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Following on from the Britcliffe/McCormack farrago. it would be interesting to know what members think.

As a result of this latest incident should Britcliffe resign; yes or no?

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he should resign anyway. can`t stand the pompous ( insert applicable word as you want)

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i cant vote on this because birtcliffe is not my cup of tea and erm i dont know if she is a silly moo:D:D:D:D

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i worship the ground PB. will be buried under,but resign over this NO, it happens regular in ALL politics not just local, most of em do wrong n then lie through there teeth denying it, councillors/MPs would be changing "Weekly" if this was a resignation issue.;)

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I agree with Bonnyboy don't particularly like Britcliffe, but don't think he should resign.

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Resignation, no
Made to apologise publicly, yes

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Is there no other evidence?

Has Katex a soiled navy dress, stored away in her wardrobe?

'I did not have sexual relations with that...silly cow.'

It's all too hilarious.

Personally I don't think it's a matter for resignation.

Politican caught out telling lies, suprise, suprise.

It would have been more newsworthy if he'd have had the balls to admit saying it.

It's quite frightening that the leader of our council has such a bad short term memory.

Oh well, perhaps he'll also 'forget' to stand at the next election...fingers crossed.

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Is this story offically now called Cowgate, or Cow and Gate?

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Remember the Profumo affair - he had to resign because he lied - not for his indiscretions

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yeh remember that was a possible "Russian" involvement though,quite a bit more at risk than some councillors dignity. that being " Profumo" bonnyboy posted inbetween lol

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It just shows how we have let standards slide in the past 40 years

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He was only stating his opinion of the allegedly insane lady with bovine attributes. That some disagree with him is only part and parcel of politics and no reason for him to resign.

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[QUOTE=garinda;534210]Is there no other evidence?

Has Katex a soiled navy dress, stored away in her wardrobe?

'I did not have sexual relations with that...silly cow.'

It's all too hilarious.

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:eek: Not quite sure what you mean here Garinda.

Yes, is all getting rather hilarious .. don't think a resigning matter at all, and think Cllr McCormack would have been better to have just replied: "I will just ignore the remark of Cllr Britcliffe calling me a silly cow and get on with the discussion to hand" or summat. Pointing it out at the time would have had far more impact on him, not to try it again. There again is difficult to think on your feet sometimes.

Think he should have owned up though, then we wouldn't be wasting our time discussing all this ... quite enjoyed it though .. :D

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Don't think he should resign because of that comment,he should resign because he is a bleep!

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I voted no.

The comment was innappropriate but then a lot of comments made by politicians are innapropriate and petty.

As for the lying, it's hardly even a shock and all politicians do it, and we'd have none left if all the liars stepped down.

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what i find difficult to grasp, some people think standards are slipping? utter Tripe, politicians n the councillors etc, have ALWAYS lied, in all the years ive known (which is a fair few) surely no-ones that naive n gullible to think they have only just started.:confused:

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i voted yes but would have done regardless of his silly cow comment anyway

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Sorry. Just a veiled comparison to that other noted political fibber, Bill Clinton.

Anyway, you're much more glamourous than dowdy old Monica Lewinsky.;)

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I think its irrelevant, as I have heard today that the standards board have kicked it out, so no case to answer. you have to remember this is about the sixth time the Jones Boy has reported Britcliffe to the standards board and its the sixth time they've kick it out, that should tell you something about this man. I wonder If cllr Jones is now going to appologies to one of his own lady councillors for showing her up last week, when she ran out of a meeting in tears. I notice he hasn't mentioned that on here

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Oh sorry for being so dim .. course. Anyway, will forgive you as you made up with the flattery ... :D

Thought you might have been accusing me of having some sort of sexual relations with our esteemed leader.. even I am not that desperate... ;)

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I really don't think its an issue of resignation. Investigating it would have been a waste of tax payers money too.

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Although I feel Cllr McCormack was being a little over sensitive, can't say was a waste Cyfr. We all have the right to complain and good that there is a system in place to do so.

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This is true, but for something so petty (not that I condone what was said) I don't feel its appropriate, I think it's right it was thrown out.

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I've just read the 'Observer'. Peter Britcliffe has NOT denied he referred to Councillor McCormack as a "silly Cow", he has merely said he cannot recall having said it, as this term is not in his vocabulary.

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then thats not just 1 lie,but 2, as those who heard it will testify.:D

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This is nonsense. I reported him once only. He insisted at every public meeting that the bus station was staying on Peel Street. The bus operators then (and still do) refuse to speak to that man. He had/has a shop on Infant Street. He should have declared it and left the room.

