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The results have appeared on the Hyndburn website Local Election Results - Local Elections 2008

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Glad nearly all the wards had higher than 30% turnout though they're still low.

Central was interesting, huge turnout there for a local!

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Yes it was, I wonder, have the discussions about voting we've had on here recently assisted at all in getting people to take the time and vote? I hope so.

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Some people don't want to vote and no amount of persuasion will change that.

I wonder whether it is better to get everyone to vote or whether its wiser to have only people who are actually interested voting. Is it not more damaging if people just vote for the sake of it? Surely they must only be judging the book by the cover rather than reading it from cover to cover first if they do that?

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As stated in another thread, considering what has happened in the rest of the country, I think Labour did incredibley well just to lose Altham, always seen as a marginal seat.

Very often mid term local elections and by-elections are used to send a message to central government. Those of us old enough to remember will recall the many safe Tory seats that were lost in the eighties, when by-elections happened mid-term at constituencies that were at the heart of true blue middle England.

If I was a member of the local Conservative party, today's results would leave me very disappointed. If Hyndburn can't reflect what has happened in the rest of the country, I'd be fairly worried about the next General Election.

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Perhaps because, of the discussions on here some people did take a closer look at who, what, how and why?
But to abandon the none-voters rather than encourage them to think, is a negative attitude that doesn't do British politics any good at all?
:)

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30% increase in a target ward, I am not at all disappointed!

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I agree with talking about it publicly and giving people the opportunity to take an interest, i'm just wondering more about whether its worth hassling those who don't want to vote about it.

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If you mean making it legal to force people to vote as hassling, then no, we shouldn't, everyone has the right to vote or not to vote whatever is their choice.

But if you mean discussing it voluntarily on an open forum such as this is hassling them then no it isn't, they can always ignore this type of thread if they choose to.
:hehetable

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Then you're easily satisfied.

I would have wanted to see the kind of massive swing that has happened in the rest of the country.

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I just think that there is unnecessary abuse aimed at some people just because they openly say that they aren't going to vote. They shouldn't have to avoid threads which they have posted in simply because they are being bullied into feeling they should be voting.

If there is nobody you feel represents you at elections then who are you meant to vote for?

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Incase you hadn't notice we already had a Conservative council and have done for some time. This obviously means the Conservatives have a much harder chance of meeting national swings, not rocket science!

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I said they can ignore, (freedom of choice), not avoid these threads, as for bullying them into voting no that shouldn't happen either, but encouraging them to think it would be worthwhile? nothing wrong with that.

Life has it's choices and compromises, we all look at the choices and then pick the one that is closest to our own views, they may not represent all of our views that is where compromise comes in.

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Not everybody is willing to compromise unfortunately, nor do people understand how you can support a party but go against their views sometimes.

Not everybody wants to have to ignore talking about their political views either even if it is a case of stating there is nobody that they wish to vote for, so I don't think ignoring the existence of threads should be their only option. There is nothing wrong with criticising peoples views and beliefs, but there are times when people gang up on each other and I dont think its the right way to get people interested in politics.

I think there is more to be said in not voting at all if a party doesn't represent you. Why should a party get the satisfaction on thinking it has done its best to represent everyone when the reality is that the majority do not feel like there is anyone representative enough of them to vote for?

And believe me, I am currently experiencing the joys of compromise right now as I have had to go against my tory beliefs to back a department of the university, which is under threat because of tory ideology. So to the point that the socialists are now calling me comrade >.< Fortunately I am able to tell wrong from right and not be completely blinded by my political agenda. I am not naive enough to believe that everyone is willing to do the same though.

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Okay Rindi your trying to save face or Labours face, the point is Hyndburn is not a natural Tory seat, We have a Labour MP and 6 Labour County Councillors, we have to work very hard to stay in control, always have and always will, but the fact is, that local people can see that the Tory run council have financially turned the Borough around, Okay everything ain't as good as it could be, but you can only move forward on the back of a sound financial base, and you have the people with the business nous to implement that way forward

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It's not my job to save face, as again I'm non-partisan.

I dispute the fact that 'Hyndburn is not a natural Tory seat'.

