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Watching BBC Breakfast this morning, there was an item about Lord Goldsmith, the former Attorney General, is to recommend to the Prime Minister that on leaving school all children should swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen, to confirm their Britishness. My first thoughts on the matter was b******s, what do you think

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I'm suprised this hasn't already been mentioned.

Coming from a long line of republicans, including a great uncle, Joe Aspinall, who as Chairman of Oswaldtwistle Urban Council, refused to stand for God Save the Queen, even at Buckingham Palace, and which echoes my own actions some years later, when asked to stand for Princess Michael of Kent at the Barbican Concert Hall, when I resolutely remained the only person seated, as H.R.H. took her seat directly in front of me.

If this silly piece of jingoism had been brought in when I was a child, I suspect I might have been sent off to a boarding school in France.

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Full details of the proposal, for those who might have missed it.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Pupils 'to take allegiance oath'

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It won't mean a thing to the children of today.
Being British isn't just about the Queen and the Royal family...being British is a mind set...not easy to instil if it isn't there to start with.

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whilst i suppose some would say its respectful, i say its utter tripe,though i suppose when i get knighted i will,making me an hypocrite, but its protocol on those occasions.:D

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I am fed up with different members of the government coming up with these gimmicky ideas and expecting us to swallow them...and also expecting that they will make a difference to society.
I'm not impressed.

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Yet another in a long line of gimmicks from the government. Brown's attempt to big up "Britishness" is a futile attempt to divert attention from the obvious injustices in the Union - free presciptions in Wales but not here, tuition charges for students here but not in Scotland etc etc, and the "West Lothian question" - the fact that Scottish MPs can vote in Westminster on matters which do not affect their constituents. Obviously, it's doomed to failure.

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I wonder what would happen if the B.N.P. ever ran the country.

Would allegiance still be sworn, after the Royal family had been repatriated?:D

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never happen mate cos theres more sensible people than retards.:D

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Hopefully, but I'm beginning to wonder.

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And there's me thinking that Charles and William were born in this country, how remiss of me:p

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What a load of rubbish!
Most kids won't even give two hoots about the queen, how the hell does swearing an oath to the queen prove your Britishness anyway?
The royals are an outdated institution and personally would rather we didn't have them at all.

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thats cos retards always gob off, most of the sensible dont.;)

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Unless you're a direct descendent of a druid, on both your paternal and maternal side, repatriation is inevitable.:D

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What! More bollocks from Westminster….Mandy, I respect your right of free will but would suggest that refusing to stand for any head of state irrespective of your persuasion is just pure bad manners, an head of state represents the people and by snubbing them, your subbing us, but it’s your right.

I have sworn my Allegiance to the Queen (State) twice, as a CI for the MOD (Cadets) and for the British Army (Territorial). It was an obligation to the Queen (State) as was the obligation to lay down life. In this respect an oath of allegiance does and should stand.

I can understand young people of other nationalities being asked to swear an oath of allegiance particularly if that person takes up permanent residents or chooses to be become a British National. Obviously if the person wants to serve in the British Forces including the Civilian Services they should also swear.

what gets my goat is why any British born national should have to do it, irrespective of skin colour. In a country where flying a English Flag or being proud of being British in a white context is possibly offensive to Other Nationals then this is just another insult to the British public. What we need is a bloody coup d'état……

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Wrong.

I was brought up to have good manners, but also to think for myself, and not be a sheep.

I certainly wasn't going to stand up for the wife of a man whose grandfather happened once to have been King.

I'd quite happily stand for an elected head of State, and if the people decided by voting, that that person happened to be the Queen, so be it.

I was brought up to respect all people.

Those, who by accident of their birth, should get no more, or less, respect than anyone else, in my opinion.

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Pleased to hear it……..

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as far as i have always been concerned Respect is Earned, not a god given right,call it bad manners but thats me.:mosher:

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Oh come Rindi I'm Irish:D

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I take a view that everyone deserves to be respected until such time that they relinquish that respect by their actions or inactions. I see all men as equal, but by the very nature of our existence recognise that some or more equal than others. I would show that respect to the Queen even as an unelected head of state because to me until she or her decedents or otherwise replaced she represents this country and its people and that act of showing respect is my respect being demonstrated to each of you.

Put it this way, if I was to go to war and made that sacrifice, I would not have died for the Queen, but for my country and her people. Despite the fact that it is shambolic the head of state is symbolic of the people, just my opinion.