The Standards Board Agreed and gave Britcliffe a severe warning. However the constitution of Hyndburn had been watered down and the advice from the SB to me was this could proceed no furthur as Mr Britcliffe had not broken one of his own rules.

Mr Britcliffe then ran to the papers and proclaimed he had been found innocent. That's not what the SBE had said and the report is still in my office. So I would be careful what you say JAYSAY. The truth has always hurt you and will continue to do so so long as you pander to petty party politics and personal political friendships rather than speak as an honest resident.

AND CONTRARY to your jump in with two feet views. We do not discuss, organise, have a group decision on personal matters like this. Cllr McCormack (ring her to check if you doubt) made her own decision and no-one else got involved. So to suggest it was the Labour Party as a Group decision is a made up lie and one phone call would have cleared your mind on that.

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Well said. 2 lies.

I don't care much for the silly cow bit. Unpleasant, but I wouldn't have reported it. The history of abuse from Clr B to Clr McC led up to this, as well as excessive abuse towards women on the Council.

I am a man and I receive about three quarters the abuse Clr McC receives amazingly. I understand her position and she was, on balance, right to make the complaint. If it costs a small amount to get councillors focused on the job at hand, then it's money well spent. Shame the voters were conned into putting these deceitful there in the first place.

I thank Katex and ClaytonEnder for telling the truth and being there.

The issue has been like this for the 6 years I have been on the Council. Constant lies. This is hidden from the people of Hyndburn. This event however demonstrates for me what has been happening, and AccyWeb members honesty has shown that (at least on this issue) that some of us strive for the truth, and some of us strive for naked power.

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The only answer I would have expected from a very poor narcissistic Labour Politician

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Get a grip man, do you really think we are stupid enough to believe that she did not check with you first?

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BTW i voted NO, he should not resign. I don;t like Lies but there should be better ways to deal with this. After all the voters voted his crackpot brigade in and they have the right to serve no matter how bitter i feel about there conduct.

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Just like your best mate Britcliffe, has to resort to personal attacks!!!! Enough said.

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Possibly true but members of the Labour party have reported him quite a few times over the last few years.

Surely as leader of the Labour Group in Hyndburn you should know if your own party members are going to the standards board or are they doing it without your approval or without your knowledge?

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I voted yes, purely because he is untrustworthy, well, even more so than before !:o

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Unfortunatly Graham, I haven't seen Peter since May Day last year, and I have spoken to him three times, none of which were about politics, but our mutual love of Blackburn Rovers, now if you had said another councillor was my best mate it may have been nearer the mark

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I said a Group decision.

When you have an issue, you seek advice. I know she asked me. I thought on balance because of the abuse she had received that it would highlight the issue. I don't think she asked many others in the group and it was never discussed at Labour Group. We have better and more important things to talk about. It was and is a personal issue.

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You have voted no, so whats all the fuse about infact this poll was daft in the first place, because the only poll that matters is the one which takes place in May every year, not on an internet web site, infact I will not even be votting this year

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In that case Graham, if it was a personal issue why was it YOU who introduced it onto this web site, political double speak me thinks

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And that is because;
a) You don't want to vote, you've have no affinity to any party or politics. Your a man of the people, an innocent truthsayer OR,
b) There are no elections in your Ward, Immanuel?

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Because Clr B told lies. Read the initial post. You seem to only post party political views and never check any facts. You attack all progressives, such as Gayle. It's your job. When PB drops the letter off to the Ob via your house, you just sign it. You can recognise Peter's words, peters insider argument, a mile off. I am fed up of pandering to people who think they are the political elite and the rest of us should just shut up and play fairy.

Your man has been caught with his pants down to use an old fashioned saying, and he should own up!

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I don't think it has anything to do with his pants ... he's not Bill Clinton, (the man who convinced America that a blow job is not sex). But politicians are noted for blurting out things in debate. Our late PM, Pierre Trudeau, once told a member of the opposition to eff off in the House of Commons. Canadians thought this was ok, even funny. Unfortunately, he denied saying it, claiming that what came out of his mouth was "fuddle duddle." I still have a fuddle duddle coffee mug.

Question: are your council debates televised?