The country, and this area, have changed from the old rule of manufacturing areas being Labour, and leafy suburbs being true blue. Afterall for most of the Thatcher years this constituency had a Conservative M.P.

I'm genuienly suprised that locally Labour didn't take more of a bashing in Hyndburn, which it appears to have done in the rest of the country. The loss of one seat is neither here nor there.

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Ya we did have a Tory MP but we will be very luck to ever have one again, the goal posts have been moved, I think they used to call it Gerrymandering. When you look back to 1996 the council was 44 Labour 3 Conservative, there are now just 35 seats, but I cant ever see the Tories having say 30 to 5 advantage, as I said in my earlier post we have to wor hard to keep power

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There's been huge boundary changes since the Thatcher era. No need to save face when Conservatives are INCREASING the majority on the council that they have already held for years.

I do like your posts though Rindi, I never fail to literally laugh out loud, to the wonder of anybody near me, whenever you write your non-partisan line ;)

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Massive change of views since January :confused:
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ort-36395.html

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Maybe but out of the 12 wards voted on last night Labour only took a third of them. The majority of yesterdays wards were already Tory.

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Where's the yawning smiley?

I'm non-partisan in that I'm not, nor have ever been, a member of any political party, nor have any affiliations to any particular party.

On this forum I've both ctiticised the Labour government, as well as praising the local Conservative party, and Ken Hargreaves, our former Conservative M.P.

Unlike you I have no political agenda to push, and am free to praise or crtiticise as I see fit.

Still, if I've brought laughter to the life of the politically blind, I'll take that as a gift.

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Like I said, I honestly expected much bigger losses for Labour in Hyndburn.

I say this not with hindsight, as I said yesterday that the writing was on the wall, and the country was intent on sending a message to Brown.

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No worries, I have no need to push a political agenda. I call it how it is whether that be in support or against the Conservatives. As you know I've criticised them numerous times. So I guess I'm also as non-partisan as you apart from the membership - which means nothing unless you're blindly loyal, which I'm not. :)

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Yes I touched upon this in another thread and said somewhere that I wouldn't normally agree with not voting. Unfortunately I have met an increasing number of people voting for people merely for the sake of revolting against another party, which completely defeats the point in my opinion.

For example I have a friend at uni who suggested that the BNP were the only party supporting the british working class at the moment (which is nothing more than I expect from him) but the shock was that the labour, liberal AND socialist who I was with didn't bat an eye lid and said they can understand why he thinks such a thing, and unfortunately many people are thinking like him and voting for BNP.

I would rather that if people didn't genuinely back a party then they don't vote, and even more so if they have misconceptions about a party.

I know you were probably trying to just make me look like a hypocrite, but in fact all I can say is that I have genuinely changed my mind on the matter.

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Not at all, was merely pointing out how much you had mellowed in a short space of time. I presume the time you spend on here learning life off the wiser people in society has been time well spent ;)

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No I have just been living in the college bar with various types of people and formed a more well rounded opinion :p I still would prefer if people COULD vote confidently, or at least go and vote and scribble something like RON over their vote or something and at least make a statement of some sort, but silence can be as good as anything sometimes, the problem I think is that when people dont vote, politicians never look at it as if to think they didnt manage to represent those people, instead they just think they cant be bothered voting, and I dont think that really is the case anymore.

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Interesting vote in my fatherland that totally bucks the national trend. Lib Dem take control and not a single gain for the Tories. Maybe the real intelligency can see that the 2 main parties are so busy scratching each others eyes out and the other alternative riot squad is not really an alternative after all, that it's time for change :D

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To go from "people that don't vote are stupid and deserve to be exploited by the political party that wins" to "there is unnecessary abuse aimed at some people just because they aren't going to vote" in 4 months is some U-turn! Can we expect to see you on here supporting the Socialist Workers' Party by autumn? ;)

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Not likely because I made a public statement that I would indeed throw myself off Bowland Tower if such a thing was to happen. Which I suppose is a sign that I have considered the possibility. University corrupts innocent tory minds, please do not sen your children there.

