Mugabi
 

Do we care if the man who destroyed Rhodesia survives?

Do we care for the millions of people who are starving because of this man are saved?

Do you support the efforts to dislodge him?

Would you care if this man burnt in hell?

83 is a ripe old age to be fat and well cared for when the average age of a male in Zimbabwe is 36 when he perishes.

I am not a practicing Christian but God help us if this man survives.

No food no water for the children...........I am stuck for words.

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Not our problem , they (the Zimbabweans) have systematically destroyed one of the best places on earth . Same as has happened with 90% of every other 'free' African country , Kenya and South Africa are heading the same way .
One thing which no-one is mentioning is the new economic colonialisation of Africa going on by the Chinese , from taking over the mining industries in Zambia and Ziare , to supplying the Sudanese Govt. with arms to use in Darfur. China needs constant new sources of food for its ever increasing population and Africa with a declining population (thru disease and famine) seems to be ripe for the picking .

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I don't think that you can say that it is not our problem. This is the legacy of colonialism ... and it is a similar kind of colonialism that America is pracitising in Iraq. You go in ... beat the crap out of them ... set up artificial structures ... and when they don't work, blame the victims. And are not the Americans systematically destroying one of the best places on Earth.? Their own country. And when we talk about selling arms, who sells more arms world wide than the Americans and the British?

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Nothing of the sort..........It's time for him to step down. :confused:

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Just a pity he wasn't sat on a great big oil field, Bush would have been in there years ago, thats the first Bush, not George W.:rolleyes:

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If this were the benchmark, then there are probably others who should go .... I know that a little GW bashing is always fun; but consider what GW has done to the America he inherited from Bill Clinton (had trouble keeping it in his pants, but apart from that a good President). He has taken the US from prosperous and fairly popular to quickly going broke and despised everywhere. We all know that Mugabe is a practised vote rigger, but I seem to remember something similar, tho' not as blatant, in Florida a while back.:rolleyes:

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I see that you are still able to get your jollies from the above twaddle. Ah, how little you know. Bill Clinton was never as popular here as he was, (and still is, I guess), in Canada and Europe. The fact that he couldn't keep his pants zipped is a minor note compared to his actual record in office. Both he and Her Highness are a very corrupt pair. Bill got by on charm......something Hillary doesn't possess. The two of them are SHOCKED that a newbie like Obama has sidled out of left field and is slicing and dicing them quite handily. Doesn't he realize that it's HER turn in the WH?

If the U.S. is going broke it's because of all those Socialist programs that lefties like you love so much. They are not sustainable. Of course, the myrmidons don't believe that and will be voting en masse in the, "I Want My Mommy" election in November. By the way, there was no vote rigging in the 2000 Florida election......unless you count the Democrats who tried every trick in the book to disenfranchise our military personnel.

If Mugabe does leave, I'm sure he'll already have his Swiss bank accounts in order. By the way, I wouldn't be so quick to blame colonialism for Africa's messes. India doesn't seem to have shared the same fate.

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The US isn't going broke because of socialist programmes. It's going broke because the US spends huge amounts of money on pointless wars and occupations. It's going broke because the federal reserve is run by people who think you can create wealth by printing money. Instead it takes value from existing currency and ends up effecting the lower/middle classes while the upper class don't notice a thing.

Allowing government and private banks (federal reserve) to control the money supply can be a rather dangerous thing.

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I think the kind of socialist programs Barb is talking about are the ones where the govt. bails out the banks who lost big with the ninja loans, while the ordinary citizen loses his home. Socialism American style.:hidewall:

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Sorry, but you'd be wrong on the first count. We are now spending a larger share of GNP on "entitlement" programs than we do on the military, (including the current war.)

However, you are correct on the second point. Both Democrats and Republicans in Congress are addicted to spending. And three quarters of the money spent goes to things which are entirely unconstitutional. No matter how much revenue gushes into the Treasury, it is never enough to satisfy them and they are constantly borrowing more. A day of reckoning will come.....and the sooner the better as far as I am concerned.

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Ok, so we take out the Republicans and the Democrats ... who is there left to vote for:confused: Maybe Ralph Nader if he is running again:rolleyes: You are coming pretty close to anarchy here ... and straying a long way from Mugabe ... but I can't see anything wrong with spending the bulk of the national wealth on entitlement programs rather than another Nimitz class carrier .... soon they will have run out of Presidents to name them after ... I can just see it; we well soon have the USS Spiro Agnew:D

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The government backed the sale of Bear Stearns to JP Morgan Chase. The shareholders of Bear Stearns lost their shirts......just as they should have under the circumstances. For those who were not shareholders but did have investment accounts being managed by Bear Stearns will have their portfolios transferred to other institutions and will not be affected.