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Unfortunately not Eric, though some of them may make for interesting, slightly hysterical viewing ! ;)

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Your mouth wash ain't making it Graham your talkin B******* as usual, I have never or will never put MY NAME to any letter that isn't written by me, you can think what you like, I do have a hard copy of every letter I have ever sent to the press and if you like you can come round and I'll show you. It seems there is some kind of fixation with your lot, some one here actually thought that jaysay was Britcliffe. Be quite honest the truth is you can't get the better of PB politically, but don't despair Graham old son your not the first and you won't be the last who have tried an failed

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Answer B, no fooling you Graham is there, sharp as a button, outside the Council Chamber that is:p

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Oh Dear what have I let myself in for :(

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And what exactly is your current focus? From here it looks like taking every opertuneaty to poke your opposite numbers.

I voted for Peter. I have admitted it several times on here. I am not ashamed about it either. I think he is doing good things for Ossy. The latest being our four new CCTV cameras. One of which will hopefully reduce the anti social behavour I experiance on a regular basis with teenagers entering/exiting the park.

I have worked with Gayle for well over 12 months with the Friends of Rhyddings Park and I think very highly of her. I would however still have to vote for Peter should she stand against him again. Not because I don't think she would make a first class Councillor, I know she would. The reason is that I would not want to assist the Labour Party take control of HBC while you are still the leader.

You talk about honestly and not conning us, the voters, why don't you explain to us all about the rift within the local Labour Party since you became leader? Or maybe you would rather stay quiet and deny it exists.

Open and honest works two ways.

While we are talking about petty bickering will you be providing the Torys with some pictures for their campaign leaflets this time :D

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Bill is my hero, what a guy. I wonder if I can convince my wife the same thing :eek::rolleyes::D:D

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Not unless you you have a good divorce lawyer on hand:D

Our City Council meetings are televised on the local cable channel. Not too many people watch ... although, when the Council was debating spending $50 million dollars on a new sports and entertainment facility, it became more popular. If council are going to spend fifty million of our dollars they should be watched by as many taxpayers as possible As an aside, the facility opens today and I have tickets for the Tragically Hip concert tomorrow night.:dancedog::dancedog::dancedog:

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Didn't Mr. Jones refer to the Conservatives as a 'Shower of sh1te' on this very message board and then delete it? What on earth is he getting his knickers in a twist about because a fellow representative of the the electorate cannot recall using the term 'Silly Cow' ? Which is the more offensive ?

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but it is a well established fact that the conservatives are shower of sh1t where as it has yet to be established if the said lady is indeed a silly cow

lets face it any excuse to get rid of the old puff will do ,we have suffered from him enough :rolleyes:

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I think that all councillors should refrain from making personal remarks and insults and concentrate on the matters in hand but I won't hold my breath for that one. :D I did not witness this particular discussion but did witness unpleasant behaviour at the count for last year's elections.

At the time I was shocked but the more I read and hear, the more I have come to see that this is just the way it is for a lot of people in the political world. It shouldn't be though. It is very unpleasant.

I don't think that Peter Britcliffe should resign. As has been said, if all councillors guilty of calling others names were to resign there'd be no councillors left!

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Is that supposed to be a good or bad thing? :rolleyes:

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We'd have to have someone at the helm though, wouldn't we? Who would we have?

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Captain Birds Eye?

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Blimey, all these bruised egos.

Good job you didn't grow up queer round here.:D

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Jambutty?..

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...or people could pop in to Garth Dawson's to have their picture taken, the Observer could then print the photographs, and we could vote for who had the nicest face.

It would fill in the gap between the bonny baby/glasses wearer of the year/pets win prizes/ high school prom/first communion specials.

Plus more people would probably vote than they do in the elections, so it would be more democratic.

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yep , , then we could all sing ' abide with me' as the ship went down :D :D

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The last 6 or ten post are what Accy Web is all about, good knockabout fun, I'm not going to say another word on this, that is unless Mr. Jones pipes up again, then all bets are off:D:D

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I'm well up for that.. can I be on the panel :D

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Something tells me he might have better things to do with his time :)

I agree with the first bit. It's nice when people can have the banter and get on!

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Great idea garinda. But I am sure Graham Jones would be leader of the council, as he is face is much nicer than Peter Britcliffe's.

If more people attended the Council, Cabinet and other meetings, they would see just how badly Peter Britcliffe behaves. He fails to appreciate that not everyone in Hyndburn agrees with him (too put it politely).

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Not to put to fine a point on it claytonender, but thats politics, if everbody were in agreement all the time there would be no fun at all, on Accy Web, because there would be no point would there:D

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Mmmm .. yeh .. quite dishy actually ;)

This was my first introduction to a Council Meeting .. due to the fact was interested in the subject being discussed, however, now I find myself with a little more time, think I might just go to a few more... gotta' find some new hobby to keep me occupied.