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Doubt it, voting socialist is almost the same as not voting ;)

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I should add that the main reason for this change of heart is possibly a temporary one, as I think there is a genuine difficulty in defining who is actually representing who at the moment. Seems to be confusion over who both the Labour party and the Conservatives are representing and it is leading to people genuinely feeling like they are just being deceived somewhere and probably going to be let down again.

I have some pretty committed Labour friends at University, even more so than tory boy Cyfr to the tories, and he genuinely didn't know what to do at elections. If someone who understands and studies politics doesn't know what to do than how can the ordinary citizen?

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Who doesn't know what to do?

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A friend of mine at university, did I not make that clear, I apologise :) I obviously wasn't referring to anyone here though, I don't think I have any 'labour friends' on accyweb :p

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I do apologise, I thought you were referring to me so I was a bit confused.

Are you saying this person is a labour member, studies politics and doesnt know how to vote?

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Your quite right Neil, that's why I cant understand where Rindi is coming from you can't make big gains when you already have the lions share
We were defending 7 and fighting 5 one of which we won 1 Altham
we defended St Andrews, St. Oswalds, Netherton, Overton, Central, Baxenden and Barnfield. of the other 4 we haven't won Springhill and Peel since Adam was a lad, we have very little chance of winning Church since the boundry changes a few years ago and in Rishton, Labour have very popular councillor in Harry Grayson, who is the face of the hospice and is very well known and liked in the town. If Labour were as good as Graham Joneses mouth makes them out to be then they would have been pusing hard to win in our 7 Tory held seats, but the thing is they didn't really trouble the scorers, in fact I believe we called it a day at 6pm in Ossy, job done, and I think Labour came 3rd in St Andrews, behind the wandering Liberal, who I don't think knocked on a door or even put out any leaflets. I'll settle for that performance every year, especially only 1 years ago labour had a 41 seat majority

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Or cheat. I see the Police have been called in this year. Three old ladies voted Labour (as they wanted) through 'a man (who said he was) from the Council' who came around to get them to sign a form so they didn't have to go to the Polling Station. Three supporters of XXXXXXXX returned proxy votes for XXXXXXXXXX. That's just the tip. The Lib Dems are going mad are several issues they found.

Last year you were found out doing a votes for favour's (part of the Taxi Licences to sex offenders for votes) but you won't release the report. (Because your in it up to your neck) Well I've seen it and so has Jean Battle. Now it can't be found! Not released even to Councillor's because of 'race relations' issues.

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Obviously he knows HOW to vote, I meant he is in a dilemma as to whether Labour actually still actually represent his views anymore, and there are a lot of people like this knocking around.

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Thats very interesting

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In all the excitment, we should acknowledge that one of our regular members has been elected for the first time so we should congratulate her.

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Would be nicer to congratulate her in a thread that doesn't have so much negative vibe to it perhaps :p

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It wouldn't be so bad if we knew who she is:D

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Can we have guesses at it?...I'll go for Lynn Wilson in Netherton and I reckon her nom-de-plume is "Lilly". A total shot in the dark, of course...am I warm?

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Well Graham seeing we are talking about the happenings of yesterday can you shed any light on what I have been hearing that there was an assult on Councillor Britcliffe at last nights count:confused:

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Changed my mind, I now think it's Sue Howarth in Altham, but I still reckon it's "Lily".

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So what was the target ward?

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Thank you for your congratulations Gayle. I feel very hounoured to have been elected by the people of Church.

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Wrong! Ah well, never mind...congratulations, Claytonender.

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Thank you

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congratulations Gayle

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sorry read the thread wrong.............congratulations claytonender :confused:

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Congratulations Claytonender

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Well I assume that was Altham?

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Well claytonender her's one I bet you thought you'd never get, congratulations, well done:eek::)

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congratulations x

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wow

central was a close run thing! if tariq cud've smoothed things over with the lib dem guy he cud well have been in power. thats his own failing. i didnt think it wud b as close as it was in the end!

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What a load of tosh!

If we all only voted for a party we genuinely backed, then no-one not even the most die hard, members of any party would ever vote, we all agree and disagree with various points that are brought up by all, the parties at some time or the other, but if I could only vote for Joe Scroggins because he agrees with everything I say it would probably be because I AM, Joe Scroggins!

