Jesus Christ Prince of Peace?
 

Hello People,
They claim that Jesus was the prince of peace but that is propaganda!?
Ref: Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Also the Jesus Myth must be based on pagan beliefs, this was done by the Roman creators of Christianity! How come Easter day changes every year in relation to the full moon? Surely if Jesus existed his death would be marked on the same day every year. However it is observed on the Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or after 21st March (Spring Equinox)! Surely this is part of the old Roman Mythology?

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3aff86a475e9.htm

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/10.html

If Jesus existed why isn't his death on the same day every year? But it fluctuates according to the full moon and the spring equinox! Surely that is Pagan of a Roman Nature!

Yours truthfully,

Nigel McHugh
:egged:

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god knows:rolleyes:

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Nice one:p

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Why do people busy themselves with disproving the bible and other religious texts? If you don't believe in it, that's fine yeah, but what difference does it make to you whether other people believe in them or not? Hardly going to make your life any better is it?

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always puzzeled me how Easter falls differant every year, if jesus was topped on a certain date now known as good friday, then to me the following year should fall on thurs or sat etc n certainly the same month.:confused: that has never sat well with me.

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Seeing as no universal calendar was in operation (certainly not our Gregorian calendar), then I think it's understandable that things were marked by what natural event took place on or near that date (eg Spring Equinox) rather than the actual time.

The original post by kestrelx in this thread is just uneducated ignorant tripe anyway.

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I assume it's because it is a day of remembrance and it just falls on the nearest friday to the friday the church believes was the day he died?

I mean, they couldn't just check what date it was on their digital watch and write it down could they :p time keeping wasn't even around then was it?!

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no but neither had they centuries ago, but they still know the dates of certain events in history.:confused:

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I don't know how they do that, i'm not a historian so I wouldn't be able to say how they date ancient history and such. Presumably through science?

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i dont know either,but they do,so why can the same theory not apply?:confused:

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Carbon dating. The problem is it's never one hundred per cent specific. The process will often give an estimate that can only be as accurate as a few years or even decades away from the actual date.

My theory is basic but probably realistic. I think Easter was remembered each year by the Pagan's spring equinox being near it (because there was no established calendar). This became routine and it's why we work out when easter is even today. Force of habit is a powerful thing with us humans.

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If Easter fluctuates because of that then why is Christams Day on the same date every year ?

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The Romans certainly had a calendar but it had only 10 months and the year was 304 days. Any date written down at the time in relation to Christ's crucifixion (which is noted as an historical event regardless of whether you give it religious significance) would not equate at all with the later Julian calendar (and the later still Gregorian).

It was the Synod of Whitby which decided on the rather convoluted calculation for Easter and it has connections with the Jewish lunar calendar and the month in which Passover is celebrated.

Was Jesus Christ a prince of Peace? Not so much as the Victorians reinvented him to be I don't think (gentle Jesus meek and mild and all that rot). He was an historic figure - a revolutionary in difficult times when his country was occupied by Rome and not quite the mysterious, shadowy being often portrayed in films and on TV.

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i see some saddo has wapped kestrals karma, Why? its a legitimate point,one i dont really subscribe to, but it sure as hell baffles me, whoever it was i think yer a narrow minded saddo. p.s. i don't know the guy.:(

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Not an expert but I was always taught that Christmas was originally a pagan festival turned into a Christian festival. Spotting a pattern here...

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So that blondes don't forget it:confused:

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More likely to be the blondes hubby who forgets:p

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Christianity was constructed according to the timetables of earlier beliefs in order to make it more palatable for the masses (oops, a pun). I do believe this is called synchretism, but I may be wrong. One can see it in many countries in South America.

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This from the ever useful Wikipedia seems to sum the matter up in a nutshell, incidentally, Parliament decided that the date should be fixed each year; The Easter Act 1928, which is still on the statute book.

"Easter, also called Pascha, is the most important religious feast in the Christian liturgical year. It celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, which Christians believe occurred on the third day after his crucifixion around AD 33. Many non-religious cultural elements have become part of the holiday, and those aspects are often celebrated by many Christians and non-Christians alike.

Easter also refers to the season of the church year called Eastertide or the Easter Season. Traditionally the Easter Season lasted for the forty days from Easter Day until Ascension Day but now officially lasts for the fifty days until Pentecost. The first week of the Easter Season is known as Easter Week or the Octave of Easter.

Easter is termed a moveable feast because it is not fixed in relation to the civil calendar. Easter falls at some point between late March and late April each year (early April to early May in Eastern Christianity), following the cycle of the moon. After several centuries of disagreement, all churches accepted the computation of the Alexandrian Church (now the Coptic Church) that Easter is the first Sunday after the first fourteenth day of the moon (the Paschal Full Moon) that is on or after the ecclesiastical vernal equinox.

Easter is linked to the Jewish Passover not only for much of its symbolism but also for its position in the calendar. The Last Supper shared by Jesus and his disciples before his crucifixion is generally thought of as a Passover meal, based on the chronology in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 26:17; Mark 14:12; Luke 22:7). The Gospel of John, however, speaks of the Jewish elders not wanting to enter the hall of Pilate in order "that they might eat the Passover", implying that the Passover meal had not yet occurred (John 18:28; John 19:14). Thus, John places Christ's death at the time of the slaughter of the Passover lamb, which would put the Last Supper slightly before Passover, on 14 Nisan of the Bible's Hebrew calendar. According to The Catholic Encyclopedia, "In fact, the Jewish feast was taken over into the Christian Easter celebration."

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I am pointing out the hypocrisy of Christianity. For one in the bible it is against astrology and also the Christians persecuted and killed witches, for example the Pendle Witches. The moon is always linked with paganism and witchcraft and therefore the fact that Easter the supposed death and ressurection of the son of god (also why did god only have a son and not a daughter? Could this be because the early Catholic Church did not want women to have any power in the church) is on a day that is linked to the relationship of the spring equinox and the full moon both days associated with things Christinaity is supposed to be against. It's a joke that they worship this on a day of witches a full moon or near to a full moon.

I don't believe there was a Jesus, I think it's a fairy tale for adults - there are too many holes in the Gospels and it took years for the founding fathers of Christianity to chose and edit the Gospels! Jesus' death should be on the same day every year if he really existed but they can't do that because then it would not fit into the fantasy of Easter in which he was supposedly put on the cross on Friday and ressurected on Sunday! It doesn't make rational sense!

Back a few hundred years ago they'd say I was the devil for saying this but now it has all changed as the church loses power!

Thanks all for your contributions and I hope you enjoyed your "pagan" easter eggs!:theband:

P.S. both Tony Blair and George Bush were motivated to go to war in the name of Christianity!

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beg pardon????

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Constantine who decided to unify all religions was a Pagan. For example:

Angels Halo's have been taken from Egyptian Sun Discs, The pre-Christian God Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the World - was born on December 25, Jesus' actual Birthday is thought to be some time in April. Christianity honored the Jewish Sabbath of Saturday, but Constantine shifted it to coincide with the pagan's veneration day of the sun.

Most of these things, including when Easter should be held were decided by the Council of Nicaea.

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Anyone who is a Christian or has any interest in religion should look at this video at this link
YouTube - Should This Video Be Banned? YOU DECIDE!:dflam:
and then ask the question, "how come the fundamental beliefs about Christianity have been used in other religions 1,000's of years before Jesus?

Cheers,

Nigel McHugh:dflam::dflam::dflam::hothothot:hothothot:ho thothot

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The truth is what you believe to be true,No body will change your mind and rightly so.
Just keep your beliefs to yourself and all will be well.:gooddog:

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Didn't sit too well with JC either;)

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People are free to make their own minds up abour religion.

Preaching by zealous unbelievers is as tiresome as that by the most pushy of converts.

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Its true what they say you should never talk about politics and religion, each is personal choice and no amount of arguing will change that

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Thing is for 100's of years people weren't allowed to make up their own minds about religion they had it rammed down their throats.
I'm not pushing anything. You don't have to read it!

This is all about debate?:alright:

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Answer this. If he does come back, as many believe, do you think he's going to want to see another cross?

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He would never come back to this:D:p

He aint that stupid lol

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As a practicing Christian, I can't see any reason why you should bare your religious views on a web site. I have exactly the same view about people who come knocking on your door also peddling their religion. I am 62 years of age and wouldn't dream of boring any one else with my beliefs. so why should you. Peoples religious views are not up for debate, religion is not debatable, a person believes what they believe. I'm sure if you want to debate religion there are web sites which cater of people like yourself, I don't really think Accy Web is one of them

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Yes, you are pushing something, you are pushing your ideas down the throats of anyone that innocently comes onto this thread, You are welcome to your non-beliefs just keep them to yourself.

