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shillelagh

10-04-2008 21:38

Biscuit or Cake?

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Teacake set to cost taxman £3.5m

The VAT man owes M&S £3.5 million because they classed teacakes as biscuits and not cakes!!! But the thing is the customers bought the teacakes the customers paid the VAT on them - so why give it back to M&S when it was the customers who paid it. If they do i hope m&s give it back to the customers somehow discounts on stuff etc

By the way would you class a chocolate teacake as a cake or a biscuit?

emzy	10-04-2008 21:41

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Erm... biscuit - they were biscuit and mallow last time i got them - or am i thinking of something different

Lilly

10-04-2008 21:43

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 560328)

By the way would you class a chocolate teacake as a cake or a biscuit?

I think the answer to this is to leave one out on the kitchen worktop for a couple of days.

I believe that if it goes soft it's a biscuit.

If it goes hard and dry it's a cake. :)

cashman

10-04-2008 21:44

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the way i would judge it is if its a gobfull its a biscuit, if more its cake.:D

Lilly

10-04-2008 21:46

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 560337)

the way i would judge it is if its a gobfull its a biscuit, if more its cake.:D

Jaffa cakes go hard so I class them as a cake.

A jaffa cake is only one gobfull though. ;)

West Ender

10-04-2008 21:50

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I don't care if a chocolate teacake's a biscuit or a cake, I just eat it. Mmmmmm. :)

katex

10-04-2008 21:57

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 560338)

Jaffa cakes go hard so I class them as a cake.

A jaffa cake is only one gobfull though. ;)

Jaffa cakes definitely a cake Lilly. An ex-girlfriend of my sons once got asked this in an interview :confused: She is a physiotherapist ! .. LOL. Luckily, her father worked for McVities and was able to give the correct answer.

Choc. Teacakes .. yes .. would say a cake.

Don't really eat biscuits or cake so can't do a test.

Margaret Pilkington

11-04-2008 12:10

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It would be good if M&S donated the returned VAT to charities......it would then be able to do some good.

Neil	11-04-2008 16:42

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 560338)

Jaffa cakes go hard so I class them as a cake.

A jaffa cake is only one gobfull though. ;)

This is from that link

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Under UK tax rules, most traditional bakery products such as bread, cakes, flapjacks and Jaffa Cakes are free of VAT, but the tax is payable on cereal bars, shortbread and partly-coated or wholly-coated biscuits.

jackyalex

11-04-2008 16:43

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I would say that its a biscuit, when i buy them they are always with the biscuits and not on the cake aisle

Eric	11-04-2008 16:59

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All sounds a little Lilliputian to me:D:confused::D

katex

11-04-2008 17:02

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Originally Posted by jackyalex (Post 560599)

I would say that its a biscuit, when i buy them they are always with the biscuits and not on the cake aisle

Well, that's logical reasoning I suppose .... :D:D

Does anybody know the reason for one being taxed and not the other ?

Is cake thought of as more of a necessity or something ? Usually have the same types of ingredients ... :confused:

garinda

11-04-2008 18:25

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 560602)

Is cake thought of as more of a necessity or something ?

You'd have to ask that of the Minster responsible for this matter, Marie Antoinette.:D

Uncle Mick

11-04-2008 19:01

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 560328)

But the thing is the customers bought the teacakes the customers paid the VAT on them - so why give it back to M&S when it was the customers who paid it.

HMRC would have to refund M&S the VAT because it was charged on their turnover figure. The consumer is only paying the RRP and wouldn`t be able to claim the VAT back as they are not VAT registered. It does mean that M&S has made an extra amount of profit, which of course they will have to add to their turnover figure on which they will be charged corporation tax. VAT is taxed at 17.5% and corporation tax is 28%, so the winners are......:eek:

WillowTheWhisp

11-04-2008 19:05

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But were M&S charging VAT to their customers?

blazey

11-04-2008 20:18

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Biscuit, because it is biscuit and mallow covered in chocolate. Nothing cake-like about it.

firth_dawn

11-04-2008 21:57

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i would say its a biscuit dont think its a cake.

katex

11-04-2008 22:33

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 560627)

You'd have to ask that of the Minster responsible for this matter, Marie Antoinette.:D

Except would have to find the head to ask if she really made that statement ... wonder if they actually buried the head with the rest of her ? ...sorry thread wander.

panther

12-04-2008 19:31

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its a bloody biscuit!!!
if its got a sponge, its a cake.....IMO...:D

derekgas

12-04-2008 21:10

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I would call it a biscuit, while we are on the stupid vat rules, we buy some products in at 8% vat, some at 17.5% vat, but if those items are sold in with a job, some of the job is 8% and some of it is 17.5%??? I also remember Marshalls mono being invoiced £25k by revenue and customs because the offices had free coffee machines!

Benipete

12-04-2008 22:17

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I was alway taught that the word Biscuit came from France and translated into baked twice so i for one do not want a baked twice T cake whatever you cover it with.

moon	16-04-2008 13:59

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Its got to be cake! It's pretty self-explainatory! TeaCAKE!

emzy	16-04-2008 14:13

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Originally Posted by moon (Post 563215)

Its got to be cake! It's pretty self-explainatory! TeaCAKE!

But what about the biscuit type base??

Neil	16-04-2008 14:15

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Originally Posted by emzy (Post 563239)

But what about the biscuit type base??

Like a cheesecake :p

emzy	16-04-2008 14:16

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 563242)

Like a cheesecake :p

Mmmmm Cheesecake

emamum

16-04-2008 14:26

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hmmmm...........wish i had a fridge :(

kathleen_firth

16-04-2008 17:58

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im going with biscuit

Eric	16-04-2008 18:01

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 563261)

hmmmm...........wish i had a fridge :(

Move to Canada, for 8 months of the year you don't need one:D:D:D

forceten

16-04-2008 19:13

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Defo a biscuit

panther

17-04-2008 10:06

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Originally Posted by moon (Post 563215)

Its got to be cake! It's pretty self-explainatory! TeaCAKE!

how can it be a cake?, its a ruddy biscuit:rolleyes:;), theres no sponge!!...lol

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