Kids fighting
 

I dont agree with this.

Shocking pictures which show tearful five-year-olds forced to fight in kickboxing contests | the Mail on Sunday

My nephew who has just turned 5 goes to Young Dragons which is karate for kids before the age of 7. Somehow i dont think he does this and if he did my niece (his mum) would have something to say.

Think i'll watch this on Thursday night. Just to see how bad it is. But like it says in the article - its the parents who are behind it. One of the parents is a father of a 5 year old girl who is fighting - and he says he sends her to classes because when she is 15 then she will be able to look after herself. Thats 10 years away - and theres self defence classes. She doesnt need to be fighting at the age of 5 - she should be playing with her dolls, or playing with her friends etc.

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wow........ now the five year olds are being taught how to beat the other kids up.... are teachers going to get self defence classes as well for when these kids get mad at school......small children are not well known for being able to control their tempers!

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I have heard that these classes are good for helping kids control their temper and outbursts and learning self discipline, and is used as a controlled way of a child "letting off steam" .As with all martial arts its not just about fighting.


*****This is what I have read somewhere and been told so dont shoot me if you disagree please*****



Although am not fully in agreeance with them learning something like that at such a young age. Could you just imagine me sending my 2 somewhere like that???? I would have sparring in the living room on a daily basis!!

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Tyler did go to judo for a little while but they dont actually learn any fighting, just the self control( he didnt go for long he didnt like it) they mostly spend the lesson doing rolls and things. They can earn the belts and it gives them something to aim for and a sense of pride at achieveing it...

Emzy, i can remember us reading that when i was gunna sign tyler up for the one at the bottom of the street.

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Glad it wasnt just another one of my "dreams" lol

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lol, no, not this time :p

we were trying to convince you-know-who that it was worth the money......

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I think that it is discusting that this goes on, if parents think that this if ok for their kids then they should have their kids taken off them, it's bloodsport for kids and should be banned end of

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Im all for karate and Judo... these are good for children but dont involve and fighting, its excercise whih is always good and for the point emzy has said and the ones in my previous post....Usually the children are taught not use thier skills unless they need to.. It is wrong to MAKE children fight.

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A lot of the time is the Parents ego that makes the kids do these things, not that the kids themseles want to do it. Its the same with lots of things, the worst one is now Junior football. There was an item on Sky Spors News only last week hat said the number of games being abandoned due to prental interference has soared over the last few years

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I'm keeping an open mind until I see the programme.

I agree that the idea of 2 five years olds fighting with the parents screaming 'encouragement' is hard to swallow, however we all know the competitiveness of parents even at a school sports day.

Marshall arts are all centred around self control and discipline. I disagree with violence, however in this day and age, when its not abnormal for teenagers to carry knives (and worse) I would like to think that my son will be able to defend himself and so marshall arts is something I have considered for him

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This has been allover the news and it doesn't appear to be about learning self-defence to me, it just seems to be aggressive parents trying too force their kids into doing something they don't want to do. Will watch the programme but can't see it changing my mind.

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Its just dog fighting but with kids instead of dogs. Its disgusting. I have to admit i have considered sending my little lad to some form of martial arts training (when he is older obviously lol), but purely on the belief that in this day and age you need to be able to protect yourself. But id never encourage him to fight, and any parent who would doesnt deserve kids imo.

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Tonight at 9pm

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An excellent example of why teachers deserve a pay increase

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Anybody else watching it?? It is pure unaldulterated aggression, sick is my opinion

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Just watched it now. Not too sure what to think really, as i was expecting a lot worse. I thought it was going to be rough kids from rough areas just fighting in some guys back yard while his drunken mates cheer them on. I was pleased to see that it is quite well organised and seemed to be making a good effort in regards to the safety of the kids. The only problem i have is the parents pushing thier kids in the way they did, everyone wants thier kids to be succesful at something but atleast wait until they are old enough to make the decisions for themselves, at the end of the day your childhood is the most fun times your ever supposed to have so why stop your children having thier childhood.

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That is just plain awful, they are being forced to fight each other when they obviously dont want to! HORRIBLE!!!

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The little girl that was forced to fight, sickened me watching that bit, love to give her dad a kick to the face tbh. The older lads towards the end seemed to really enjoy it though, although i am slightly concerned about the mental damage it may be causing (lot of pressure for a ten year old).

