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cherokee 09-03-2008 22:31

More demands from Islam
 
Now I know I will prob get some stick for this but this guy actually talks a lot of sense .

What do you think?


YouTube - More demands from Islam

cashman 09-03-2008 22:40

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peace mel:mosher:;)

Rosencrantz 09-03-2008 22:52

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I don't feel guilty whatsoever for agreeing with him. Religion has a purpose but cultural invasion, hate, blood and anger aren't among them. Islam has the power to make women miserable at the hands of men, has the power to persuade people that thinking and believing the same thing is good, has the power to make a person blow up innocent people (not that that's exclusive to Islam, in all fairness), and I think it's disgusting. Please, if there is a rational Muslim out there contact me and tell me why I'm wrong, because there's far too many of your religion that day after day simply prove me right.

Doug 09-03-2008 23:11

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I don't fancy is chances if he goes to the Middle East. It's his opinion and I firmly believe he as the right to express it as I have the right to listen to it and that’s the difference, we are free to do it. Freedom, enjoy it, it might not last forever……

jambutty 10-03-2008 08:56

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You won’t get any stick from me cherokee.

Just thanks for your post.

I also listened to the other monologues by that guy and I can only agree with him - totally.

I like his straight talking and no mincing of his words.

panther 10-03-2008 09:05

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Totally agree with the guy!
at last someone talking sense....was begining to wonder if it was just me:rolleyes:

peace!!!!:D:D

jaysay 10-03-2008 09:16

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Whats there to disagree with just a guy exercising his right to free speech in his own county, free speech which if some people had their way would be non existant

cashman 10-03-2008 09:21

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 543495)
Whats there to disagree with just a guy exercising his right to free speech in his own county, free speech which if some people had their way would be non existant

remember a guy approx 20yrs using free speech, he had to go into hiding, summat about a fatwa.:rolleyes:

jaysay 10-03-2008 10:51

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 543500)
remember a guy approx 20yrs using free speech, he had to go into hiding, summat about a fatwa.:rolleyes:

Don't swear at me cashy:D I don't like being called a fatass:p

WalkOnBRFC 10-03-2008 11:38

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 543543)
Don't swear at me cashy:D I don't like being called a fatass:p

I don't think that was what he was calling you :D

cashman 10-03-2008 11:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 543543)
Don't swear at me cashy:D I don't like being called a fatass:p

now jaysay, you didn't write a book! (i think):D;)

Loz 10-03-2008 11:43

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It is nice to listen to somebody talking complete and utter sense!
I agree with him totally,thanks for the post Cherokee,i'm off to listen to more.

mani 10-03-2008 16:35

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pat condell is ok comedian for an athiest. he gets alot of his material from other sources and doesnt originate much stuff. there's better social observing people out there - there's a really good christian one who does soemthign similar and i cant remmeber his name i'll post his stuff when i find it.

jaysay 10-03-2008 16:53

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 543563)
now jaysay, you didn't write a book! (i think):D;)

How do you know cashy I used to have a beard and hide away for months at a time, the one thing that gives me away is that I'm skint:D

WillowTheWhisp 10-03-2008 17:00

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Originally Posted by mani (Post 543724)
there's a really good christian one who does soemthign similar and i cant remmeber his name i'll post his stuff when i find it.

Look forward to that Mani. I hope you're better than I am at finding things because I can never remember what they are called or where I saw them!

mani 10-03-2008 17:53

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thing is when i'm bored or burnin time i just surf about 10 sites at once clicking links jumpin from one site to another - i'm hovering thru my history to see if i can find it

Neil 10-03-2008 18:04

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Originally Posted by WalkOnBRFC (Post 543561)
I don't think that was what he was calling you :D

Maybe not but if that cap fits :D

cashman 10-03-2008 19:16

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ok,its comedy, but what the guy says (whoever wrote it) is relavant to things, its a pity Politictions dont take on board what these guys say,also the P.C. brigade, cos i reckon many British Voters agree with the gist of it. cos integration would be a damn site easier if they did, its the Multi-Culturalists that have ballsed things up,cos its back fired n bit their asses.:(

garinda 10-03-2008 19:29

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Sadly a lot, though not all, abuses of human rights occur in countries that are primarily run by Muslim clerics.

Check out the current human rights violations of countries like Saudia Arabia, Pakistan, and Egypt, on Amnesty International's website.

Amnesty International

It really is quite ironic that when Muslims argue the case that they don't have the right to freely practice their religion in the West, they will be safe in the knowledge that their security will be guaranteed whilst they do it, and is funded by the very people they claim don't allow them to follow Islam here.

If I really felt I was unable to follow my beliefs, I'd move to somewhere that allowed me that choice.

Strangely many of those who claim to despise the decadent West, also seem keen on staying on here. Strange that.

garinda 10-03-2008 19:33

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By the way, I don't consider myself anti-Islamic. I know many gentle, liberal, Muslims.

I would say I'm anti-religion, when the name of that religion is used to supress people's human, and civil, rights.

onlyme 10-03-2008 19:41

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Finally someone that expresses what we all feel!!

Did you know, though, that some GP's can refuse to advise patients regarding abortions (even just to discuss the options)? Yes a very sensitive subject, but these are not even Islamic GP Practices, these are Church of England based practioners.

Margaret Pilkington 10-03-2008 19:50

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These GPs will however, refer you to someone who will deal with a request to discuss such issues. GPs who have strong religious beliefs are allowed to invoke the 'conscience'clause.

Bonnyboy 10-03-2008 19:55

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I enjoyed listening to what the man had to say, will view some of his other rants sometime :)

Rosencrantz 10-03-2008 23:43

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 543500)
remember a guy approx 20yrs using free speech, he had to go into hiding, summat about a fatwa.:rolleyes:

That's so weird you'd say that, I'm reading The Satanic Verses right now. So far nothing explicitly anti-Islam (apart from a Muslim eating ham but it wasn't an up-yours to Islam, just the guy losing his religion), but I won't comment as to whether he was excessively arrogant until I've finished it. So far it's really...metamorphic. Rushdie writes really well, some excellent characterisation, some of the deepest I've ever read.

mani 11-03-2008 00:00

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it wasnt that the book was anti-islamic - its about the flashback/dream sequences that was the large bone of contention - and depicting the prophets wives as prostitutes

Rosencrantz 11-03-2008 00:16

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I'm less than 100 pages in, so I'm still in the first chapter. It's certainly an interesting read.

steeljack 11-03-2008 03:24

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Originally Posted by Rosencrantz (Post 543943)
I'm less than 100 pages in, so I'm still in the first chapter. It's certainly an interesting read.

suggest after finishing that you try 'an Islamic Journey" and other books by V S Niapaul ,
have never been able to take to Rushdie, for some reason he allways reminds me in interviews of Uriah Heep (the character from David Copperfield , not the rock group)

Alan Gilmartin 11-03-2008 08:35

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That made me smile Steely

Boeing Guy 11-03-2008 08:38

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I hated the bloody book, never got that far into it, that and spy catcher both were really boring to me. Oh well back to the beano then

jaysay 11-03-2008 08:50

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 544000)
I hated the bloody book, never got that far into it, that and spy catcher both were really boring to me. Oh well back to the beano then

Even with all the hype the book got I was never tempted to read it or Spy Catcher either Boeing, just like yourself, sooner have a James Herbert or Dean Koontz myself

Yolanda25 11-03-2008 08:57

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omg i sooo agree with this bloke.
Im not against the people, im against their religion

Margaret Pilkington 11-03-2008 09:53

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Yolanda, you can't be against one without being against the other......Muslims ARE their religion...they live it every day and are ruled by its dogmas.

Yolanda25 11-03-2008 09:59

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im sorry margaret but i dont agree with you, is the same about people who are jehovas witnesses or simply catholic, i dont agree with it but i get on with the people

garinda 11-03-2008 10:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 544021)
Yolanda, you can't be against one without being against the other......Muslims ARE their religion...they live it every day and are ruled by its dogmas.


I'm sorry, I disagree with you too.

Islam is as wide a religion as Christianity is, for instance.

There are geltle Christians, who spend their lives helping others, and there are those who bomb and kill those who work in abortion clinics, for example.

In my experience there is as wide a spread of followers in Islam.

Saying that, I think all religion is a load of mumbo jumbo, and it creates more problems that it solves.:D

jaysay 11-03-2008 10:27

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 544029)
I'm sorry, I disagree with you too.

Islam is as wide a religion as Christianity is, for instance.

There are geltle Christians, who spend their lives helping others, and there are those who bomb and kill those who work in abortion clinics, for example.

In my experience there is as wide a spread of followers in Islam.

Saying that, I think all religion is a load of mumbo jumbo, and it creates more problems that it solves.:D

I see your point Rindi, but I think that followers of Islam, are far more dedicated than your average, say, chatholic or christian overall. I'm a chatholic, but it doesn't rule the way I live my life and never has, I think about religion on a Sunday, due to my health I don't attend mass on Sundays these days, but some one does comes from church every Sunday morning, which I suppose keeps me focussed on my faith.

garinda 11-03-2008 10:59

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 544052)
I see your point Rindi, but I think that followers of Islam, are far more dedicated than your average, say, chatholic or christian overall. I'm a chatholic, but it doesn't rule the way I live my life and never has, I think about religion on a Sunday, due to my health I don't attend mass on Sundays these days, but some one does comes from church every Sunday morning, which I suppose keeps me focussed on my faith.

There are moderate Muslims though, not everyone supports a holy war against the infedels.

I do think the moderate Muslims should be doing much more to allay people's fears about extremism, and they have let themselves down by not being more vocal in their condemnations.

As stated earlier, personally I think the crutch that is religion, has a lot to answer for.


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