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Acrylic-bob 20-04-2008 07:45

S T R I K E !
 
Strike threat could force schools to close - News - Accrington Observer

I'm not sure that I support the members of the NUT in this action. From what I see of things Teachers still hold a privileged position in this country. And while the wages, conditions and pension are not what they might be expected to earn in the private sector, (remember this is a vocation) they are still generous.

I think that it is far more pertinent for us, the taxpayer to ask whether we get full value for the money that we spend on keeping teachers in the style to which they object so strongly. A 2.45% increase is not, by any means over generous, but neither is it the gratuitous insult that the NUT claim.

If we, the Taxpayer, agreed to pay teachers more than 2.45%, would we be likely to get a commensurate increase in productivity? Would there be less children playing truant, or failing their exams or leaving school unable to read and write or do simple arithmetic? Would school discipline impove?

Somehow I doubt it.

mrskitty 20-04-2008 08:10

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Jack's dad is currently near the end of his uni course to become a teacher and has a placement at a local school,he teaches quite a few classes but isn't full time yet obviously,so i asked him how he stands with the striking....apparently if he doesn't strike he will no longer be a member of the NUT :eek::confused:

Acrylic-bob 20-04-2008 08:21

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Hmmm, well there's a fine example of democracy in action for you. And this lot are expected to teach our young people all about "Citizenship"

mrskitty 20-04-2008 08:55

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I know...its so false.If i hadn't asked him,i would have assumed the teachers striking did it out of personal choice.

Tin Monkey 20-04-2008 09:45

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This thread is nearly as ill-informed and ignorant as the one poking fun at someone's illness. Why do people bother?

Neil 20-04-2008 10:19

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 565099)
This thread is nearly as ill-informed and ignorant as the one poking fun at someone's illness. Why do people bother?

Please inform us correctly.

cashman 20-04-2008 13:01

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 565099)
This thread is nearly as ill-informed and ignorant as the one poking fun at someone's illness. Why do people bother?

well if its ill-informed, the only sensible way is for you to say why,not just say it is.

Tin Monkey 20-04-2008 16:51

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Normally I ignore general ignorance, but this time I made the mistake of rising to the bait. I really can't be bothered justifying myself, so here's a picture of a dancing pig instead. :D

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3386/ag002111ai9.gif

Lilly 20-04-2008 20:10

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Originally Posted by misskitty (Post 565093)
I know...its so false.If i hadn't asked him,i would have assumed the teachers striking did it out of personal choice.

They can choose, can't they? :confused:

The school that my kids go to isn't participating in the strike.

lancsdave 20-04-2008 20:13

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 565483)
They can choose, can't they? :confused:

The school that my kids go to isn't participating in the strike.

Maybe they are all members of the other teaching union, not the NUT.

As for the right to choose, like them or loathe them, the idea of a union is to stick together. The union won't work if they all do their own thing. Presumably the right to choose was done at the time of voting ?

flashy 20-04-2008 20:28

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the letter i got from Reece's school said.....


Dear Parents
As you will probably be aware from the News, and Newspaper reports, the National Union of Teachers has called a national strike on teachers' pay. The strike will take place on Thursday 24th April 2008. The majority of staff are in the NUT, and as there will be no-one to take the classes, the school will be closed for the children on that day.
Should there be any changes, and the strike is called off i will let you know immediately.

Gayle 20-04-2008 20:32

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If you are part of a union then you must abide with the decision of the vote so doing your own thing really isn't on.

I know that teaching is supposed to be a vocation but if teachers are so valuable why should they be treated so poorly. Should they just roll over and accept a poor pay rise just because they 'enjoy' what they're doing? Surely it's more important for the person who is responsible for looking after my child's education and future to be paid well rather than some fat cat business man.

We don't want to lose the good teachers because they can't afford to do it any more or because they'd earn more in industry.

cashman 20-04-2008 21:33

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 565370)
Normally I ignore general ignorance, but this time I made the mistake of rising to the bait. I really can't be bothered justifying myself, so here's a picture of a dancing pig instead. :D

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3386/ag002111ai9.gif

do you mean can't or cannot?:rolleyes:

Lilly 20-04-2008 21:35

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 565525)
do you mean can't or cannot?:rolleyes:

They mean the same don't they? :confused:

cashman 20-04-2008 21:40

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 565527)
They mean the same don't they? :confused:

think about it Lilly.;):)

Lilly 20-04-2008 21:44

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 565529)
think about it Lilly.;):)

Am I being a biff? :o

slinky 20-04-2008 22:07

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 565099)
This thread is nearly as ill-informed and ignorant as the one poking fun at someone's illness. Why do people bother?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 565370)
Normally I ignore general ignorance, but this time I made the mistake of rising to the bait. I really can't be bothered justifying myself, so here's a picture of a dancing pig instead. :D

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3386/ag002111ai9.gif

Why would you say that, then not back it up?? :confused:

shakermaker 20-04-2008 22:22

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Doesn't make a difference 'round here anyway... most of the schools are usually too fire damaged to be open.

jaysay 22-04-2008 10:11

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 565529)
think about it Lilly.;):)

You have a way with words cashy:rolleyes::D

Neil 22-04-2008 13:11

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 565525)
do you mean can't or cannot?:rolleyes:

I thought his dancing pig was the best answer I have seen on here in a long time :D

