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Tealeaf 11-05-2008 13:55

What should Greg Pope do next?
 
Well, we all know by now Grag kicked off all the fuss with Gordon Brown over the 10p tax debacle. Whatever the detailed outcome of that will be, the government is now the most unpopular administration for the last 40 years. Well, public opinion is a fickle thing and a week is a long time in politics but if there is no change by the next election then Mr Pope will be out of a job and Hyndburn with Haslingden will be a Tory seat again. Well, Greg is not a bad lad as a constituency MP - he is certainly popular on here, irrespective of people's political preferences - so the question is this:- what strategy should do you thinkhe now adopt in order to keep his seat?

garinda 11-05-2008 13:59

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Personally I feel he should carry on exactly as he is now.

harwood red 11-05-2008 14:01

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The closest I could vote was to become a rebel, but that is not exactly what I want... I just want him to stand by his beliefs... regardless of what anyone thinks of the govt I would vote for him if he didn't back down from what he had stood for

Tealeaf 11-05-2008 14:02

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 574770)
Personally I feel he should carry on exactly as he is now.


So he's voted out!

The last question on the poll should read "Retire into Annie's Bar for the rest of the parliament" (dodgy keyboard again).

emamum 11-05-2008 14:03

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Ban the use of his name in accyweb polls......always ends up as an argument




*ooooh deja-vu :D:D*

garinda 11-05-2008 14:08

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 574772)
So he's voted out!

Your opinion maybe, but personally I feel it depends on whether people vote on national party politics at the next election, or who they think will be the best representative at Westminster.

It also depends on who he stands against.

The rumoured Tory candidate would greatly increase Greg's chances of remaining as our M.P.

Tealeaf 11-05-2008 14:09

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 574775)
Your opinion maybe, but personally I feel it depends on whether people vote on national party politics at the next election, or who they think will be the best representative at Westminster.

It also depends on who he stands against.

The rumoured Tory candidate would greatly increase Greg's chances of remaining as our M.P.


Spill the beans....who's the Tory? Not Britcliffe, surely?

cashman 11-05-2008 14:15

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perhaps he should put a contract out on Brown? :D

garinda 11-05-2008 14:20

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 574776)
Spill the beans....who's the Tory? Not Britcliffe, surely?


Even the local Tories wouldn't be so daft as to go for third time unlucky.

Apparently the local Conservative party want Janet Storey as their candidate, but Tory H.Q. are too thrilled with their choice.;)

garinda 11-05-2008 14:25

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 574778)
Even the local Tories wouldn't be so daft as to go for third time unlucky.

Apparently the local Conservative party want Janet Storey as their candidate, but Tory H.Q. are too thrilled with their choice.;)

By the way, she isn't offically the candidate, she was put forward when it looked like Brown may have called a General Election last Autumn, and the local Tories were flappling around in a panic, without any suitable opponents to stand against Greg Pope.

cashman 11-05-2008 15:48

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as my choice is not really practical, i voted become a rebel, hes a damn good local MP n deserves better n that rabble.

blazey 11-05-2008 15:55

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I don't think it helps the Labour party if it's members leave just because of a little controversy, he should stand his ground and stick by his beliefs. But if not then he should go Tory ;) just for a laugh.

garinda 11-05-2008 16:04

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It's reported in today's Sunday Times that both Greg and Frank Fields were invited to Alistair Darling's office for tea on Tuesday.

Somehow I don't think you can quell rebellions with cucumber sandwiches and Earl Gray.

By the way, why was there no option for Greg to challenge Brown for the Premiership?

It'd be fun to have a P.M. from Hyndburn.:D

garinda 11-05-2008 16:08

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How come Blazey has voted twice, for two different options????

blazey 11-05-2008 16:09

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 574833)
How come Blazey has voted twice, for two different options????