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If you watched it you heard the dads saying it was always their dream and some of the mums were no better. They were/are living their dreams through their kids IMHO. The lad called Thai was in the ring at two and a half years old, don't tell me he chose to be there:mad:

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what side was it on ??(channel)

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'Come on Princess!'

'Kick her in the head!'

I've just watched it, and it was disturbing.

Unregulated, lots of differing 'offical' bodies, governing what is and isn't allowed, such as punches to the head, which was shown in one filmed fight.

The most disturbing aspect about the programme was the parents.

Boxing clubs used to be seen as the saviour for many working class boys, in that it taught them discipline, pride in themselves, and helped keep them out of trouble.

The whole idea of small kids, some as young as three, kicking seven bells out of each other, while their parents scream encouragement from the sidelines, and for one to be told they are the winner, and one the loser, all seems very sad.

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Was Channel 4, at 9pm.

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Ty G will try and watch online because i missed it , although by sounds of it may be quite disturbing

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It's not really gruesome, and I did sit there thinking to myself that at least these people were taking an interest in their kids, even if it was to live out their own fantasties.

I suppose that also happens with many pushy parents, who train their children to play, rugby, tennis, or the violin for hour after hour, in the vain hope of glory.

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What I found most disturbing was the parents, they were like lunatics shouting for their kids to kick seven bells of it out of other kids. So very sad:mad:

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Surely you can see the difference to me it was violent parents teaching their kids how to be more violent but in the extreme

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I do see, and my first post pointed that out.

You can't really say these were violent parents. They're the ones who beat their kids senseless behind closed doors. These were parents encouraging their kids to fight, with a referee stood next to them, and some sort of rules, and wearing protection.

Like I said, I too found it disturbing, but how many of us here, when their kids have been bullied, have not encouraged them to stand up for themselves, and knock the stuffing out of the bully?

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Take your point but to me the implications could be much worse. One fight on there was stopped because one of the lads collapsed because he was stunned by a blow to the head. Really can't see how any parent would encourage their child be it a son or a daughter in what can at best be described as a dangerous sport. In fact to me it isn't a sport!!!

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We have the same thing in Canada ... we call it Hockey:D ... the last controversy was over a bench clearing brawl involving 8 yr olds ... and then there is the odd occurence of parents beating the crap out of the refs and the coaches. The reason that Canada regularly wins the world Hockey championships is that our players are raised to play a very physical form of the game .... skating and stick handling are important, but if you can't intimidate the opposition you don't win. Don't really agree with it at the Pee Wee level ... but once the kids get to Midget and Junior level it isn't fair not to stress the physical ... all of these kids want to make the NHL, and that is all out, no holds barred hockey. But as a character building method? I do think there are better ways.

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Damn will have to wait for it to be listed.

Will say though When mine were little i encouraged them to stand up for themselves and still do, Thay have had there fair share of bullying at school but always coped reasonably well with them . Cant really judge till ive seen it but sound very much like the parents are in the wrong for chanting at thier kids in the ring.
Its one thing teaching your children to stick up for themselves and another to teach them to display thier fights for all and..
Children need to be taught how to behave and how to react to certain cicumstances

Mr Flanagan believes that the training will help his daughter take care of herself.

"If someone grabs Miah when she's 15 what do you think is going to happen? She knows all the defence moves," he said.


Which is all well and good but do these moves have to be turned into a competition where there are kids that are genuinly going to be **** scared to be going in the ring with them.

Parents bullying IMO and living a life through their kids.

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Will let you watch it but would say you have got it right but even more sad parents bullying their own kids.

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A couple of lads i used to work with are training in mma (mixed martial arts), and i have to say there is a lot of discipline and hard work put into it and i have seen how much pressure they put on themselves to be the best and i do think to place that much pressure on young children is very unfair and potentially damaging. To be honest i disagree with the fighting side of it, but atleast the parents are taking an interest in what thier kids are doing (obviously id prefer it if they calmed down a little with how much they force thier kids rather than encourage).

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I wonder if anyone has done any research into the damaging affect of fighting on young, developing bodies ... I do believe that Hockey Canada, which oversees organized hockey in Canada, has rules about the amount of contact allowed at certain levels. Somewhere between "no contact for the six-year-olds and complete mayhem for those in their teens." I sort of get the impression that the problem here is with the parents and not with the sport. MMA is becoming a major sport, with all kinds of coverage on TV and with the big events in UFC on pay-per-view. So, apart from character building there is the potential for a big bucks future for those with talent.