna bet??

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I was going to mention that. Ex said she wouldn't ever hit her kids, which I thought strange and would never work, but she says it has and from what I could gather her kids seemed decent and well behaved. Do you think physical disipline is necessary to teach children right from wrong? If I had my own in the future I don't think I'd use it, I'd try other methods of punishment.

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There do not appear to be any boundaries that these feral teens and children will not cross.......children have to have boundaries set for them.....who will do this if their parents don't do it?
All children will try to test boundaries, but today there just don't seem to be any boundaries.

Respect is not something that you can add onto a childs education......it has to be taught from babyhood....and really the people who most influence a child are its parents.

I was in town recently when a young woman in charge of a child of roughly 2 years of age, (who hadn't got hold of the childs hand) shouted at the child 'Are you F*****G stupid' when the child strayed into the path of a car on the car park......now that wasn't respect for the child,(after all it really wasn't the childs fault) and the child is going to grow up thinking that this is behaviour that is acceptable.

No parenting skills= no discipline= no respect = anarchy.

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When i was a kid, if i did wrong i got a clout for it, no i wasnt beaten up, i got the slap that stung. I have never commited a crime, i dont get into trouble and i dont go out looking for trouble, i respect my folks and they did the best for me, to me they have done well at bringing me up, i dont tell people to F off or stick my fingers up and go around smashing things especially when i was a kid, because i knew it was wrong, so if you can fetch your kid up without giving them the odd slap, especially when they pull a trantrum, dont do as they are told etc....etc.....then good for you:rolleyes:

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Must admit I agree, in the school yard recently i overheard a mother call her child a little b***h because she was playing up, very tempted to open my mouth but didnt.

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Abd this I think, strikes to the vary root of the problem. Of course children do not have respect if they are not shown any.

This is the reason why so many children arrave, at five years old, at school completely out of control.l
This also the reason those three thugs kicked a guy to death for daring to tell them off for damaging his car!

Parents have to accept the blame and if they do not they must be made to do so.

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agree,but would question,what Authority?

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Cashy, I would have to say the authority of any adult, but primarily it has to be parents......if the parents exert no authority then the child/teen will not respect any authority.

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parents obviously aint got any, if an earlier post is owt to go off, eg,clip me round the ear n i'll call social services, how the hell can a parent show authority to brats like that?

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By starting to lay boundaries before this can happen.....i.e. while they are still toddlers.
It is never too early to let children know who is in charge.

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Parents should also back teachers who are prepared to ensure firm disciplinary rules are upheld......not threaten to sue them for perceived 'trauma' to their psyche.

The real trauma to a childs psyche is when the mother or father calls them 'effing stupid'......but of course that doesn't count, because in their way, that is their version of discipline....shouting obscenities.

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agree margaret, but once they get to school,peer pressure can kick in, n it would take a very gutsy kid,not to give in to it. thing is for whatever reason,its a differant world to the one we were brought up in.

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Yes, you are right, but is there not a quotation that goes something along the lines that if you traina child to the way it should go, then it won't deviate from that way.......also if more parents had the guts to say NO to their children and mean it, then perhaps we would get somewhere.

I think it is a small proportion of feral youngsters, that give lots of good children a bad name.........and we reward these feral youngsters with trips away.....Ipods and such.......to my way of thinking this is not the way forward.......they should get nothing and the children who do well should be the ones who are rewarded.
Perhaps my thinking is very old fashioned.

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It's when the peer pressure kicks in that even the good parents can be desparate for help, then the system fails pathetically because there is no help.

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We should be looking at why the system fails, and then address those failures......it is too easy to shrug your shoulders and say there is nothing that can be done.

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most ordinary folk know why the system fails, its the fools that make the legislation,tariffs etc that dont see it.

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Spot on Mr C :D

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And those who make unenforceable laws.
And not forgetting the namby pamby social do gooders.

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I think it is called 'Tough Love'.

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and who are the people who make them unenforceable laws, dogooders, etc?

They are my generation and older.......

Ok i started something didnt i with this.

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OK I concede defeat, if you really insist we will blame you and Spug for the whole damn mess :D

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I totally agree with you, Margaret. It really annoys me when parents go marching in to school to demand a showdown with the teacher who has dared to discipline their child.

They should be backing the teacher up and working together as a team.

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Politicians are always talking about 'Basic Values' but they wouldn't know a basic value if it bit them on the nose.
Basic Values were when the local bobby would give you a clip round the earhole, then take you home and tell your parents.....and you would get another for bringing disgrace on the family.......there is no shame or disgrace in any bad behaviour today......instead youngsters see it as being almost laudable.

Basic Values were when you were given the cane at school and then went home and told your parents and you would get it again for being in need of punishment at school.

This was how we were treated as children, and far from causing us lasting damage, it taught us that whatever you do, there are consequences......if you don't want to pay the price then you kept out of trouble.

Maybe some children are badly behaved because they do not get enough attention......if you are in trouble all the time at least you have a couple of folk on your case....trouble is they are social workers with heads full of jolly robins.

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Can remember them days margaret - and it hurt as well!!!! :D

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You are right Jen, but it was a deterrent, and it kept a lot of us(who could have gone bad ways) out of trouble.
These days there is nothing (official)to act as a brake on bad behaviour.
So I guess it is down to as many parents as possible to show their authority from the moment the baby is put in their arms.

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But thats what i was saying about our generation, we were brought up with them rules etc, and when they said i'd never hit my kids - like we were clipped round the earhole etc, i wont say no to my kids i'd discuss it with them why they cant etc.. Now we are reaping the rewards of saying no and not getting a clip round the ear

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but ya clip em round the lug hole n yer in a world of grief if they report ya to social services,that happened to my late mate.:( actually had a policeman knock on his door.

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Well, I thought I was pretty abysmal at the parenting lark, but I did administer discipline....and i never ever threatened to do something unless I was prepared to carry out my threat. I laid down the rules, and we played by the rules.
It was hubby who was the soft one......my daughter always knew that what I said, went.
Yes she did test the rules, and she paid the price.
Now she is using the same firm discipline with her children.