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42 Day Detention without Charge
The Government plan to pass legislation to increase detention without trial from an already high 28 days, the longest time in any democracy by far, to 42 days.
The closest is Australia 12 days. France can detain for 6 days, Germany 2 days, Canada 1 day. Even the country directly affected by 9/11 and most involved in Iraq, the USA, only holds its citizens for up to 2 days without charge. Who can we compare with? Zimbabwe has set it at 21 days and China 37. If you put yourself in the detainees place, how would you feel sat there for 6 weeks if you were innocent? Being detained without anybody even saying why. The fact is 28 days has only been needed once, and that is very debatable. Why should we increase it further? The government have put no convincing argument forward as yet. It is simply a further erosion of our liberties. |
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I have no immediate plans to attempt forming a terrorist group, so it shouldn’t be my concern. It’s about time we got tough on something in my opinion.
I suggest that the small minority of people this will affect might bleat a little, other than that ….. |
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its held without charge
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Cheapest B & B in Europe.
42 nights, full board? Can't be beaten.:D |
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This isn't about getting tough as in punishment of people who have committed offences. I'm all for that. Yes sorry it's without charge not trial. Wasn't thinking. |
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It's laughable Cyfr. The 'lock em up and throw away the key Party'. 'Tough on crime Party'. 'Protect Britain Party'. I am not agreeing or disagreeing, I don't know enough but to listen to Tories now is great entertainment if nothing else.This on top of a new socialist policy direction where you are saying The Government should prop up state industries (Post Office's).
You have sold your soul. There seems to be nothing on which the current Conservative party membership has any principle's on at all. |
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Not commenting as to the rights or wrongs of this, but didn't hear much of an outcry when the Conservatives increased the time that terrorist suspects could be held without being charged, from 48 hours to seven days, which went against a ruling from the European Court of Human Rights.
Britain, Citing Ulster Terrorism, Keeps Detention - New York Times |
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Which by the way, for those who are obsessed with percentages, is a greater increase in time than the current government are trying to bring in.:D
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Holding someone without charge for 4 weeks is long enough! To extend this to 6 weeks - 3.5 times longer than any other democratic government - is barmy! Imagine being found innocent at the end of that period of time. 6 weeks absent from your job for suspected terrorism? Your job's not worth going back to! And that's an innocent person. Even the police say they don't need the extension. What's going on? |
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You must be a mind reader Cyfr, cheers :D
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Govt. tried something like that here a couple of years ago ... built a special facility at Millhaven pen, just down the road from here ... but the courts said nfw ... charge them or free them.
As an aside; I listened to a program on CBC radio a couple of weeks ago about surveillance cameras and laws which seem to be illegal in the sense that they tread heavily on civil rights ... there was a comment about England and the over 4 million surveillance cameras they have in place. One of the guys in the discussion ..... I forget his name but he was a brit .... said that England is sleepwalking towards becoming a suspect society, in that all citizens are treated as suspects. There is a presumption of guilt idea on the part of govt. and law enforcement. I realize that terrorism is a problem, but there have to be other ways of dealing with it than randomly arresting suspects and locking them up without charge for six weeks ... and it could go on. You realease a guy after 6 weeks, and then immediately arrest him again. I strongly believe that if one threatens the rights of any citizen or group of citizens, then one threatens the rights of all. It's taken centuries of struggle to get these rights, and yet many seem to take them for granted. |
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Complete presumption of guilt, from ID cards to DNA databases. The terrorists will never conquer our country, they know they can't achieve that. They can however take away our freedoms, I don't think we should be letting them win. |
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It seems highly unlikely that it will be getting the go-ahead.
Labour MPs attack Smith over 42-day detention - UK Politics, UK - The Independent |
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Though of course foxes are no longer hunted, and are free to enter into a Civil Partnership, if they so wish. So some of the pledges promised by Labour did come to fruition.:D Though the same could be said of the Conservatives, who after eleven years out of government seem to have abandoned each and everyone of the principle tenets too, in the hope of being elected back into power.;) |
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Who mentioned Thatcher?:confused: They've all been cut from the same cloth, right back to Spencer Perceval in 1809.;) |
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Same old, same old. CONSERVATIVE MANIFESTO .COM - 101 Years of Conservative Party Policy (I'm never wrong.;):D) |
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Well there was until 'Dave' came along with his all caring, all sharing, hug-a hoodie, nonsense, in the desperate hope of re-winning middle England back from New Labour. Anyway, off thread. Rebel Labour M.P.s are likely to block Ms. Smith's proposals, so all the wooly liberals can once again relax.:) |
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I'm glad Labour MP's are against it, the ones that dared speak up in the commons spoke a lot of sense. |
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Not quite right. Sir Ian Blair, of the Metropolitan Police, is reportedly in favour of the increase. |
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Sadly both mainstream parties are willing to prostitute themselves, to appear appealing to the electorate. |
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Anyway, I have lemons to suck, and I'm not going off thread to play kiss catch posting with you. You have Mr. Jones for that. By the way, when does the new term start? Have you no homework, or percentages, to do? Have you tidied your bedroom? Why aren't you studying something more interesting than poltics? I'd happily go off thread to discuss the symbolism in Virginia Woolf's work, or the Fauvist's influence on the art of Picasso and Braque. You need to widen your outlook young Roo.:D |
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