It's multiple choice, hence why the boxes for selection are square instead of circles. Think it tells you that before you vote though.

emamum 11-05-2008 16:10

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because you can! ive just voted for all of them to see if it worked..... sorry :(

blazey 11-05-2008 16:11

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 574835)
because you can! ive just voted for all of them to see if it worked..... sorry :(

Well, I didn't think it was worth sabotaging the result for that purpose lol when it TELLS you you can do that but whatever :p mad woman

emamum 11-05-2008 16:13

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please ignore my votes... i have absolutely no idea what i am doing.....

please refer to my sig for proof

I think the cow poo fumes coming through my window are affecting my brain

Wynonie Harris 11-05-2008 16:28

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Become a Labour rebel like Frank Fields and the late Gwyneth Dunwoody. We need more politicians like them!

entwisi 11-05-2008 21:15

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I'd rather have an MP who votes how his constituency would like him to vote either for teh benefit of the people or becasue teh majority of people canvass him to do so. During the Iraq War vote he openly said he didn't care what the people of hyndburn wanted him to vote for he would do what "HE" wanted

I notice the goverment are good at quickly introducing things when it benefits them but extremely slow when it comes to giving back. all people want is an equal crack of the whip.

PS, not voted casue there wasn't a "resign" option.

The only thing I think he has in his favour is that the Conservatives should announce who will be standing against him now so that person can start making waves in the community, they can start holding surgeries and they can start building the very rapport that so many people on here seem to hold in Gregs favour. Unfortunately they seem to have their heads up their backsides. fo goodness sake put Cyfr up for it. He has more drive and vigour in his arguments and a genuine passion for it than I have seen in any politician round this neck of the woods.

Lilly 11-05-2008 21:24

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 575090)
I'd rather have an MP who votes how his constituency would like him to vote either for teh benefit of the people or becasue teh majority of people canvass him to do so. During the Iraq War vote he openly said he didn't care what the people of hyndburn wanted him to vote for he would do what "HE" wanted

I notice the goverment are good at quickly introducing things when it benefits them but extremely slow when it comes to giving back. all people want is an equal crack of the whip.

PS, not voted casue there wasn't a "resign" option.

The only thing I think he has in his favour is that the Conservatives should announce who will be standing against him now so that person can start making waves in the community, they can start holding surgeries and they can start building the very rapport that so many people on here seem to hold in Gregs favour. Unfortunately they seem to have their heads up their backsides. fo goodness sake put Cyfr up for it. He has more drive and vigour in his arguments and a genuine passion for it than I have seen in any politician round this neck of the woods.

I think that Cyfr would make a good MP too. :)

garinda 11-05-2008 23:02

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 575090)
The only thing I think he has in his favour is that the Conservatives should announce who will be standing against him now so that person can start making waves in the community, they can start holding surgeries and they can start building the very rapport that so many people on here seem to hold in Gregs favour. Unfortunately they seem to have their heads up their backsides.

They might think a different approach might be more successful this time, and that's why they can't decide who should stand against Greg Pope, and that's why they're keeping them under wraps.

After all there was no higher profile local Conservative candidate than Peter Britcliffe, and the people of Hyndburn declined his kind offer of being our M.P....twice.

andrewb 12-05-2008 08:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 574778)
Even the local Tories wouldn't be so daft as to go for third time unlucky.

Apparently the local Conservative party want Janet Storey as their candidate, but Tory H.Q. are too thrilled with their choice.;)

You and Jones seem to have more inside knowledge than the local Conservatives have. I am jealous.

As far as the two elections go, the Conservatives hardly made inroads anywhere, I don't think it was simply down to people voting personally against Britcliffe.

jaysay 12-05-2008 09:05

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 575219)
You and Jones seem to have more inside knowledge than the local Conservatives have. I am jealous.

As far as the two elections go, the Conservatives hardly made inroads anywhere, I don't think it was simply down to people voting personally against Britcliffe.

Well I'm a bit jealous too Cyfr, seeing that I'm a party member and am entitled to have a say on the matter, and I haven't been made aware of any short list being decided upon yet. On Greg Pope, I agree with entwis, he should take into consideration the thoughts of the people of Hyndburn, its no use making a token protest then backing down, when Brown fobs him of

andrewb 12-05-2008 09:08

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 575090)
fo goodness sake put Cyfr up for it. He has more drive and vigour in his arguments and a genuine passion for it than I have seen in any politician round this neck of the woods.

