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Go on il start it off - The Mosquito - for or against?
Been in the news this morning, I have mixed views. On one hand, I think that its a bad thing as it only moves a wider problem. On the other hand, we hear lots of talk about human rights, but never those of the innocents. What about the human rights of Gary Newlove, or the little old lady that gets beaten up outside her local shop where gangs congregate. Food for thought...
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What's the Mosquito Mike ?
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Call To Ban Anti-Social Teenager Mosquito Devices |Sky News|UK News
Its a device that only young people can hear - it puts out a high pitch buzzing sound that is apparently vey unpleasant. Shop keepers have started buying them to put outside their shops - From their point of view, the kids vanish and the grown up customers cant hear a thing. |
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Thought it was a joke to start with says it is only audible to under 25s,what happens when you reach your 25th birthday...you suddenly cant hear it?
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Seems as you get older you cannot detect high frequency of sound ? Having said that I have this oven, which ever since I got it has been emitting a high frequency noise ... I can hear it but brother could not, so maybe we don't all lose this. Can it cause any long term damage to the ear drums do you know ? |
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The mosquito is all about irritating the ears so you don't hang around, hence them being used outside areas where there has been problems with youth nuisance.... it doesn't hurt...I know as although I am over 25 I can still hear them due to a tonal deficiency in my ears and being sensitive to high pitch sounds and also having intermittant tinitus..
funny thing is I can hear dog whistles too :D cue jokes :p |
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Would think a little more research is necessary, as HR said are people with ear conditions it could affect. Doesn't sound very pleasant at all. |
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Anyway - I think there is a danger if they are available to the public at large - anyone could stick them on the front of their houses like burglar alarms (and we know the trouble they can cause!). I do think however that if a shop for instance has had a track record of problems with gangs hanging round (and in my job I get to know all about it) then they should be able to apply either to the Police or local authority to explore this option if appropriate. I do however worry that its a much larger problem. |
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anything that tries to tackle the bad behaviour of the youth today is a bloody good idea to me
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dont think enough research has been done into this device, how it affects babies,people with hearing disorders,etc, also think that the people who come up with these ideas,seem to be accepting nothing else can be done, i can never accept that. think if punishments were severe enough,there would be much less need for them,the bottom line is punishments need to be adequate for whatever crime is commited, if that was focused on,i feel sure it would have the support of the majority.
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I think its stupid to say you can put an age range on hearing certain tones. I remember when I was younger there was this constant beep i could hear, very faintly and really high pitched. I used to think it was natural to hear the noise and one day there was a news paper report saying the beep had finally been stopped and those who could hear it would finally be able to sleep. I thought it had been absolutely normal to hear high pitched beeping lol.
Also, it reminds me of the dog collars you can get that beep so high pitched that only the dog can hear and its meant to shut them up. |
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This is yet another example of the outdated Victorian attitude of punishing the whole class for the sins of the few.
Although the problem of youth is growing year by year the miscreants are still a small proportion of the total. For every yob hanging around a street corner or a shop doorway there are hundreds, maybe even thousands, that are not. So yes this device should be at least regulated but preferably banned. In any case it just moves the problem to somewhere else. But then that is also a sign of the times – “if it doesn’t affect me I’m not bothered” is the current attitude. Youths will still congregate around shops etc and stick an iPod in their ears to drown the mosquito noise. And as was reported this morning some enterprising person has arranged this noise as a mobile ring tone. So now they can get messages in a classroom and the teacher will not know because s/he cannot hear it. The real problem isn’t that they hang around places but WHY. |
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Besides, its far easier to risk your phone vibrating than a silly high pitched noise that the teacher might hear. I like the idea of punishing all in some cases, and in this one, nobody should be hanging around outside the shop so it doesn't matter if it punishes all. As somebody else mentioned, the effect on babies needs to be looked into, as some people still leave their prams outside shops if the shop is too small/doesnt allow prams inside. I've never bothered to stand around outside a shop, that was never my thing. I don't know any shops where anyone still does it. In ossy most young people seem to hang around at the war memorial and the benches near the co-op, and both these places are not ideal for the mosquito, and so doesn't solve any problems in Oswaldtwistle. Back to the drawing board |
