London Gunman Shot Dead
 

Shoot at the Police....if you want topping?

BBC NEWS | England | London | Gunman shot dead in armed siege

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one less piece of scum on the streets...:)

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ah a bit of good news fer a change.

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What are the police expected to do? He was quite happy to fire shots into somebodies house.

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my mate works for hems so when the DR car pulled up i knew it was fatel (sop) when they drove of it was clear

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whats hems?:confused:

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helicopter emergency medical service on sky news they called them the flying docters

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cheers mate us owd farts have no idea what such initials are.:)

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you not that old cashman 22 years old

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i wish lol what ya on give me some.:D

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no sympathy ..:rolleyes:

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i have sympathy to the police and that lot but not to him ask your self could you shot some one and be ok?

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Agree the police were doing a job they get paid to do.

If someone were firing shots and I had access to a gun damn right i would fire and be ok with it. esp if you dont know if you,ll be next .

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one thing trojan officers (met call sign for armed police) do when they shot some one is hand over the guns this is due to two things 1 it could be a marder wepan also some can lose and shot themselfs

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Me too ... I got papers, beer, and real good rye whiskey.:alright:

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its becomming a popular way of "topping" yourself
Suicide by cop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
we seem to be getting at least one a month in my area , Cops don't seem to mind , they get desk duty for a while and Psych counselling. ;)

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You quite often hear the therm on American TV programs such as Law and Order, SVU, CI but in real life you have to have some sympathy for the Cop that has to pull the trigger, in most cases its shoot or be shot:(

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This fellow is a 33 year old practicing Barrister?

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anyone can flip, from any background, most don't own guns though i reckon.

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They do in the USofA .... come to think of it I have guns ... but I'm stable, or so the voices in my head tell me:eek:

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I just think that we do not know enough about this sad situation to comment on it......we can all make assumptions, but in the end a man has died and a family are grieving for someone who meant much to them.

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Yes Margaret a man died, but he died cowardly, the same as someone that walks in front of a train, a person can lose all reason and want to end it all but surely to force someone else into a position where they do it for you, be it the policeman with a gun or the poor sod driving a train.

To kill yourself is unfortunately a way some of us end up, to force your wish for death onto someone else's conscience is worth no defence.
:(

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I think we need to remember the reason the police shot at him.. he was shooting into a bedroom which could and would have had children in.... would we feel the same way if one of those bullets had hit and killed a child?

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He didn't want to die alone?

He thought he would get away with it?

No I don't remember the reason the police shot him,

I just know he was a selfish swine and the world is better without him, he got shot because he didn't give himself up, that is suicide, but it is selfish suicide, a person can kill themselves with far less drama or inconvenience to all around them.

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I totally agree with you Less, if you want to end it, don't involve someone else, this day and age if you want to top yourself it easy, without screwing someone elses life up as well

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no matter how you do it 'someone' has to clear you up. thats not nice on anyone

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How anyone can call this man scum is appalling. He was a very well respected person in society and clearly had issues. He wasn't AIMING at anything, he was shooting randomly.

I think this is what one would call a 'tragedy' rather than 'tragic', and it is sad that such a young and successful life has been taken away.

I agree that it is fair to shoot him down, whether the aim was to just injure him or to actually kill, but to make negative judgments about someone for what is clearly an incident brought on by some form of distress or mental health problem is just wrong in my opinion.

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He was shooting into a childs bedroom, I am sure any mother would find this fact very distressing. Maybe it can be looked on as lucky that the child wasn't in the room at the time.

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The news paper article I read never mentioned specifically shooting into a particular window, which would make sense seen as more than one house was damaged by his shots apparently.

Fortunate that he didn't hit anyone but at the same time, it appears the intention wasn't to actually shoot anyone seen as he had the opportunity and didn't take it to shoot one of his neighbours. Maybe I am just being too logical, but I think if my neighbour was stood shouting at me to stop shooting at property and I intended to hurt people and get killed anyway, I would've just shot her.

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How can ya claim he was shooting randomly? a newspaper report.:rolleyes: was on the news tonight that his parents are demanding answers, so they obviously don't really know yet.

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Well from what I remember from the newspaper report the family just didn't know WHY he did it, not what he actually did.

I don't care what he did anyway, I don't think this man can be classed as a criminal and that is just my view.

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How do you reach that conclusion? It is a criminal offence to carry a weapon in public:confused::confused:

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also were you discharge a firearm, he obviously flipped but still commited criminal actions.

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Just checked the story again. He was using a shotgun; those must be easy enough to come by .... but not very effective unless at close range against someone without a bullet proof vest. Ah well, he must have been sane enough to realize that shooting at the coppers is a good way to get their attention:eek:

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Unless you are in NYC, then all you have to do is go to a stag.:D

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would guess its invalid? is if ya top yerself i'm told.

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And its obvious he wanted to commit suicide by cop:(

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He was firing through the glass in his window, therefore in his house, and he had a license for the weapon. He'd get the blame for criminal damage to the properties no doubt, but I still don't think this man is a criminal.

Maybe if I lived life giving everything its literal meaning then yes, I might say that man is a criminal, but then I think a huge number of people would be able to define themselves on this forum as a criminal, myself definitely included, which would be ridiculous.

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Sometime I scratch my head at some of your posts blazey, must be you ambitoin to be a defence lawyer when you finish Uni. He might have had a license for the gun but unfortunealy that does not give him the right to take pot shots at the police on the streets of the capital, as someone who was well versed in the law he knew exactly what he was doing, and would be quite aware what the outcome would be, as in bang bang your dead

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I do intend on going into defense actually, but not criminal law, but unfortunately I still study it and I can't help but look for technicalities, I pay £3000 a year to be taught to do it.

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Firing a gun, licenced or not, at the police or public, from inside a house or outside. is a criminal offence therefore this activity makes the man a criminal surely?

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Like I said, I think he had issues with his mental health therefore I don't see him as a criminal. I've read many cases where women have killed their abusive husbands, do you think they are criminal?

Just because something is defined as a criminal act doesn't necessarily make someone a criminal by anything other than literal definition for doing that thing. How many people speed on the motorway, are they 'criminals' to you?

I can't think of a clearer way to explain this viewpoint, so I am not going to attempt to explain it again, and either way, he aint going to court for trial so it doesn't really matter.

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I think you should discuss this issue with your university tutors and peers.
I think you sign off in exactly the same way.

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Sorry but what does that mean :p I 'sign off'?

We discussed the issue of what is a criminal during the first term and whether we considered ourselves to be law abiding citizens or criminals etc, so I have covered this topic already.

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I use the expression 'sign off' in the context of saying you have made your point and no matter what anyone says you think you are right.

I think you should tell your tutors that you didn't understand the subject in the first term...........they may consider going over the subject in more detail as you seem not to have taken the subject on board first time round.

Learning is a very serious subject and you do it throughout your life.
Our Jails are full of 'mental criminals'

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It's an opinion, it isn't a matter of being wrong or right. Our jails are full of 'mental criminals' who should be receiving medical treatment rather than being thrown in prison with people who have committed crimes with a sound mind.

Why would I tell my tutors I didn't understand the subject when I passed with a high 2.1? By you saying that to me you are equally saying you are right and I am wrong, but there isn't really much point preaching further about it is there? I'm not going to change your opinion and you aren't going to change mine, and there are a hell of a lot of things that are more important than ranting about the definition of a criminal. I think your post is quite a personal attack to be quite frank.