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BOB 07-03-2008 14:56
Raf Told To Down Dress
 
Raf Staff Have Be Told To Wear Civillian Cloths When Going Into The City Of Peter Borough After Abuse From Some Members Of The Public Who Are Those People I Think I Can Guess BBC NEWS | England | Cambridgeshire | Brown condemns no-uniform advice

MikeSz 07-03-2008 15:07
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I just cant get my head round this at all. If you disagree with any of the conflicts, thats fine, be that Iraq or wherever but surely you cant start beating up the service men and women eho form part of our armed forces!

There was a day, and im thinking of older relatives here, where an ex serviceman could go into a british legion bar or other local pub and never have to spend a penny (and ive seen it) because people recognised the bravery and sacrafice - that being said, these were people who fought in a world war - so I could anticipate any argument that things are different.

cashman 07-03-2008 15:09
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spot on mikesz, this situation should never be.IMHO.

shillelagh 07-03-2008 15:12
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I dont know why they do it. They expect them to protect them in times of war etc so why not show respect to members of the forces when they are out and about. If they disagree with iraq and afghanistan then lobby their mps and parliament not the people who are out there doing their job.

West Ender 07-03-2008 16:19
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Since when has verbal abuse bothered your average airman?

cashman 07-03-2008 16:23
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think the powers that be in the forces are being very silly taking this view,it should be soley at the discretion of the serving guys wether they choose to wear uniform or not.

mani 07-03-2008 16:29
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ppl say oh they have a mind they choose to go to iraq etc

no they dont they're doing their job

it was ur local mp/politicial that decided to go to war - throw some abuse at them!

cashman 07-03-2008 16:32
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Originally Posted by mani (Post 542153)
ppl say oh they have a mind they choose to go to iraq etc

no they dont they're doing their job

it was ur local mp/politicial that decided to go to war - throw some abuse at them!
thats the one mani.;)

jaysay 07-03-2008 16:32
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From what I heard this morning on BBC Breakfast the abuse was by anti war protesters. Its not the troops who these peole should be having a go at its the people who sent them to Iraq and Afghanistn in the first place

Acrylic-bob 07-03-2008 16:33
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Servicemen and women not allowed to wear their uniforms in their own country? What sort of madhouse are we creating here? Are we shortly going to be seeing the Houshold Divisions Trooping the Colour in civies?

nevilleuk 07-03-2008 16:53
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they should be cheered not abused if my grandfather suffered to the germans the afganistans should suffer to us the accy pals of years ago fought for nothing the world is a mess and we are as bad as anywhere now

nevilleuk 07-03-2008 16:55
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go back to 1945 there was no trouble here enock warned us if ever there was a true statment from the goverment it was that

lancsdave 07-03-2008 16:56
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I'm just glad the people throwing abuse is nothing to do with the large number of iraq's and afghans moving in to Peterborough over the past 5 years :rolleyes:

panther 07-03-2008 17:42
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Disgusting it is.....
If it was not for our armed forces, the morons who say otherwise would not have the freedom of speech.
These people put their lives on the line for our country and deserve to be treated with the greatest of respect.They should be very proud. :D

Mr Aleks 07-03-2008 17:52
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I agree with it. When i was in the army and still now it is against regulations to wear uniform out of camp unless permitted.

Bonnyboy 07-03-2008 20:47
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The wearing of the uniform outside of a base should be allowed but for good reason and by permission only.
It was always nice to see members of the military proudly wearing their uniforms at weddings etc. I think those days are over and done with though.
In 2008 is it really wise to let every Tom Dick and would be terrorist know that you are in the forces ?

cashman 07-03-2008 21:31
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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 542332)
The wearing of the uniform outside of a base should be allowed but for good reason and by permission only.
It was always nice to see members of the military proudly wearing their uniforms at weddings etc. I think those days are over and done with though.
In 2008 is it really wise to let every Tom Dick and would be terrorist know that you are in the forces ?
as i said in post 6, i think it should be at the descretion of the guys serving, i do not believe they should seek permission, if they are mature enough to go fight wars they are mature enough to make that descision.;)

steeljack 07-03-2008 22:06
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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 542332)
In 2008 is it really wise to let every Tom Dick and would be terrorist know that you are in the forces ?
In my opinion YES , and anyone , no matter what race or creed who gives them or their family any bother should be dealt with by the law, but only after the local community have finished with them . Its a sad state when a member of the forces cant wear his uniform on home vists because of a fear that some little tow rag will target his/her parents, that might be acceptable up the khyber pass and environs but not in western society .