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There are about on a average 70 young people go to the new era youth club on a good night they start waiting outside at 6 00 clock it opens at 7 they go in pay 25 pence for football cyber space pool watch dvds and by 7 30 they are all outside in the rain saying they are bored
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This 'device' however should not be allowed to be used in public places, if the noise generated by it effected older people rather than 'the yoof', there would be public outcry, it is punishing all the young for the misdeeds of a minority which isn't supposed to be the way our country conducts itself. |
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Come on blazey, you are spouting for the sake of saying something rather than thinking what you are on about. You must have your say even if it is nonsense. Then you go on showing concern for babies. I suppose that your comments would qualify for coming under the heading of oxymoron. You are just being contrary and argumentative for the sake of it. |
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Obviously you could be stood outside a shop doing no harm but if your friend decides to cause problems then yes, do something that punishes EVERYONE who stands outside shops so it doesnt happen again. Obviously if you aren't there with your friend who commits the crime then no, 10 years in prison is stupid. Thats just a stupid example to use. There is no need for ANYONE to be stood outside a shop, and so the mosquito deters EVERYONE, whether they are causing a nuisance or not. Whilst I think the idea of punishing all in this sense is a good way of deterring the behavior and putting a stop to it, I voted BAN on this poll, which is obviously anonymous to you, because I think the mosquito idea itself is not fully thought through, hence why i mentioned the effects on babies who often have no choice but to be left outside a shop. |
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When they say younger people can hear higher frequencies and that people over 20 or so can't hear it they are working on what Doctors etc. have found to be the general case and just as some people start losing the ability before that 'general' age, there are others that are lucky enough to still able to hear the higher frequencies beyond that age, but when everything is averaged out it works out to be the 'normal' way for we mere mortals. I don't expect you to believe me, you never do, so go google the facts for yourself.:D |
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Il have to log into this after tea, right now I have to go and get beat at football :) |
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I also said OFTEN have no choice. |
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How about withdrawing every person’s Incapacity Benefits because of the few fraudsters? That is no different. Sadly all schools use this practice, or should that be malpractice, but all it does is alienate the students. They don’t grass up the miscreant in the hope that s/he will be so ashamed that they don’t do it again, but because if anyone does, that person will then become the pariah of the group. Or alternatively the troublemaker is either the class bully or one of his/her lieutenants so no dares to speak up. In this country it is every person’s RIGHT to walk or stand and talk on any PUBLIC land and that includes the pavement in front of a shop or your own front door for that matter. Ever heard of window-shopping? Imagine, if you can, a 12 years old has got some birthday money and is stood outside the shop window trying to decide on what to spend it on. Is it fair that his/her ears should be assailed with a disagreeable noise? The answer has to be an unequivocal NO! No matter how you dress it up targeting everyone for the actions of a few can never be right, regardless of your protestations. You just won’t admit it. |
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If we applied the same principle to other issues then the undisputed Super Middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe is not champion because he didn’t fight everyone in the world. You really do need a reality check. |
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It used to be that when people were making a nuisance of themselves, the bobby on the beat would take care of the situation. Just as you say, jambutty.....punish all for the sins of the minority. |
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Shoot! I thought this was about moskies ... real ones, like those in Manitoba that need runways to land and take off ...
I don't like the idea about punishing all for the sins of one or two ... not only that, the idea is a favorite of the French, (pour encourager les autres, or something like that) and we all know they don't know s**t about anything. |
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It's plain and simple discrimination.
If it was a case that some females suddenly started causing a nuisance by standing outside shops and there was a device that only affected females with the same effect as the Mosquito there is no way in hell it would be implemented. Same case if say some black people started causing a nuisance and the device only affected black people. Sexist, Racist but not Ageist ? |
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What did you expect me to say? Something like get down girl :rolleyes: Sorry to disappoint you but I will stay quiet on the subject. If we ever have another meet she would only slap me anyway. |
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They are indiscriminate, they irritate everyone within the younger age group, be they teens, toddlers, babies or disabled. They don’t solve any problems, just move them 50yards farther away, giving the problem to some other person.
