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andrewb 15-05-2008 11:16

Crewe and Nantwich
 
Gwyneth Dunwoody sadly died on the 17th April 2008 which has resulted in a by election for Crewe and Nantwich.

Her daughter is running in her place for Labour, while the Conservatives have Edward Timpson and the Lib Dems Elizabeth Shenton. Although apparently the Lib Dems have practically given up and are focusing on Boris Johnsons seat now that he has become the new Mayor of London.

So your resident pollster is here to get your views. :D I'll include every candidate up for election so I can't be accused of not putting 'others' :p

entwisi 15-05-2008 11:43

Re: Crewe and Nantwich
 
Perhaps if you included current majority so we can see how 'close' a seat it really is.

andrewb 15-05-2008 12:06

Re: Crewe and Nantwich
 
2005 results were:

Labour: 21240
Conservative: 14162
Liberal Democrats: 8083

I should have made the vote public, who the heck thinks the monster raving loony party will win?

MargaretR 15-05-2008 12:06

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Is this a variation on the grand national betting thread? :rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 15-05-2008 12:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 576873)
2005 results were:

Labour: 21240
Conservative: 14162
Liberal Democrats: 8083

I should have made the vote public, who the heck thinks the monster raving loony party will win?

Me...as a paid-up member of said party, I am confident that we will march onwards to victory, claiming our first ever parliamentary seat! :D

Royboy39 15-05-2008 12:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 576873)
I should have made the vote public, who the heck thinks the monster raving loony party will win?

Why not.........They are in power at the moment..are they not?

andrewb 15-05-2008 12:22

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 576876)
Me...as a paid-up member of said party, I am confident that we will march onwards to victory, claiming our first ever parliamentary seat! :D

I hope to meet you campaigning in Crewe over weekend then. :D

entwisi 15-05-2008 12:28

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So a turn of 3.5K labour voters needed to snatch victory. Definately achievable if the candidate has an ounce of credibility.

andrewb 15-05-2008 12:38

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It's achievable, but it would require a big swing.

Wynonie Harris 15-05-2008 12:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 576881)
I hope to meet you campaigning in Crewe over weekend then. :D

No need for me to be there. Our glorious leader Howlin' Laud Hope will be giving Nick the Brick all the support he needs to achieve electoral triumph. My thoughts, of course, will be with them as I raise a pint or two of foaming Black Sheep bitter to my lips! :cool:

cashman 15-05-2008 14:57

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 576881)
I hope to meet you campaigning in Crewe over weekend then. :D

stop tryin to hi-jack me mate, we got a date.:D

shakermaker 15-05-2008 15:15

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Has this got anything to do with Accy? Bit random isn't it Cyfr mate? Am I missing something?

andrewb 15-05-2008 15:30

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Current affairs, I know its Accringtonweb but it doesn't necessarily have to be directly Accrington related does it?

Although saying that it does have national implications 'mood of the moment' kinda thing.

andrewb 15-05-2008 15:31

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 576919)
stop tryin to hi-jack me mate, we got a date.:D

Who us? When might that be. :p

cashman 15-05-2008 16:05

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 576929)
Who us? When might that be. :p

how about joining us in the stop on sat aft, sod the campaigning.:p

andrewb 15-05-2008 16:18

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 576945)
how about joining us in the stop on sat aft, sod the campaigning.:p

I'm in Hull if I don't go to Crewe :p

jaysay 15-05-2008 16:21

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 576919)
stop tryin to hi-jack me mate, we got a date.:D

Ya Cyfr leave Wynonie alone he's not got time for electioneering on Saturday, its his round:D:cheers::drink::drink:

Wynonie Harris 15-05-2008 20:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 576949)
I'm in Hull if I don't go to Crewe :p

See what you're missing, Cyfr...an afternoon of fun and frivolity with Accyweb's oldest teenagers! :D

Wynonie Harris 15-05-2008 20:45

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Flippin' 'eck, Cyfr, my lad's certainly giving your lad a run for his money in the prediction stakes! :theband:

andrewb 15-05-2008 22:33

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Indeed, more so than Labour :D

Royboy39 15-05-2008 22:37

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 577253)
Indeed, more so than Labour :D

Even the Waxman has given Gordon the elbow:

BBC NEWS | England | London | PM 'voted out' of Tussauds place

cashman 15-05-2008 22:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 577254)
Even the Waxman has given Gordon the elbow:

BBC NEWS | England | London | PM 'voted out' of Tussauds place

hardly suprising, the media/business always turn on labour, Blair had to virtually become a tory, just so labour was electable, a legacy of the kinda society that bitch created.:rolleyes:

jaysay 16-05-2008 11:23

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 577260)
hardly suprising, the media/business always turn on labour, Blair had to virtually become a tory, just so labour was electable, a legacy of the kinda society that bitch created.:rolleyes:

Who you talking about cashy:D

andrewb 16-05-2008 11:36

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 577260)
hardly suprising, the media/business always turn on labour, Blair had to virtually become a tory, just so labour was electable, a legacy of the kinda society that bitch created.:rolleyes:

I'm going to see this singer tonight cashman:

YouTube - Frank Turner -03- Thatcher ****ed The Kids

:D

cashman 16-05-2008 13:07

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good to see ya have a sense of humour cyfr:eek:, very funny, ya'll have a good night. the tragedy is its very true.

andrewb 16-05-2008 15:41

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 577471)
good to see ya have a sense of humour cyfr:eek:, very funny, ya'll have a good night. the tragedy is its very true.

Haha I've had to give my ticket up to go to an event that David Davis is at instead :p

Oh the irony ;)

cashman 16-05-2008 16:04

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 577506)
Haha I've had to give my ticket up to go to an event that David Davis is at instead :p

Oh the irony ;)

nowt like avoiding the truth.:p

andrewb 16-05-2008 16:21

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 577510)
nowt like avoiding the truth.:p

My friend is interviewing him tonight. He'll be quizzed on attending Eton I bet ;)

'Him' being Frank Turner the singer, of course, as Davis never attended Eton. :)

yerself 16-05-2008 16:26

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Thought this would be more your thing Cyfr. It's probably one of Cashman's favourites.:D:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb4XgGcn0dA

andrewb 17-05-2008 20:23

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It's gonna be a close one.

Wynonie Harris 21-05-2008 09:59

Re: Crewe and Nantwich
 
Had to laugh at the latest development - the Labour party got two blokes to dress up as top-hatted toffs to highlight the fact that the Tory feller is an upper-class, public-school educated type - a tactic which was approved by old Gord no less. It now turns out that one of these fellas went to public-school himself (although not the same public school as the aptly-named Ed Balls). Mr Bean strikes again!

Vote Monster Raving Loony - you know it makes sense! :D

andrewb 21-05-2008 10:06

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The class warefare Labour have tried to stir up is disgracful. I hope it backfires on them greatly.

For starters the Labour candidate is not just an 'unemployed single mother of 5' she is on Burkes Peerage and Gentry list which the Conservative candidate is not on. (http://bp0.blogger.com/_EQc_hLHXONE/...toff_totty.jpg)

jaysay 21-05-2008 17:03

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 579534)
The class warefare Labour have tried to stir up is disgracful. I hope it backfires on them greatly.

For starters the Labour candidate is not just an 'unemployed single mother of 5' she is on Burkes Peerage and Gentry list which the Conservative candidate is not on. (http://bp0.blogger.com/_EQc_hLHXONE/...off_totty.jpg)

Their all would be Tories Andrew, why do you think New Labour was born because the other shower were unelectable:mosher::mosher::mosher:

andrewb 23-05-2008 01:35

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The Conservatives turned the Labour 7000 majority into a 8000 Conservative one. Absolutely outstanding, never expected such a big win.

Mancie 23-05-2008 01:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 580418)
The Conservatives turned the Labour 7000 majority into a 8000 Conservative one. Absolutely outstanding, never expected such a big win.

Congrats on winning a small battle... but the war still goes on.. you tory twit!

steeljack 23-05-2008 01:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 580418)
The Conservatives turned the Labour 7000 majority into a 8000 Conservative one. Absolutely outstanding, never expected such a big win.

the BBC site says it a 17% swing , what would that mean nationally in number of seats of a conservative majority at Westminster ?

Mancie 23-05-2008 01:48

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If the people of Crewe vote for ..and get a tory goverment this nation will very soon see the weak,frail,one parent families,unemployable, people in our SOCIAL community targeted
The "fat cats" must be slurping at their fine wines at this moment!!!!

steeljack 23-05-2008 02:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 580422)
If the people of Crewe vote for ..and get a tory goverment this nation will very soon see the weak,frail,one parent families,unemployable, people in our SOCIAL community targeted

by SOCIAL community do you mean the Social Security Community ,
maybe its time to get the low IQ unemployables , out of their beds , stop them breeding and get them back to useful work
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ne/7414311.stm

andrewb 23-05-2008 02:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 580422)
If the people of Crewe vote for ..and get a tory goverment this nation will very soon see the weak,frail,one parent families,unemployable, people in our SOCIAL community targeted
The "fat cats" must be slurping at their fine wines at this moment!!!!

I'm glad Crewe didn't listen to that sort of incorrect scare-mongering.

Mancie 23-05-2008 02:07

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 580423)
by SOCIAL community do you mean the Social Security Community ,
maybe its time to get the low IQ unemployables , out of their beds , stop them breeding and get them back to useful work
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ne/7414311.stm

I mean the community.. normal working people helping those who may not be able .. not a tory community were if you are rich or a bully you get by .. that is a SOCIAL community.

andrewb 23-05-2008 02:11

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 580426)
I mean the community.. normal working people helping those who may not be able .. not a tory community were if you are rich or a bully you get by .. that is a SOCIAL community.

I don't think you understand. The Conservative party are not about the 'rich'. You might have heard Labours stupid arguments in Crewe that tried to make it into a class war. The Conservatives are all for helping people help themselves. We are all for community, why not? What shouldn't we be?

