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Trust the National Union of Teachers to serve a double whammy.
Not only are they suggesting that the Koran be taught in all schools,but they also seek to disassociate their members from 'Armed Services recruitment drives in schools.
Let's wave the white flag now!

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I dont think its a good idea to teach any kind of religion in school. Accademic pursuit should be based on the teaching of knowledge to equip our youngsters with the necessary life skills and know-how to be able to make a place for themselves in the real world. I dont think belief mechanisms should really come into it - that should be provided, if so desired, by our communities, churches etc. Time has told us over and over again that the more you push religion onto people, be it directly or indirectly, the end result is always some form of conflict. I'm a catholic, but I am a catholic by my own choice - everyone else should be allowed to get there on their own as well.

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There is a religious vacuum in the UK,guess what is striving to fill it?

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Na we did that years ago Lampman:rolleyes:

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if the koran was taught and taught how to use correctly
it may not be a bad idea

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its how its interpreted in the Mosques thats the key, cos that will always take precedance.;)

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The story, for anyone who hasn't seen it.

Fury over plan to let imams teach the Koran in state schools | the Daily Mail

...and yes, I think the members of the N.U.T., who voted for this motion, are nuts.

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but at least people will have some understanding of other religions. I went to Church(the building/religion not teh suburb!) till I was 18 and we now attend St Johns and until last year i knew very little of Islam. How can I be tolerant if I have no understanding of what I am being asked to tolerate?

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No white flag, just get the armed services to disassociate themselves from teaching their recruits, after all it's not their job to make up for the lack of education in schools.

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thats a simple one ian, i'm tolerant of any religion, cos of the fact it is one, where my tolerance goes out the door is with fanaticals of any religion. ya dont need to know any ins n outs of em.

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A faith school has the right to teach it’s own religion to the pupils.

A secular school should have one period a week to discus all religions prevalent in this country to help the pupils come to some understanding of them.

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ok, I am RC. i have worked in mainstream schools where the majority of children are muslim. i dont think its fair to teach one particular religion and i think that a small part of a few religions should be taught.which has to include the religion that plays the biggest part in the school. Teaching the Qoran would benefit all the children. and is not that different to the bible. Many of the stories are the same and i have found that the muslim children seem to know more about Jesus than the white children. It isnt fair to ignore the childrens religion and concentrate on another. This was highlighted for me the christmas before last which fell at the same time as Eid. All seasonal work concentrated on christmas and Eid was hardly mentioned.

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ok ema, please explain why teaching the quoran would benifit all children? this is a christian country n surely the religion of the country should be taught here its that simple. it is not practical to teach all religions in school, education for the real world supercedes that.

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because a better understanding af a religion gives us a better, more informed view of the people and imo would stop the stupid pointless prejudice and stereotyping that seems so common atm

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we know that,but that dont explain were the time comes from to teach a second religion.:rolleyes:

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two lessons a week are put aside for RE, i think thats plenty of time.

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When i went to primary school it was a C of E one we had a morning a week when the vicar came into school and he taught us RE. Went to the high school and we had 1 double lesson and 2 single lessons a week. They taught us about all different religons - c of e, catholic, baptist, methodist, buddhism, hindu, muslim, etc oh and this was 25 years ago. So whats different?

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My kids were taught about all religions in high school as well. Feel it gave them a bit more understanding about other faiths.

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I left Mount Carmel in 2005, a Roman Catholic High School. My 'Religious Education' lessons were Christian Education and nothing more.

I would back up anyone who would propose for children to be taught about all major religions in schools. Not just major religions but new religious movements and new age secular practices, as their education progresses.

Children should not be made somewhat ignorant by faith schools, as they have been done in the past. (I know - I was one of them. I knew nothing about important beliefs away from Christianity/the West until I took Religious Studies at 'A' level.) Children should be taught about religious diversity regardless of their upbringing or their family's religious convictions.

This is the modern world - a global society. Britain can not continue to be so blinkered and insular. Multiculturalism exists and our children's education should correspond with that. Lack of education about religion breeds ignorance and stereotype, which in turn creates idiocy and hate.

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So does the team think that this religious instruction would be a one way or two way street?

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thats a loaded question Lampman:D but i'll answer it - ONE WAY.;)

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If those who think that many religions should be taught in school why are the NUT specifically talking about the Koran ? I'm sure there must be the equivalent in Buddhism, Hinduism etc. Should they not be going through all of them ?

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because its buggar all to do with us, were only british n live here.:rolleyes:

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So can you not get white muslims? ;)


Religion should be taught in schools without any bias at all. Children should be taught about all religions without any predujice at all.

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were would the time come from -All is one hell of a lot of religions, also if a kid has been brought up in a faith (whatever faith) that should take precedance i would imagine many parents would say.:confused:

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yes you can, my aunty is one :p

you kow what i meant.... i couldnt say christians because many ppl dont bother with religion

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Oh come on dave you know as well as I do we have to toe the line were muslims are concerned so it was only a matter of time before this cropped up, and was written in tablets of stone. This is a christian country, lets keep each to his own, teaching other religions in schools won't make a blind bit of difference, because as usualit will be on a one-way street, and as usual we'll be the ones going down the wrong way

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Lets just scrap mainstream school then, and teach the kids other religions and nothing else, most who are for this are the ones harping on about teachers not having time to teach properly as it is, and you want more religions brought in, well if they do, which lessons are going to make way for them, english?