We vote in an imperfect system that exists in an imperfect world, if we could agree with every aspect about any one party then it would no doubt be 'the perfect' party, no need to change them therefore no need for mere mortals to vote.

Therefore we vote for the person, (or party), we feel to be closest to our own wishes and beliefs, it IS a compromise, without that compromise even you would have to negate yourself from voting!
:p

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I never said genuinely back a party 100%, just genuinely back a party. Please don't put words into my mouth.

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personally i think councils shud b scrapped. waste of time and money.

in some area's with large asian populations they only won because of their caste etc

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Again what a load of tosh!

I don't want to back A party, I want to vote for a person or party that talks the most sense for the time I'm living in.

As for putting words in your mouth...
no way, you would still get them wrong even if I said them slowly enough for you to repeat!
:D

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What I find fascinating is the large part that party politics plays in your local elections ... our councilors, altho' they no doubt have party affiliations, all run as, well I suppose independents is the best way of putting it. Party politics is never an issue, and is hardly ever mentioned, altho' one can guess a person's affiliation from the way they vote in council. I wonder how productive it is to drag party politics into municipal affairs, and I also question whether the ususal party bickering and posturing would not detract from the purpose of local govt. which is to do their best for the community. Just a few musings from the middle of nowhere.

And congrats Claytonender.

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Well when you can suggest I just said that after I have very OPENLY stated I don't agree with the tory iea of keeping open post offices is absurd, and I think you will fine it very much makes YOU look wrong.

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You mentioned earlier the count took place in the table tennis hall at the sports centre.

Did a lady contortionist fire out ping-pong balls at him?

Did anyone capture the alleged assault on camera?

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Don't know Rindi have never bin to a count for years, but I can assure you it wasn't ping pong balls either, well so his solicitor told me:D

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Just done a quick news scan, and there was nothing about him being assaulted, nor was it on the 6 o'clock news.

I'd have thought he'd have made more of a song and dance about it.:rolleyes:

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Na Peters not like that, anyway he can't dance and is singing is awful:D

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Must be that non-partisan mistrust of him that's playing on your judgement. ;)

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No, just that as an avid reader of the local press I know he likes to court publicity, especially if as in this alleged case he is the victim, and able to score some Brownie points against his opponents.

Quite disappointing really.

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Are we talking a verbal or a physical assault? :confused:

I was at the count. I left at 1.30am so unless something happened right at the very end I wasn't aware of it....certainly no fisticuffs anyway. :p

Wynonie, I can also confirm that I am neither Lynn Wilson or Susan Haworth lol. ;):D

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Come on Lilly, we were relying on you, as our fly on the counting house wall, to spill the beans.

You've failed the task, and Lilly I'm sorry to have to say this...

but you're fired.:D

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Oh no, don't fire me! :eek:

Last year I said there was quite a bit of jeering, taunts and heckling but there was none of that this time so nothing to report on that score. I was pleasantly surprised this time.

There were several candidates who, after nice clean campaigns, shook hands, congratulated each other and stood there getting on and chatting.:)

That's what we want. Why get all worked up and nasty?

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OK, sorry, Lilly. I definitely had you down as a prospective Conservative candidate. Maybe next time? ;)

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Well at Rossendale a candidate got chucked out of the count. It was an independant that was kicked out.

By the way i didnt go to the count. Was all tucked up in bed after watching the results come in - no way was i going to Bacup for 9.30 this morning. The count should have been held last night.

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From what I hear it was physical and the person concerned was bragging about it yesterday, apart from that can't help you

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bad taste joke removed

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How strange. It must have been right at the end of the night then.

I left at 1.30am and several people had already left before, there weren't that many people left in the hall.

I'm sure we'll find out what went on soon. I hope he's ok. :(

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I hope he's ok too, seriously.

Do you think it may have been you that did the assault Lilly, seeing as you didn't see it, and where there most of the night?

You might have swung your coat on as you were leaving, and it could have slapped him round the chops, without you knowing.:D

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Ooooh I did swing my coat on as I was leaving! Hope I didn't hit anyone with it though lol :eek:

No, it definitely wasn't me. I'm shocked really, whoever it was there's no excuse for physical violence.

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I quite agree.