Haha, maybe I'll be a late runner? Some young blood ;)

One day :p

jaysay 12-05-2008 09:09

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 575096)
I think that Cyfr would make a good MP too. :)

Well havig met this young man and talked to him at lenghth, I cannot disagree Lilly, one day I'm sure he will make a good MP, but before that he needs to complte his education and then cut his teeth on the local council, maybe Peel Ward in four years time:D

jaysay 12-05-2008 09:13

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 574776)
Spill the beans....who's the Tory? Not Britcliffe, surely?

Tealeaf I can categorically confirm it will not be Peter Britcliffe

garinda 12-05-2008 10:56

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 575229)
Tealeaf I can categorically confirm it will not be Peter Britcliffe

Oh, so you do know something, just not as much as me about the local Conservative's preferred candidate?

What can I say, besides I have friends in low places? Plus the fact that Janet Storey's name appeared in the press as a prospective candidate, when the local Conservatives were caught off guard last Autumn when a General Election was a possibility.

My little mole tells me that although Janet Storey is the local choice, the bigwigs down in London at Tory H.Q., feel she might not be the face of 'hug a hoodie' 'new' Conservatism.

There's nothing like unity....and this is nothing like it.

jaysay 12-05-2008 11:16

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 575286)
Oh, so you do know something, just not as much as me about the local Conservative's preferred candidate?

What can I say, besides I have friends in low places? Plus the fact that Janet Storey's name appeared in the press as a prospective candidate, when the local Conservatives were caught off guard last Autumn when a General Election was a possibility.

My little mole tells me that although Janet Storey is the local choice, the bigwigs down in London at Tory H.Q., feel she might not be the face of 'hug a hoodie' 'new' Conservatism.

There's nothing like unity....and this is nothing like it.

Well Rindi, I no longer attend any party meetings, but before the local party can select a Parliamentry candidate it has to go before the membership, so Janet can't be the prefared choise as you put it, but if se was it would have sod all to do with London, we select our own candidate not London, unlike the Labour party who foist candidates on people . As for Peter not standing he told me a long time ago that he has no intention of going for nation politics again

andrewb 12-05-2008 11:17

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Although she might be a possible candidate, its by no means a forgone conclusion. There may well, and usually is, other candidates. It's then up to the local association to select their preferred candidate, and as yet I have heard nothing of a selection.

garinda 12-05-2008 11:21

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 575297)
Well Rindi, I no longer attend any party meetings, but before the local party can select a Parliamentry candidate it has to go before the membership, so Janet can't be the prefared choise as you put it, but if se was it would have sod all to do with London, we select our own candidate not London, unlike the Labour party who foist candidates on people .

Well it looks like I know more than you then in the battle between the local Conservatives and Tory H.Q. in London.;)

As for Peter, shame really. He could have made the history books, as I don't think anyones been defeated standing for the same seat three times.:D

jaysay 12-05-2008 16:46

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 575299)
Well it looks like I know more than you then in the battle between the local Conservatives and Tory H.Q. in London.;)

As for Peter, shame really. He could have made the history books, as I don't think anyones been defeated standing for the same seat three times.:D

Way things are going he may just have won it, especilly if Greg bottles it on the 10p tax issue;)

garinda 12-05-2008 19:25

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 575379)
Way things are going he may just have won it, especilly if Greg bottles it on the 10p tax issue;)

Should be a walk over then for you...no matter who stands.;)

Good luck.:D

andrewb 12-05-2008 19:28

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 575462)
Should be a walk over then for you...no matter who stands.;)

Good luck.:D

I don't think anyone thinks Hyndburn would be a walkover.

garinda 12-05-2008 19:30

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 575466)
I don't think anyone thinks Hyndburn would be a walkover.

