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paris n i ran into a couple of friends of mine this afternoon in town,both mid 60s the husband uses a walking stick due to poor health, they told us they were walking down Burnley Rd, approx 9-00 one evening about 2 weeks ago, when this yob charged inbetween em knocking her into a wall n snatched her handbag, her right elbow is still badly bruised (black) the yob never managed to take off with the bag even though the strap snapped, my friend beat him off with his stick, they then reported the incident to the police,only to be told - theres not enough evidence to persue this.:mad: they obviously went nuts about this, she wrote to the Home Office, and also Greg Pope, (perhaps Greg will clarify this?) greg responded, it is now deemed an offence, i advised her to seek advice, what the "Hell" is going on thesedays? when incidents like this are NOT being deemed an offence? it makes me wonder it perhaps now depends WHO is attacked? they are just 2 ordinary decent folk who never did anyone any harm. would the police look at this in a differant light if it was an immigrant who was attacked? i suspect they would. it dont give me any confidence in the law.:mad::mad:

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I work over the rd from where this happened
We were asked if we noticed anything
Unfortunately we couldn't be of any help
Sorry to hear that nothing was done for these people

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Well, according to this weeks Observer, they are being given lessons in Polish. So if this did happen to one of them, they would probably understand them better than they understand us now.

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Oh and sorry to hear about your friends cashy. I hope the numb scum will get his/her comeuppance

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thanks accylass, its the police saying not enough evidence to say theres been a crime,thats really wound me up. thats from 2 people thats getting on,n never seen the inside of a police station, if they cant believe folk like that,were on a bloody slippery slope.:mad:

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if a certain accyweb member finds out who- he will.

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it's surprising the police didn't tell them they shouldn't have been out and about at that time of night , but should have been home locked and barricaded in.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
hope the couple recover ok

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Obviously it's not nice to be robbed but how exactly would you prosecute something like this? If there was evidence, they would prosecute. Someone mentioned the police asked if they saw anything and nothing was seen. The police have done their job and can't do anything more.

And that's ridiculous to suggest that an immigrant would have better police support than another citizen. No evidence means no evidence. Even the worst lawyer would have the case thrown out in 30 seconds and the police would have wasted both time and money bringing whoever the couple blamed to court.

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the point is they said no evidence a crime has been commited, if they cannot take the word of 2 honest people 1 who had a badly cut n bruised elbow,then you my friend should be road sweeping not at uni.:mad:

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They're not denying a crime, they're basically saying they can't prosecute on the evidence they have. Only an idiot would say there was no crime committed full stop.

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did you read what i said? "they have no evidence a crime has been commited" as Greg Pope can verify if he cares to comment,:rolleyes:unless of course you know better.

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The fact that the police are using the word "evidence" in that sentence implies a legal connotation rather than a literal one. A better interpretation might be "they have no damning, watertight evidence submittable in a court of law that a crime has been committed by a particular individual". They're not saying that they can't see that the two people in front of them are angry and hurt victims of crime, they're saying that from a legal perspective there's not enough to incriminate any specific individual.

To be fair, it does sound like a fairly vague case and I can understand why it would make you angry. Maybe I'm too much of an apologist for the establishment.

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so in that case, at that point the police did not persue that yob, therefore that gives him free range to attempt to rob others, the next person may not be as lucky.

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From what Cashy has told us of the incident it seems to me that there is ample evidence available that at least three crimes have been commited , two assaults (one causing injury) and the attempted theft of the lady's handbag , there might not be enough evidence available to secure a conviction , but there is enough to make it a reportable crime and as such it be noted and shown in the crime stats for that particular area as an unsolved crime ,
;)

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How do you persue him? In an ideal world that would be the right course of action but I imagine the best description the victim could give was along the lines of a stereotypical teenage tracksuit mugger - and with no other objective witnesses the process would be incredibly difficult. Don't get me wrong, justice definitely wasn't served here, but I'm just not sure how much more action could conceivably be taken under the circumstances.