AccyMad 23-04-2008 09:48

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Mount Carmel is closed tomorrow - couldn't get through to the school to get any information as it's been closed this week due to the fire they had over the holiday but I have a friend who works in the office there who has told me it's definately shut :(

lancsdave 23-04-2008 09:53

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 566678)
Mount Carmel is closed tomorrow - couldn't get through to the school to get any information as it's been closed this week due to the fire they had over the holiday but I have a friend who works in the office there who has told me it's definately shut :(

Strange situation. The letter from the education office says they will be closed Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday. The information on 2BR which presumably comes from the school has said since last weekend that they will re-open on Friday. I just hope communication isn't on the cirriculum at Mount Carmel or ofsted will be failing it :rolleyes:

Stanleymad 23-04-2008 09:53

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 566678)
Mount Carmel is closed tomorrow - couldn't get through to the school to get any information as it's been closed this week due to the fire they had over the holiday but I have a friend who works in the office there who has told me it's definately shut :(


Ah well saved me trying lol, i know its definately shut accymad, its been listed on the online telegraph as a definate {typical only school in accy to have a complete shut day** was going to try & ring em to get any clarification of when its open to pupils again, most say friday but the issue with my 1 is that nobody else much is going to be going on friday anyway as why should parents wash uniform or get them back for 1 day:confused: Obviously want her back to school asap but says no point for 1 day & the usual well nobody else is flannel, do u know any more & what are your thoughts as getting no information from school or media typically.

Gayle 23-04-2008 10:05

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My kids school is just closing the classes where teachers are striking. Fortunately, for me, both my kids are taught by teachers who aren't in the union so both are going in. Not that I was actually bothered as I'd prepared myself for a day with the kids anyway.

My friend has one daughter who's going in and one who isn't - think of the unhappiness at that household.

Stanleymad 23-04-2008 10:09

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 566688)
My friend has one daughter who's going in and one who isn't - think of the unhappiness at that household.

:eek::eek::eek: i must have a really un & happy household :rofl38:, 1 has been off all week so far plus tommoz with fire damaged school, the middle one has half a day off tommoz & the other is not off, its being a fun week:rolleyes::hidewall:

AccyMad 23-04-2008 11:32

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 566682)
Ah well saved me trying lol, i know its definately shut accymad, its been listed on the online telegraph as a definate {typical only school in accy to have a complete shut day** was going to try & ring em to get any clarification of when its open to pupils again, most say friday but the issue with my 1 is that nobody else much is going to be going on friday anyway as why should parents wash uniform or get them back for 1 day:confused: Obviously want her back to school asap but says no point for 1 day & the usual well nobody else is flannel, do u know any more & what are your thoughts as getting no information from school or media typically.

Know what you mean, I've had exactly the same argument with my lad about going in just for one day :confused:.
I tried to ring the school yesterday but just got the answering machine which is why I rang my friend last night to ask her, didn't see the point getting him up early on Thursday to listen to the radio 'just in case'. She did say that her and another member of staff had gone in on Monday with the intention of sending out letters informing parents that they would be closed on Thursday but couldn't do it because their server is down after the fire so they have had to rely on Radio Lancs & 2BR putting out info and word of mouth to get the message out, not an ideal situation and there'll probably be some who'll kids turn up tomorrow . Just thought by posting on here I could let a few more people know what's going on.

Stanleymad 24-04-2008 13:47

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 566746)
Know what you mean, I've had exactly the same argument with my lad about going in just for one day :confused:.
I tried to ring the school yesterday but just got the answering machine which is why I rang my friend last night to ask her, didn't see the point getting him up early on Thursday to listen to the radio 'just in case'. She did say that her and another member of staff had gone in on Monday with the intention of sending out letters informing parents that they would be closed on Thursday but couldn't do it because their server is down after the fire so they have had to rely on Radio Lancs & 2BR putting out info and word of mouth to get the message out, not an ideal situation and there'll probably be some who'll kids turn up tomorrow . Just thought by posting on here I could let a few more people know what's going on.

Just rang the education dept seems they must of had many calls cos they cut me short on my sentence to reply the school is definately open tommorow they have confirmed with the school. The young one has even more of a hump with me now hehehehee - so hoping majority attend tommorow to prove her wrong:rolleyes:

AccyMad 24-04-2008 18:05

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 567168)
Just rang the education dept seems they must of had many calls cos they cut me short on my sentence to reply the school is definately open tommorow they have confirmed with the school. The young one has even more of a hump with me now hehehehee - so hoping majority attend tommorow to prove her wrong:rolleyes:

Well my lad's definately going, despite his attempts to persuade me otherwise - funny thing is he was fed up and ready to go back after the two weeks they were supposed to have was up :rolleyes:

emzy 24-04-2008 18:07

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I noticed a few kids turning up at mount carmel today then turning back again lol

(even saw a few parents driving their kids up and taking them back again)

Stanleymad 24-04-2008 19:23

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 567291)
Well my lad's definately going, despite his attempts to persuade me otherwise - funny thing is he was fed up and ready to go back after the two weeks they were supposed to have was up :rolleyes:

Hehehehe they dont half try heehe, mine is defo going back tommoz luckily friday is a good day, having said that she's been a bit bored apart from bugging me, tho luckily today was an off day as had an appointment to attend so would of been off anyway this morning.

Stanleymad 24-04-2008 19:26

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Originally Posted by emzy (Post 567292)
I noticed a few kids turning up at mount carmel today then turning back again lol

(even saw a few parents driving their kids up and taking them back again)

:rofl38: that doesn't surprise me tho the school havent really given parents much info excuses being the server is down but what about a good old fashioned thing called the telephone, they have presumed word of mouth is enough & media reported early on, so has left many parents confused, no surprise the school is unioned by the NUT really:D


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