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and if you are, all that inbreeding would make you Cashy's favourite word.....

A retard!
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from what i remember as being a cub scout
we swore allegiance to the queen as did brownies etc
wonder if we got caught as terrorist we could be tied for treason
as those that werent in the cubs wouldnt :dummy:

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Gimmicky suggestions come thick and fast from Brown's cronies.
Makes me wonder whether this smokescreen of controversy is just to give the press something to print, so that the REAL 'shinanickins' aren't reported

Government by spin replaced with government by smokescreen

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ya honestly think these clowns were ever aware of the plot?:confused:

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Not in a million years ! I think they live on a different planet to the rest of us.

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would be a great idea if they did.;)

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as an immigrant i think its a good thing

if they do adopt a pridesque thing similar to the americans then its a step forward. most other countries sing their national anthem or something first thign in school so why not?

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Don't forget, this is the wise and learned person who told us that burglars have rights too, when the debate over whether householders had a right to protect thmeselves was at its height.

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Could`nt have put it better myself. Well Said;)

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What about when the queen dies - do we still pledge allegiance to the queen then even though its a king and plus would we all have to pledge allegiance to the king when he comes to the throne?

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:mad: why does society keep sayin necrophilia is wrong?!

:P

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pmsfl, mani behave

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At last someone else has twigged that all these crackpot ideas pouring out of the government are nothing more than a puerile attempt to distract us from the real issues.
Illegal wars costing us more and more each year. £3.3 billion this year alone. Imagine what could have been done with that.
Refusing to have a referendum on the EU constitution/treaty.
Plus what you posted.

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I’ll go along with that wholeheartedly.

I would just add that all immigrants should swear allegiance to this country and its laws or they don’t get in.

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Ring dem bells!

We are in agreement.:p

On the plus side, I think immigrants do currently have to swear allegiance to the Crown, at their citizenship ceremonies.

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My understanding of this idea is that kids will be asked to swear allegiance to the Queen when they reach the age of 16 and that this will involve a one and only ceremony. This is complete nonsense.

Every child, upon commencement of school or even nursery should be made to raise their hand and swear allegiance to the Queen. This should be an integral part of the enrollment process; in addition, the same exercise should be repeated each morning for the rest of their school lives. Any dissension should be firmly met - cane the little brats if they object and if their mouthy mothers turn up to complain, give them a good spanking as well.

Hopefully, within a few years all of this vile republican garbage will have been flushed out of our body politic and we can get down to some serious debate about the issues that really matter. If that upsets the likes of those loverboys Garinda and Jambutty - you know what they can do. Emigrate.

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as one who has actually urinated on Buckingham Palace gates, i'm sorry Tealeaf i must disagree.:D

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A mate of mine once peed off the top of the Arc d'Triumph and I once lost my pants up a tree in central Paris on a sunday afternoon.

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You urinated on a work of art? Barbarian!

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I ..... swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God...........yeh right!!......sorry but they can ****** off!

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I'd heard that those transexual whores in the Bois de Boulogne would nick anything...but a pair of cheap Crimpolene slacks?

That's shocking.:eek:

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maybe so A-B. but growing up was good crack,never boring.:D

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Just an update in the press this morning, it woud seem that or fellow citezens from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are less than pleased by the idea, and by the sound of it on here not to many English over keen either:(

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It seems like this proposal has all the flying power of a brick budgie....I'm glad that this fiddle faddle has been seen for the gimmicky rubbish that it is.

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So Brown thinks that an oath will inculcate a sense of Britishness, clearly he has no understanding of what it means to be British - or English either!

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Spot on Bob he's a bloody Scott:eek:

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This cartoon is in the Times :D

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Precisely...........

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Cashy, you filthbucket! :eek:

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whatya after with all this flattery Lilly?:D;)

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I see HRH the Prince Edward is in Accy this afternoon. I do thrust that the likes of Cashy and Garinda will brave the elements and be there to welcome him, waving their little Union flags and hopefully taking lots of piccys which all the rest of us can then see on here.

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Err...as a republican I'd only make the considerable effort if it was to see H.R.H.'s head proudly displayed a' top of some railings.:D

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And your head would be next to him.

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I look forward to you posting once again, on any subject, and which doesn't refer to me in anyway whatsoever.

I'm begining to think you've joined the sad ranks of those obsessed with my good self.

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didn't know you had a fan club that big Rindi:rolleyes::D

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had no need tealeaf,he popped round fer a brew.:D