Edit: I agree, it should definitely go down as an unsolved crime - did it not?

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There's no evidence other than a bruise.
The police can see that a crime has taken place, Three as you say, but there's no evidence. There's no evidence a crime has been committed so even if they catch the git that did it, there's no crime to answer to. All they need to say is they ran past her, got caught on her handbag and therefore knocked her into the wall. If they'd stolen the handbag and dropped it up the street then that may be different.

Same happened to me and the ex in a club over Birmingham, we decided to have the last dance together and left her jacket over the dance floor banister, each of us watching it as we smooched round, horrible yob waited till my back was turned and thought ex would be too dozy, made a mistake though didn't he cos she was watching and was over like a rat up a drainpipe. He dropped it run towards the door and said oh sorry it caught it as i was passing and it fell off. He tried to steal it but no proof.
I know its wrong, I agree it's wrong but British law is full of technicalities.

Police do look at it differently if its an immigrant because they're frightened immigrant will play the race card.
Unfortunately it's also far more likely to be an immigrant and/or coloured to be doing the crime according to statistics.

I hope your friends are well soon cashman, wounds heal however I know from experience the memories do not. I think crimes of this nature need custodial sentences and therefore I don't agree with custodial sentences for fraud etc, these should be dealt with by paying money back and community service so as to freen up places for criminals who use force and violence, often just for the fun of it or because they don't like the look of someone.

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If no crime is committed it will not effect the Police crime statistics. I bet you can guess now why they did not want to class it as a crime.

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Exactly my thoughts, Neil! Could it be that they have received orders from "on high" not to record certain crimes, so that the Home Secretary can proudly announce that recorded crime is falling...or am I being too cynical as usual? ;)

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It seems that the Police are much more concerned with "Organised Crime", for which read "anyone attempting to grow cannabis at home". This gives them the opportunity to get out the dressing up box and have dramatic and really exciting early morning raids where they get to smash someones front door down and do a lot of really impressive shouting and posing, just like they do in the movies; well it makes a change from hanging around lay-by's all day with a speed camera.

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yes it was recorded as an unsolved crime- not immediatly though, forgot to mention the ladys glasses were also smashed in the incident, how do you persue him? i may be old fashioned but i thought a patrol car scouring the area, would at least have some effect if the yob was still in the area.:confused: i maintain there was plenty of evidence a crime was commited! i also maintain that the polices job once establishing this was to attempt to GATHER more evidence if possible, if lucky enough to convict, how they have the gall to continually play the "community support" card is well beyond me.:confused:Rosencranz i suspect you may not be an apoligist for the establishment in a few years time, if you ever are unfortunate enough to encounter "no justice"

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When I first read cashy's post I thougt to myself, its a wonder that the police didn't issue a caution to the chap for hit the thug with his stick, thats par for the course these days. I think its quite right that people think the police don't want to know as it would be another unsolved crime, and would make another black mark on government statistics

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agree,this happened just around the corner from you bud,so be wary.;)

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my eldery aunt was mugged and the police did everything they could, they caught him because he dropped a cigarette at the scene and they tested it and he was in thier system..... My aunt has new locks on her door, wont answer unless she knows who it is and will not go out at night.. she is terrified as she lives on her own and is now scared to go out..... all for the sake of her pension money, which is hardly worth stealing!

An elderly lady from my church was also mugged in the same area, because she is blind. No body was caught as she couldnt give a descripton of the mugger..

The cowards always prey on the most vulnerable, not caring about the consequences for the victim...that makes me really angry!

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Agreed. The Conservatives have the right idea about that: You can get it if you really want - Conservative Party

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I agree Cyfr, but I do wish all politicians would leave pop songs out of their promotions, remember 1997 "things can only get better" things have an habit of coming back and biting you in the bum

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Yes it did make me cringe a little. :p

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Is there no CCTV in the area, private houses, shops etc.....

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dont think so doug as its 2 blocks up from the centre.:rolleyes:

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Well If Mr C, finds out who, action will be taken, not what you know but who you know.