Many years ago when I bought my first home, my banker told me, (with an attempt at humor), "No pay, no stay." Something I understood full well when I signed the paperwork. This is how the free market works, my friend. What you had during the real estate boom was our wonderful government pressuring banks to ease the normal vetting process so that more people could own their own home. So many of the old tried and tested rules went out the window. You had a lot of people who bought houses they could not afford. They got adjustable rate mortgages and then found themselves unable to pay when the rate went up. There was a very unnatural housing bubble in which in some areas of the country the price of homes was going up each year at a ridiculous and unsustainable rate. A lot of people apparently thought that the gravy train was going to last forever and began taking out large equity loans on their property. Throw into the mix a few unethical lenders and it was a recipe for disaster. The market is now correcting itself. Housing prices are falling to more normal rates and homebuyers are getting some great deals out there. Now the banks and mortgage companies will get back to doing things the old fashioned way and, hopefully, homeowners and future buyers will have learned a lesson or two. See, there is always a silver lining to every situation. Yes, it's sad to see the nightly news parade of people having to move out of their houses and back into apartments. But in some cases, it's rather hard to have a lot of sympathy. The fact is that most Americans do pay their mortgage on time and I see no reason why their taxes should be taken to bail out people who were not as careful in their planning.

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What's all this to do with Magabi?

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I saw something on a website the otherday - 26million americans live on food coupons...

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Not too much .... but looking back at the posts it seems to be my fault ... :o I believe the point I was trying to make is that M is not the only leader who has trashed his country for personal gain ... he is just more up front about it. Sure he inherited a great country, but little else to go with it .... I don't think that democracy can be imposed, it has to grow thro' trial and error ... Zimbabwe got freedom, but someone forgot to give them the manual on how to use it. I know it seems to trivialize what is happening, but finding a fit form of govt. ... and I don't mean one identical to ours (the Canadian system is a lot like that in the UK) ... involves going thro' a lot of growing pains and teething problems ... England arrived at the system they have now thro' violent struggle ... The Americans won their freedom at places like Valley Forge and fought a civil war to partly resolve some divisive issues ... Canadians formed their independent national identity on the slopes of Vimy Ridge ... Zimbabweans will hopefully come to some sort of resolution to the problems they have ... hopefully their next leader will not be a dictator masquerading as a democratic leader .... but I'm not holding my breath:rolleyes:

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What in Zimbabwe?

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No royboy sorry for the thread wander but the rest were talking bout america so i just tagged it in!!!

Will you accept my apologies?

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Of course............just teasing.....no problem :hothothot

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One thing which no one has mentioned is the fact that Mugabe did not gain independance for Zimbabwe from Britain , the guy who brought independance to Rhodesia/Zimbabwe was Ian Smith . All Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo did was lead a bunch of killer marxist thugs armed by the Chinese, Russians and North Koreans . The same folks who shot down a civilian airliner carrying women and children and then machine gunned the surviving passengers . And what did the British Govt. do ? ....sod all ....so much for Harold Wilson and his famous at the time speech about our "kith and kin" .
Britain abandoned Rhodesia/Zimbabwe at the time of UDI in 65 , when Smitty took over, the bush war followed , with thousands being killed on both sides till 79 when a settlement between Ian Smith's Govt. and the Zanu/Zapu forces was reached.
Definatly not one of Britains finest hours

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That is fact and written down in history......Not very many members on this forum are old enough to remember...I think we have moved on and are, I hope more aware of what is happening in the world....You and I have moved from the land of our birth by choice...We hope that we are safe and use the laws of our chosen country to ensure that.
Rhodesia was and wonderful country, self sufficient and a world apart from the Zimbabwe we know today. Do you think that the British Taxpayer after UDI should have supported the one's who wanted to be free of colonial rule.?.......I don't think so...If they or any other British Colony or Protectorate wanted to run their own affairs...get on with it.
I think Magabi is worse than Saddam and agree that a challenge to his rule has been a long time coming.
Strutting like a peacock in his Armani suits whils't Zimbabwe starves.
I think that the distracting awareness of climate change should be focused on the climate in Zimbabwe where I fear many people will be subjected to the brutal and oppresive regime of the "Still Tyrant"
Robert Magabi

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dunno, but wish people would learn more about using paragraphs. Might read stuff then

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In whatever form it is better than the non funny one liners meant to be funny that appear on the forum regularly.
Study and be educated.

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Rhodesia as was under Smith was a violently racist country. Under Mugabe it began to show some flower of democracy then power corrupted him and we have the evil b*st*rd we see now. If Nkomo had taken over things might have been different.

The majority of the populace under Smith were disenfranchised and fought for freedom. Yes they made the wrong choice with Mugabe but hindsight is 100% perfect.

But reading the post above post I assume steeljack would rather Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) and South Africa retained their Apartheid regimes.