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Not great idea rindiroo, the Council would be full of skinny blonde bimbos with big tats and firemen (firemen if the accyweb women voted anyway)

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I am rather interested in Grahams comments that HBC is more corrupt than people might realise. I have no dificulty accepting that Graham is a decent and honest man. Certainly his constituents seem to speak very highly of him, in the main. If that is the case then perhaps it is time that he did us all a favour and let a few of the cats out of the bag.

I am available through PM if you would prefer a more discrete tete-a-tete.

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It might not be within the law Robert

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Oh Graham, do go for a tête-à-tête.

We are dieing to know who A-b is.:D

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so is shreks but you have chosen to choose a donkey or should i say a propper ass ?

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And I would never get elected!!!!

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I think I'd be an EXCELLENT politician, I'm biased, I lie, I am modest... well I did say I lie, and I don't really care about the people of Accrington, I just want to have something to whinge about.

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Community spirit is alive and well :rolleyes::)

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Oh yes, and I forgot boring, a big thankyou to the rep happy person there for reminding me.

It is amazing how many people on Accyweb do not understand sarcasm. Forget teaching cooking in schools, they need to teach a bit more irony.

Of course, judging by how often some people are sat at their computers, they'd have to persuade you to actually move first. Maybe they could do a nice online learning course on sarcasm?

I openly accept I am boring, and of course it is a good quality to have if you want to be a politician. I genuinely don't think I'm enough of a 'silly cow' to get many people to vote for me in accrington, so i'd have to go national instead of course, but I think I could do it ;)

Am I being boring enough yet?

I do take it as a compliment :D

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I am offended at being compared to Aleks, but I shall grin and bear it.

:D

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What are you like at putting out fires? :p:D

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Lol do you still do that rep thing on here. I don't bother any more, if I checked the comments I'd never post again.

I'm more concerned about the sexism which is alleged goes on by the man and other councillors. silly cow is a sexist derogatory aimed at putting women down, and suggesting that being a woman makes them silly. Thats my interpretation of the comment anyway.

We still have some dinosaur councillors here that are like britcliffe, what they think will make them look good they'll push through, a good idea that the opposition suggests and will make them look good will be blocked regardless of whether it will be good for the constituents. If you'd voted gayle in you'd still have had cctv, but you'd have loads more too.

Think gayle is a lovely person, a person for the people.

councillors generally seem to fall into two camps, ones in it for the glory and power, and the others to better the town and make it a nicer place for people to live.

A calendar can say a lot about what a persons motives are. Even to an outsider like me.

Go to the meetings katex you'll constantly be shocked at bickering, slating, even fighting sometimes, as the power mad try to keep the people people as the underdogs so that they can score points against each other.

You'll also see that that the little groups that agree already know that they agree and know what each other is going to vote. This is because the do have group discussions before hand as to who will vote what, who will complain about what.

you may also find that contractors that get jobs are also friends of some councillors, they always seem to get the best value bid in as if they knew what to quote.
You can guarantee that those contractors are using machinery with well greased cogs.

It's fascinating katex it really is.

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I've been thinking about this and Cllr McCormack missed at trick -

When he said 'silly cow' to her, she should have retorted 'Moooove over darling'.

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I thought you would have followed that comment with a few smilies Gayle:D:D:D:rolleyes:

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I was smiling on the inside!

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I don't think he's that good looking ;):D

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He looks like he has aged rapidly in the last 2 or 3 years. Unless the first newspaper pictures of Graham I saw were as old as the one's Peter uses :rolleyes::D

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I personally think for 52 he looks quite good for his age but he's not good looking.. when women give men compliments their heads swell :D

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I hope he has changed his haircut.
wholesome rather than handsome

http://ww2.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/your_co...ils.asp?id=126

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He looks like Sloth off the Goonies in that photo Lol :D:D:D:D:D

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Checking my reputation is a bit of a ritual for me. Good rep normally means that I have said something controversial that people are afraid to publicly agree with me so they let me know privately and sometimes anonymously, bad rep normally means someone hates me for whatever reason, normally when I've said something completely reasonable that they cant actually put forward a solid argument against, and its normally anonymous.

I actually like both types of reputation because to me, both symbolise my value to the forum :D

And before someone gives me rep saying 'and you talk a lot of ****', yes, politicians are do that too, so you see, I would be a good candidate!

:alright:

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As that post followed mine, were you referring to me ?

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thats being totally disrespectful to Sloth Walkon:D:D

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Maybe we could start a new pole on whose the best looking bloke in Accrington :D