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I heard this on the tv this morning too, i disagree with it really, on the grounds that no doubt this noise would upset my boys (18 months old) its not fair on those that are doing no wrong. I would agree if it was only being used when groups were causing a problem but do they use it like this or is it a constant noise? But its true that others would suffer when they are doing no wrong and this isnt fair. I still think that some of the younger ones get away with too much and am sure a good crack of their parents / responsible adult would have a bit more of an impact than an irritating noise
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I don't like the idea about punishing all for the sins of one or two. Exactly. Punish the perps. |
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Anyway, I have voted a No, No on this subject, even though the answer is 'Yes' to ban... :rolleyes: Careful how you word polls Mike, can be misleading. Strange how we have double standards on here, one minute grumbling how our kids don't go out to play anymore, then grumbling 'cause they are ! I have no objection to teenagers hanging on street corners in general, as long as they are not being troublesome or disturbing other people. Suppose the reason they hang around shops sometimes in Winter is due to the light they emit and feeling more secure. Ok, there are the ones that 'cause bother, but plenty that don't. |
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I seem to remember a few years ago that one of the strip malls in the city played easy listening music ... lots of Barry Manilow ... over outdoor speakers. This seemed to keep the teens from hanging around after the stores closed. But there are those who might think that this is cruel and unusual punishment.
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Guess women's brains work t'other way around .. :pbiggrin: |
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Back on thread: More play on enforcement please, although selective .. not let's get 'em all to catch the guilty. Soft approach does not appear to have had any effect to some youngsters. |
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I agree with everything that has been said in here - which is actually killing me :cool:
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Using something that can be changed as an example of fact isn't really a good example in my opinion. |
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How many of your are aware of what the sound is like? As the majority of the thread cant hear the sound I'm just wondering how they can judge on whether it should go or not? As far as I can see you have only been told its an 'irritant'.
As I have said already, I doubt there will be much use for them in Ossywood because our teens are too far evolved from Darwener's to stand around outside shops, they've got sense and hang around places they can sit. I don't think its harmful to babies any more, I heard the sound this morning. I also don't think it will work as a deterrent to teenagers, I think it would be quite easy to get used to. http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/audio/mosquito_sound.mp3 You can download it here off the bbc website. |
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All I know from listening to Radio 4 is that where it has been tested and piloted, it has worked in discouraging the younger generations from loitering where it operates. Apparently it's quite loud but I have never heard one when deployed (if I can even hear a real one)
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I wish they would invent one for dogs that didn't affect cats too
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I quite like the sound, reminds me when you can hear crickets at night (and you always can in my house) just a different bug :p
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the only thing i heard was someone talking
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At our local coop they have installed an outside speaker that plays classical music to deter the kids, i have to say it does work but only to the extent of moving the kids accross the road lol, it doesnt bother me as i live miles away from the shop but if i had to go to the shop at night i would feel intimidated by the kids that are outside, i dont know where they all come from.
back to the topic, i would not like to go into a shop and hear this noise everytime, nor is it fair on babies and toddlers |
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Dont see any problem with them being installed around places which sell booze , no reason for teens and babies in prams being there in the first place
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18 year old grandaughter was over last night and her friend came to visit. Didn't tell them what it was, but played it for them .. the friend recoiled heavily, said seemed to get in her throat .. held one ear and described it as the experience you get on an aircraft when landing. She went sickly for a while and turned snow white. It genuinely affected her quite badly. Didn't affect grandaughter as much, but again .. bad throaty feeling .. like nails being scratched down a blackboard.... aaaah .... :eek: The friend thought they had installed it at a local school and went off intermittently/automatically during the night to deter youngsters hanging about there after school closing hours ... this might not be too bad an idea, as shouldn't be there in the first place. |
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ive hard this stupid devise im 30 and i can hear it its very annoying so its not just for the teenagers they havent tested it properly
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It didn't affect me badly, I might put it on later and see if my thoughts change on it. I listened to it for about 2 minutes the last time and found no problem with it, but I didn't have it too loud, so I'll see if volume makes any difference. Maybe I'm immune, my rugby player housemate makes enough irritating noises, I just learned to filter them out :D |
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a usefull link to the mosquito ringtone site , you can check what frequency your ears are working at and download a "silent" ringtone
Mosquito Ringtones - Download the Mosquito Ring Tone Free |
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LOL, i couldnt hear the 39yr or younger and im 35!!, whats tthat tell me...lol....help im going deaf!
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Fantastic them Mosquito's, one of the best aircraft of World War 2.............:rolleyes:
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Just read in the local rag that a bar owner in Vancouver has installed a mosquito .... it might be a new trend over here. Not that we have a shortage of real moskies:eek:
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