Mancie 23-05-2008 02:13

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 580424)
I'm glad Crewe didn't listen to that sort of incorrect scare-mongering.

Why would that be incorrect?.. for 200 yrs the tories have rejected

Child labour laws
The National health service
The right for women to vote
Invalid income laws
Why ..in over 200yrs have you changed now?

Benipete 23-05-2008 02:37

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 580421)
the BBC site says it a 17% swing , what would that mean nationally in number of seats of a conservative majority at Westminster ?

Can't remember the exact figure but is was around 120 plus majority over labour

blazey 23-05-2008 05:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 580422)
If the people of Crewe vote for ..and get a tory goverment this nation will very soon see the weak,frail,one parent families,unemployable, people in our SOCIAL community targeted
The "fat cats" must be slurping at their fine wines at this moment!!!!

I'm sorry, but I see that now under a Labour government...

Just need to walk into the job centre during the week and see many 'weak, frail, unemployable' people struggling to find work. Why doesn't the Labour Government fix it whilst they still have control? They either can't or they just don't care. Either way, I feel like they've failed the working class and are now focusing on other social groups because they've caused too much damage that can't be repaired. Thankfully it seems that people are seeing through their act and voting for a party that can and will fix the problems as much as it possibly can. The fact that they have been privately educated and have wealthy backgrounds should be irrelevant.

MikeSz 23-05-2008 06:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 580422)
If the people of Crewe vote for ..and get a tory goverment this nation will very soon see the weak,frail,one parent families,unemployable, people in our SOCIAL community targeted
The "fat cats" must be slurping at their fine wines at this moment!!!!

Ive never heard such tripe. Ive actually heard a new "class" introduced recently, which I thought was a joke but apparently it exists - the welfare class. Once you have severed the bovine excrament from this ridiculous definition it roughly translates as "I get paid to sit at home and watch the never ending stream of 24 hour cable crap - like a sad character out of little Britain - so who's the mug, me? Or you who work for a living?"

Lets just be clear about this, there is no element of current conservative policy that includes taking benefits away from those that actually deserve them - those who are genuinely disabled or those that are elderly and actually need state support. A policy introduced several months ago aimed to reduce benefits to those who didnt want to work and I cant see how that's unfair! Why should those who get up everyday, facing the same problems as everyone else, and still got to work to earn their living have to stump up for those who cant be bothered or expect things handing out on a plate for them??? The welfare state should be there for people who need it, as a safety net - not a comfort blanket. This government has put the sword to the workers of the country and wonders why there is a backlash when those who work are facing every increasing pressures and those who dont can sit outside and enjoy the sunshine.

Absolutely fantastic result in Crewe - Lots of people will now be talking about how that would translate in a General election, if ever there was a need for a good, sensible and fair Conservative government then this is that time.

andrewb 23-05-2008 08:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 580421)
the BBC site says it a 17% swing , what would that mean nationally in number of seats of a conservative majority at Westminster ?

Sky are reporting if it were to happen at a general it would translate into a 338 Conservative majority:

494 Conservative
101 Labour
25 Lib Dem
+ others

yerself 23-05-2008 08:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie
not a tory community were if you are rich

You mean like Mr & Mrs Blair and their cronies.

jaysay 23-05-2008 10:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 580478)
You mean like Mr & Mrs Blair and their cronies.

Quite right yerself, this shower were elected on a platform of Whiter than White Government, the bigest load of thieving chisellers we've ever seen. Its never been the rich and famous that elected Tory Governmets, I have been a member of the party for 47 years and I was born in a two up two down terraced house to a hard working family.

andrewb 23-05-2008 14:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 580428)
Why would that be incorrect?.. for 200 yrs the tories have rejected

Child labour laws
The National health service
The right for women to vote
Invalid income laws
Why ..in over 200yrs have you changed now?

I think what people really care about is what the Conservative party will do for them in 2010, rather than dwelling on the past.

But since it matters deepy to you:
  • Child labour laws, brought in by a Conservative government.
  • The National Health Service, treasured by every Conservative government since Labour established it. Things are no different with Cameron, he is committed to an NHS, wanting to remove the politics from it so it can run better than it is now.
  • Universal sufferage, brought in by a Conservative government.
  • Not sure what invalid income laws mean.

If you're going to attack them, and I suspect you would whatever they proposed, at least get your facts right.

steeljack 23-05-2008 18:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 580471)
Sky are reporting if it were to happen at a general it would translate into a 338 Conservative majority:

494 Conservative
101 Labour
25 Lib Dem
+ others

thats a dictatorship , no chance of constructive opposition , majorities like that and common sense goes out of the window

andrewb 24-05-2008 02:00

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 580674)
thats a dictatorship , no chance of constructive opposition , majorities like that and common sense goes out of the window

It's not a dictatorship if they're voted in. Anyway that won't happen because by elections always have bigger swings so its not a brilliant measure of what sort of majority they'd have if the people ask them to govern.


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