Mugabe has to go, he makes Amin look like a benevolent uncle, and the MDC under Tzangari has to win for the future of the country, it will take an immense amount of strictly controlled funding to get the country back to any semblance of it's history as the "Bread basket of Africa" but it has to happen or there will be a disaster on the scale of Biafra.

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I apologise for my regular and irregular one liners Roy. Maybe I should take a course in Humour.

Or maybe, other people are of the same opinion as myself, that when delivering an argument, it should be done in a clear and concise manner to engage the audience and keep them interested.

Verbally this is done by inclination, tone and speed of voice. Surely the equivalent in a verbal form is correct paragraphing?

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It is my understanding that funds are available for the rebuilding of Zimbabwe from many countries around the world but none are willing to take a chance on Migabi.
I wonder how many people in Zimbabwe aware of that?
Watch the voted being rigged, bullying,press not allowed to cover and so it goes on.
Robert....On your bike :dflam:

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I refuse to enter into useless retoric Rindy style.
If you are serious about a particular subject and are not particularly worried about the pro's and cons of punctuation??????

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ok i got the tv on - which is a change - and the news is on bbc 1. I thought the BBC was banned from zimbabwe - by Mr Mugabe saying the bbc was biased? Theyve just said that they were live from zimbabwe....

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Although I take that as a compliment, you are completely missing the point.

The whole idea of threads such as these is to rouse peoples opinions and perhaps sway them by your argument.

If the audience can not read the argument, there is no swaying.

However, you may indeed take the final word, as this little tete a tete is wandering from the thread.

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Rhodesia as was under Smith was a violently racist country. Under Mugabe it began to show some flower of democracy then power corrupted him and we have the evil b*st*rd we see now. If Nkomo had taken over things might have been different.

Nkomo was no different than Mugabe, just another tribal thug, Mugabi belonging to the Shona tribe and Nkomo being Matabele , and the two opposition parties ZANU and ZAPU were similarly tribal

The majority of the populace under Smith were disenfranchised and fought for freedom. Yes they made the wrong choice with Mugabe but hindsight is 100% perfect.

It was Smiths policy to give the vote to educated Rhodesians , those educated enough to see further than what they were told by their tribal chiefs

But reading the post above post I assume steeljack would rather Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) and South Africa retained their Apartheid regimes.

No, I'm not saying that , what I am saying is ...you cannot go from a stone-age tribal society overnight, it takes time to build an infrastructure, when Zambia got Independance in 64 , thousands of people went to the railway station to await the arrival of the train from South Africa ...the thinking being that "independance" was a physical tangible thing and it would arrive like all other imports in a wooden crate.

Mugabe has to go, he makes Amin look like a benevolent uncle, and the MDC under Tzangari has to win for the future of the country, it will take an immense amount of strictly controlled funding to get the country back to any semblance of it's history as the "Bread basket of Africa" but it has to happen or there will be a disaster on the scale of Biafra

Strictly controlled funding by who , by the donors ? is that not the same as fiscal colonialism , saying to the Zimbabweans that they haven't got the skills to look after their own affairs

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How right you are, look at the previous paragraph (I think it should read "If the audience cannot or can't") Be very sure of your convictions and hand slapping tactics.

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Have they????

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Rhodesia as was under Smith was a violently racist country. Under Mugabe it began to show some flower of democracy then power corrupted him and we have the evil b*st*rd we see now. If Nkomo had taken over things might have been different.

Nkomo was no different than Mugabe, just another tribal thug, Mugabi belonging to the Shona tribe and Nkomo being Matabele , and the two opposition parties ZANU and ZAPU were similarly tribal


How do we know? I said might have been different. Under a different leader with different rules things may have been better.

Mugabe has to go, he makes Amin look like a benevolent uncle, and the MDC under Tzangari has to win for the future of the country, it will take an immense amount of strictly controlled funding to get the country back to any semblance of it's history as the "Bread basket of Africa" but it has to happen or there will be a disaster on the scale of Biafra

Strictly controlled funding by who , by the donors ? is that not the same as fiscal colonialism , saying to the Zimbabweans that they haven't got the skills to look after their own affairs.

Strictly controlled to prevent corruption, an awful lot of rebuilding finance has ended up funding certain leaders back pockets, with the general populace suffering again.

As an addition it's good to see Mugabe has reverted to type to prevent the MDC forcing the election results being issued.
BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Zimbabwe's MDC court bid blocked

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interesting article in todays New York Times , Mugabe shipping in a freighter load of arms from China with the connivence of the South African Govt. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/wo...syahoo&emc=rss
who is he going to use them against ? How is he planning on paying for them ?
All those who weep crocodile tears about how bad British/European colonialization was in Africa are in for a rude awakening when they realize what the Chinese are doing in Africa

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