As rindy has already said



It may help if you do some sensible studying of the subject rather than put forward views that the rest of us atheists haven't used since junior school.

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At the end of the day people that are getting angry about this don't know the facts and don't want to know the facts. If you study mythology it is a fact that several religions that pre-date Christianty by 100's of years used the same ideas - you people that are getting angry do not want to know the facts. Dionysus was also put on a cross 100's of years before so called Jesus - so the claim that the foundation of Christianity are unique to it are not true! Any one who dismisses this is not being reasonable or rational because a little bit of study will prove it to be true! Also my views arn't religous they are historical - I am looking at similar ideas that were used a long time before Christianity but are claimed by Christianiy to be unique to it when they arn't!

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no kestrel you are being unreasonable n unrational, if you think anyone will study something they either do not give a stuff about, or have there own beliefs.:rolleyes:

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Rubbish, you just wanted a poke at people that believe, their belief doesn't make them inferior to you, a good atheist leaves them alone until they start then, shoots them down if it's needed, which it isn't, leave them to enjoy their beliefs until they tread on your toes otherwise you are turning atheism into a religion.

:rolleyes:

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Think what you want mate! All I know is the Christianity and Christians have had a damging effect on my life and others. I'm not saying all Christians but some who I have been in contact with recently have been hypocrits and nasty folks - then they go and pray to Jesus and think that makes it alright! It doesn't.
I posted my message originally because it was Easter and I wanted to make a comment that it is irrational that Easter is on a different day each year when if there was a real Jesus, it would be the same day/date every year. But it's not, So I wanted to ask that question, so that means logic dictates he didn't die on one day. If someone exists physically and they die they are remembered on the same day every year. But not so with Jesus. His day changes every year which brings up some serious questions - for anyone who thinks for themselves.

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JESUS CHRIST! this thread is boring me.....

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An Atheist's view - and I am not suggesting that you should agree with it

Most people behave humanely towards their fellow men/women
because it is the way to ensure successful survival in any society.
This is a basic instinct amongst any animal that lives in social groups.

There is a conflict with another basic instinct for selfishness.
The two are in conflict, and societies adopted religion as a means to supress
that selfishness. It provides them with a reason to conform to a society's rules.
(for those who need a reason)

It is dangerous to attempt to persuade people to abandon their religion as long as
some people need a religion in order to behave in a civilised way.
I can't ever see a time when that won't be neccessary.

In the interest of peaceful co-existance, it is wisest to leave people with the beliefs that they have,
even though you may not agree with them.

Live and let live ---- an essential strategy for a peaceful existance

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its always been a Mythtery to me
one day soon i may discover the truth
when that happens ill report back via
Mythtic Meg
:hehetable

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Blessed are the cheese makers!

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Are these the ones that squish and squish the cheese so it looks square? Or round? Or triangle?

They are blessed with cheese making....equipment (whatever it is they use:D)

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are they the technical terms?

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Squish? Or equipment?


Both are technical terms of course:D

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we like squished cheese :D

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This thread has turn surreal.

This is actually what I was referring to.

YouTube - Life of Brian- Sermon on the Mount Scene

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So not real cheesemakers then? :rolleyes: :D

Ho hum, ya live and learn;)

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Better than real cheese makers, Life Of Brian style cheesemakers !:p

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Yeah..... but..... do they make a mean cheddar?:p

And do they gotta squish it? lol

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Sounds a lot like the "Nicomachean Ethics" to me .... this stuff could be termed subversive;):D

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This is a bs argument, if it is an argument at all. Studying mythology to get to the "facts"! You gotta be joking. And there are significant problems identifying a "historical" Jesus, let alone a "historical" Dionysius. And Christianity is not based on Christ's crucifiction, rather, on his return from the dead. I don't belive this personally; to believe it is an act of faith, which is the basis of any religion, and I don't have that faith. One can argue that Easter coincides with spring in general, rather than on a particular day, because Christ's rising from the dead is a metaphor for the "rebirth" or "resurrection" of the Earth following the "death" of winter. Older symbols such as rabbits and eggs are still common; more people eat easter eggs than attended mass at Easter. In order to propose the "historically accurate argument" one has to use a form of history that is current today .... history has not always been a matter of factual accuracy; one has only to read Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", or, better still, Bede's "History", to recognize this. What lessons history had for the common man, was a much more important consideration than addiction to fact. Therefore it is not surprising that the Bible is more replete with metaphor than with facts and figures.