mani 08-03-2008 03:10
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well this rule of not wearin a uniform isnt a new thing. many squads dont wear their uniforms out of the base since the days of the IRA. and that rule as stood since then. it was logical not to make them targets

and its still logical not to make them targets not for abuse but for somethign much more sinister. if they've caught one group of people willing to kill a muslim solider then maybe they're thinking lets go for A solider anyone. and if they're walkin around its like a target on their back.

jaysay 08-03-2008 09:01
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Originally Posted by mani (Post 542435)
well this rule of not wearin a uniform isnt a new thing. many squads dont wear their uniforms out of the base since the days of the IRA. and that rule as stood since then. it was logical not to make them targets

and its still logical not to make them targets not for abuse but for somethign much more sinister. if they've caught one group of people willing to kill a muslim solider then maybe they're thinking lets go for A solider anyone. and if they're walkin around its like a target on their back.
You may have a point mani, but what a state of affairs, this is our country and people who don't agree with our way of life and defile our servicmen (who after all don't ask to go to these countries, they are following orders) have the answer in their own hands, there are plenty of airports and seaports which will take them back from wence they come

grannyclaret 08-03-2008 12:57
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I am proud of all our armed forces.....wear your uniforms with pride lads

katex 09-03-2008 11:46
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I still stick by my thoughts, as discussed before, that unfortunately, due to the types of population entering our country, would make them a main target.
As in any business, the receptionist always gets the ear-ache first. If they were with their families, could endanger them too, etc.

Listened to a discussion on Radio ... one caller had an appointment in hospital at Peterborough; her hubby came later to join her. On the way four Asians in a car headed straight for him on the pavement, narrowly missing him .. they did it purposely. He was wearing an RAF uniform and had been in the forces for 30 years ! That seems to be a deep seated hatred, not just frolics.

Another caller put a twist on it too which was interesting. Servicemen going out on the town and getting more than a little tiddly will only incite other revellers to have a go at them and could cause friction and maybe bring their uniform into disrespect.

It would be lovely to see a serviceman walking down the street again in uniform, and sure lots of us would give them a great big clap, slap on the back as they passed. Those days are gone I am afraid where we get the opportunity to thank them face to face.

jaysay 09-03-2008 12:42
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 543044)
I still stick by my thoughts, as discussed before, that unfortunately, due to the types of population entering our country, would make them a main target.
As in any business, the receptionist always gets the ear-ache first. If they were with their families, could endanger them too, etc.

Listened to a discussion on Radio ... one caller had an appointment in hospital at Peterborough; her hubby came later to join her. On the way four Asians in a car headed straight for him on the pavement, narrowly missing him .. they did it purposely. He was wearing an RAF uniform and had been in the forces for 30 years ! That seems to be a deep seated hatred, not just frolics.

Another caller put a twist on it too which was interesting. Servicemen going out on the town and getting more than a little tiddly will only incite other revellers to have a go at them and could cause friction and maybe bring their uniform into disrespect.

It would be lovely to see a serviceman walking down the street again in uniform, and sure lots of us would give them a great big clap, slap on the back as they passed. Those days are gone I am afraid where we get the opportunity to thank them face to face.
Isn't this what is wrong with our country now, we let people come here willy nilly without a by your leave. I have a friend who has emigrated to the States, because her daughter lives there and is married to a yank, her daughter has just been granted Amerian citezen ship, otherwise my friend would not have been able to stay, you have to be sponored by a US citezen to live in the US of A, but any Tom Dick or Harry can come here no questions asked, get a pat on the head and given a sugar lump, nice to see you to see you nice this way the DHSS

grannyclaret 09-03-2008 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 543044)
I still stick by my thoughts, as discussed before, that unfortunately, due to the types of population entering our country, would make them a main target.
As in any business, the receptionist always gets the ear-ache first. If they were with their families, could endanger them too, etc.

Listened to a discussion on Radio ... one caller had an appointment in hospital at Peterborough; her hubby came later to join her. On the way four Asians in a car headed straight for him on the pavement, narrowly missing him .. they did it purposely. He was wearing an RAF uniform and had been in the forces for 30 years ! That seems to be a deep seated hatred, not just frolics.
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