Looks like your mate Jaysay does.:rolleyes:

jaysay 13-05-2008 04:46

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 575472)
Looks like your mate Jaysay does.:rolleyes:

I'm always the eternal optimist Rindi:D

garinda 13-05-2008 09:06

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 575667)
I'm always the eternal optimist Rindi:D


Yes you must be, if you think 'third time lucky' Peter Britcliffe would be the people's choice as our M.P.,no matter how badly the government were doing at Westminster.

shillelagh 14-05-2008 00:34

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 575297)
Well Rindi, I no longer attend any party meetings, but before the local party can select a Parliamentry candidate it has to go before the membership, so Janet can't be the prefared choise as you put it, but if se was it would have sod all to do with London, we select our own candidate not London, unlike the Labour party who foist candidates on people . As for Peter not standing he told me a long time ago that he has no intention of going for nation politics again

Labour party members choose who they want to stand as their representative. In fact Greg has had to go through the selection process every time - just as anyone who wants to be a local councillor. London has no say on who we pick - its up to the local members.

steeljack 14-05-2008 01:00

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 576297)
Labour party members choose who they want to stand as their representative. In fact Greg has had to go through the selection process every time - just as anyone who wants to be a local councillor. London has no say on who we pick - its up to the local members.

think your being a bit ingenious using Greg Pope as an example, otherwise how do you explain the "Hampstead" mafia having 'safe' Labour seats for life, in rust belt (ex industrial areas) constituancys sometimes hundred of miles from their origins.
I would think it a bit more honest to say that in safe Tory or a swing constituancy (Hyndburn) there is a bit less central committe 'nudge nudge wink wink ' in the selection process .

andrewb 14-05-2008 08:59

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 576297)
Labour party members choose who they want to stand as their representative. In fact Greg has had to go through the selection process every time - just as anyone who wants to be a local councillor. London has no say on who we pick - its up to the local members.

To be fair London can remove anyone they wish so I wouldn't go so far as saying that!

jaysay 14-05-2008 09:18

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 576297)
Labour party members choose who they want to stand as their representative. In fact Greg has had to go through the selection process every time - just as anyone who wants to be a local councillor. London has no say on who we pick - its up to the local members.

I was going to answer that but the previous post have done that or me, Labour do foist candidates on target seats, a glaring example was when they installed a Tory defector in Warrington, I think, it was somewhere in that neck of the woods. There was a big hoohaa in the national media because the constituency party wanted a local councillor as their candidate, but were over ruled by the national executive.

yerself 14-05-2008 10:27

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Originally Posted by shillelagh
Labour party members choose who they want to stand as their representative. In fact Greg has had to go through the selection process every time - just as anyone who wants to be a local councillor. London has no say on who we pick - its up to the local members.

What about the scouser who couldn't spell his own christian name? Keva Coombes wasn't it?

andrewb 14-05-2008 13:15

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The new £2.7billion borrowing Darling has had to make to fix Browns mistake still manages to miss out over a million people whom still lose under the 10p tax debacle.

I wonder if Greg Pope will keep up the pressure?

Tealeaf 15-05-2008 16:24

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 576401)

I wonder if Greg Pope will keep up the pressure?

You can safely assume that Greg and the rest of the rebels will be keeping their gobs shut until after the C & N bye-election. Once that result is declared they will be getting their calculators out and on the basis that their maths is somewhat better than messrs Brown and Darling, will be calculating just how safe their seats are. The fun will no doubt begin again.

Your next poll should read "How long do you now think Gordon's got?"

blazey 15-05-2008 20:03

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 576954)

Your next poll should read "How long do you now think Gordon's got?"

that would be interesting :p

jaysay 21-05-2008 10:28

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It now appears that the £2.7 billion consessions given by the government to those effected by the scrapping of the 10p tax bracket, will only apply to this year. If the government don't maintain the £600 extra allowence beyond next April, around 18 million people will be £150 a year worse, his has been revelled by the independent think tank the Institute for Fiscal Studies, or in other words another Brown con

Bonnyboy 21-05-2008 10:48

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I seem to remember Darling being asked when he announced the “refund” in the commons if this would be applicable next year ( sure Osborne asked )…..The question went unanswered. So this is no real surprise


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