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i meant make them part of the religious studies lessons they already have.

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Dont you think this will detract from what they are taught about our own religion? I do.

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You are a little behind the times ... to say this is a modern world is to say nothing ... Chaucer could have said the same thing about the 14th century. And the global society thing is just about over and done with; it has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. Nationalism is back. Look at the map of Europe today and compare it with one 25 years old. Globalism will soon be nothing more than going to exotic places for a vacation and being able to find a good Thai restaurant in your neighbourhood. The Americans are just as isolationist as they ever were ... globalism to them is mainly economic ... putting a Starbucks on every street corner in the world and sending their military wherever their national interests are involved. Canadians are responding to claims on the Arctic by sending troops to that region led by Inuit Rangers. We are welcoming immigrants who have skills we need in this country ... the rest can stay where they are. And the ones that come here can worship how they damn well please as long as they don't seek to change essential Canadian values. Some dumb ass muslims wanting citizenship recently baullked at taking the Oath of Allegiance to the Queen as part of the citizenship ritual ... screw them, if they don't want to take the oath they don't become citizens ... and as non citizens they sure as hell are not going to tell the rest of us how to run our country, and how to pay respect to our head of state.

I sometimes resist saying what I think about what is happening in England, because it really no longer is any of my business ... having said that, I will shoot off my mouth on this one and say that it seems to me that those in power in England seem not to be able to see the difference between tolerance and surrender. You are bending over backwards ... no, make that forwards ... to accomodate people who blow up your subways and buses and kill and maim your young service men and women.

Within living memory Great Britain along with the three Dominions (Canada, Australia, and New Zealand for those who don't know what I am talking about) stood up for the whole world, and held off the Nazis while the Americans took their own sweet time growing a pair. And now, England seems incapable of standing up for itself. Sure the face of England has changed, but from what I read in this forum, the England of our grandparents and great - grandparents is still there, alive, if not well. It's as if pride in one's country and one's history have become distasteful. There is nothing wrong with patriotism ... look at Barb for example, one may not agree with a lot of what she says, but one has to admire ... at least I admire it ... her patriotism and love of her country.

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What the hell is 'our own religion'? :confused:

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Derek, dont have me falling out wi u :D

im saying that in schools where the majority of kids are muslim do they really need 2 lessons a week on christianity?

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Nuff said!

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As Eric has said other countries seem to have put their house in order.We however are far too tolerant with those who seek to change the fabric of the British way of life.Having watched the news since my original posting;I am convinced that the lunatics are running the asylum.....and these are home grown ones at that!

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i think its called adapting......

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I think it's called surrender.

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utter garbage, west indians came over in 1000s late 50s early 60s, the differance was they Integrated, sure there was a bit of aggro at the begining, but that was overcome n they Sucessfully Integrated, ask yourself WHY? cos they took in the main to our way of life. many moslems do the same - the Fanatics will not, n as eric said the fools in our society surrendered cos they are to DUMB to see it. theres been a classic on the news today the loonies are saying Amir Khan should not use the union jack cos hes a muslim. the Muslim Council have finally come forward and said Bakari is talking Rubbish, nothing to do with the koran, its the only way to True Integration n i think the Muslim Council have now grasped the nettle n made a start, they are to be commended for me.

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So have the millions of chinese, italians and greeks.

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Someone on the Teletext letters pages suggested that NUT stood for National Union of Traitors.

After this latest nutty idea I could go along with that.

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Schools would have more time for the curriculum if they put the school hours back to what they used to be in my day – up to 1952.

That is 9:00am to 12:00noon then 1:00pm to 4:00pm with a 10 minutes ‘playtime’ break morning and afternoon.

Each lesson lasted 40 or 45 minutes so we had 8 periods per day. That’s 40 periods per week. Woodwork, Metalwork and Games were 4 periods long. Most subjects were 2 periods long twice a week with only music and RE for one period once a week.

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It's not changed that much, only half an hour different to the current school day.

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Careful jambutty, I am agreeing with you. :p

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Yeah, me too ... scary eh.:eek:

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me also without question.

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We are all doomed!!

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Don't worry ... probably just the beer talking:thepint:

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Half an hour less a day is two and a half hours a week. If there are 39 school weeks in a year that is 97.5 hours lost per year or 390 hours in 4 years.

That’s a lot of lost schooling.

The high school across the road from me packs in at 3:00pm. And it would appear that actual lessons do not start until 9:15am and 1:15pm.

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Well to be quite honest if I had kids going to school I would want a say in what they were being taught, well religiously anyway. I cannot see what teaching about other religions is going to do to help our children make their way in life. religion is dying on its feet in this country, how many kids now go to church on Sundays or to Sunday school, or for tht matter how many parents go:confused: