MPs Allow 'Frankenstein' Embryos
 

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...316410,00.html

what ya reckon?

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Brilliant. Will help research into series diseases, I'm sure garinda backs this.

Some of the arguments against it were crazy. Some were saying it would be used to develop a new slave underclass to work for us. They clearly didn't understand what the bill talked about.

I'm not sure how our MP voted, normally takes a few days to update on the site.

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Reaserch has got to be done...I have got heart disease and without research I would be dead now.

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This is a difficult one, and no doubt I will be critisized for my response but if it helps in the fighting of diseases, finding cures etc and will benefit the living and future of people then I agree with it

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Not sure, its a bit weird!

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Just to let you know that I voted (unsuccessfully) against allowing human-animal hybrid embryos to be created for research purposes. I don't subscribe to some of the hysteria surrounding this issue and I thought the 'Frankenstein' comments of one Scottish bishop were pretty unhelpful. I tried to balance out the chances of such research coming up with a cure for some terrible diseases against my own ethical reservations about creating human-animal hybrid embryos. I also promised to listen to the views of my constituents about this - including some regular Accywebbers - before arriving at a decision.

I realise that some people will be disappointed about the way I voted but I would like you to know that I gave it a great deal of thought and did what I thought was best - whatever I did would upset some.

You may also like to know that this is the first of several ethical issues that the Commons will vote on over the next day or so. We are next due to vote on what have been called 'saviour siblings' followed by abortion votes tomorrow. If anyone has views on these issues that they want to raise with me please do so either on here or email me at [email protected]

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That's not how I would have voted but thank-you for letting us know Greg.

I have e-mailed you concerning abortion. Saviour siblings are by no means as clear cut, and I don't really feel like writing an essay at the moment. ;)

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to each his own, i fail to see anything to convince me AGAINST this research.

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Quite fascinating area of science even if it is not backed by my religious beliefs.

What it will mean in the future is very interesting, but also hugely risky. Will again, like the saviour sibling issue, need to be regulated very strictly.

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I emailed you about an issue the other day :) I think it's nice that you reply to people.

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Me too Cashy, feel it is criminal not to let this research go ahead. We are only using the shell of animal embryos after all, and could take 20 years before there are any positive results.

Think people are still voting with their macabre thoughts on this and not with their heads. Unfortunately, medical research has to be carried out first with the help of our animal kingdom.. can't use plant seeds can we, although some folks will argue they can scream too !!

Bet if they mentioned could help cure cancer, would be a very different matter.

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I don't think this is necessarily true to all people. For example, the Catholic Church is strongly opposing it, and an argument like 'it could help cure cancer' isn't going to make an ounce of difference. Catholics in general still speak strongly against contraceptive methods in Africa to stop the spread of AID's, so what makes people think we'll do something as barbaric as combining the genes of different species in order to cure something that is already far more curable than AID's?

Quite a conservative rant there, not entirely MY view as I was brought up liberally as a catholic, but definitely an existing view.

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thanks to this it may one day actualy be possible for man to actualy be hung like a horse

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Personally I'm happy that parliament has voted for this bill, and that Britain retains its status as a world leader in stem cell research. Human-animal embryo research is banned in some countries including Australia, France, Germany and Italy.

It was a free vote, and I happily got to tell Greg Pope my views on this issue. He, like all the others, voted with his conscience.

Continuing research could mean that in the future a whole range of diseases could even be cured.

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gotta say i feel fer once the majority of parliment has voted fer the majority of people, makes a refreshing change.;)

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I too am happy, any chance at a cure is a good thing. I think the way people describe what is being done is often plainly wrong and used often to justify their own views.

IMHO MP's are paid to vote how the majority of their constituents wish them to, not by their own ethical or religious beliefs. In my job there are things that I believe are done wrong. I can express my opinion but at teh end of teh day i am paid to do what those who pay me wish me to. Otherwise we don't have a democratic goverment we have a tiny percentage of teh population deciding what they think is best for teh majority.

Whilst this issue did get decent press coverage it would be nice if Greg could maybe pop in once a month with a breakdown of teh subjects that will be voted on so people are able to express opinions to him ahead of teh vote.

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i'm exuberant on this win

my daughter has thalassemia which means her bone marrow fails to produce any blood and thus by has to live by transfusions all her life.

an advancement in this field would not only mean her making all that blood herself but her saving the need for that blood for someone else.

on a side note it may also mean i get my life long ambition of having super-strength.

its nice to see the mp come on here so soon after the vote and let us know his thoughts.

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I agree with it if it will save peoples lives and finds cures for conditions that are currently uncurable,

i understand blazeys argument, being catholic myself, but things move on and many of the catholic teachings do not translate into modern day life.

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I was againt this going ahead on religious grounds, and contacted Greg some time ago on the matter, I can quite understand people wanting this to go ahead so as to find a cure for diseases. I sure Greg thought long and hard when making his decision, and its comendable that he came on here and told us knowing there were people who would disagree

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I think this type of research is only as 'safe' as the hands of the scientists it is in. If we are not110% convinced of the scientists and their motivation then it should not go ahead as the process will not be reversable

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where do i put my order in for a spider pig?

'spider pig spider pig
does whatever a spider pig does
can he swing from a web
no he cant he's a pig
look out
he is a spider pig'

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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Still think its weird!

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A slippery slope. Just because it's possible to do something doesn't mean that you should. Science is way ahead of the ethics.

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The same thing could be said after we'd invented the gun.;)

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A little more critical thinking, if you please.

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i agree that we shouldnt do things just because we can but for me that means things that will harm us, bombs, guns etc not things that will help us.

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Or the ethics are way behind the science

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Otherwise what will happen?

You going to shoot the messenger?

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Nope, don't think so.

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Oh, please....get over yourself.

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No need for critical thinking, purely an oberservation.

Your comment that science is way ahead of ethics, which in this case relates to medical ethics, could also be levied at the great number of scientists in the world developing ever more dangerous armaments, with little thought to what devastation they could create, when sold to the highest bidder.

Must be nice in your lttle bunker.;)

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Apples and oranges.

No bunker mentality here. It would be a wonderful world if we had no need to constantly keep several steps ahead of the dark forces. You delude yourself if you think that those who wish us ill will stop developing such weaponry if we decide to pack it in. Quite the reverse.

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Does anyone understand a word of this .. LOL :confused: Probably I am too thick. !

Had to laugh today, report that a car dealer in America was offering a free hand gun with every purchase. :eek:

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Sometimes Garinda I wonder which planet you are on and where you are coming from.
Britain and our allies do invent and create weapons for all sorts of reasons.
First and foremost to protect people like you who can claim that the only weapon you have held in your hand is the one you sleep with.
We have forces all over the world defending our interests and must be properly armed.
Russia,China and other countries in the world, some friendly some not,spend fortunes on arms and the development of arms, are you suggesting that we or our allies, sit at the back of the class, and ignore this?
I thought the invasion of Iraq was justified at the time as a lot of people did, I was wrong.......I believed as most of the population did, that we were being threatened.......It turned out to be rubbish.
Bunker you have not had experience of, and I hope that you never experience that indignity.
Stick to chasing forms and let the world go by.....It seems to me that you dont understand what's going on anyway.

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I just find it strange that from your comments you seem to be against the continuance of this medical research in the U.K.

Is that not correct?

Talk of ethics just seems a little odd, especially from one who seems to have no problem with any fool with enough money, including enemies of democracy, being able to bear arms.

I'm glad that we as a country have decided to carry on with this medical research, and I pray that in the future none of your future ancestors will have the need for any of the break through treatments, which may come about because of this.:)

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Now I am sure he's lost the plot.
He's got me switched off because he thinks he is right and everyone else is an idiot (Especially me)
There has not been any critisism against research...and we must congratulate other countries that have contributed to that research.
I have contributed to a thread...without research...I would be dead.
Let's cut the smart arsed comments and get real.

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"Future ancestors"???? Bit of a contradiction in terms there, but I will let it pass.

I do echo the lovely Garinda's thinking on this issue and would ask Greg Pope whether, in the light of his vote against the bill, he would be likley to decline medical treatment developed as a result of stem cell research?

To me, this whole debate sounds similar to the condemnation of the National Lottery we heard from religious groups, till the church roof was falling in: they were only too grateful for lottery cash then. Ethical or moral scruples are all very well,but they become a bit too expensive to maintain once one's back is against the wall, so to speak, it is amazingly instructive to see how easily they crumble then.

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Lol, thought I'd got away with that one.:rolleyes:

I was going to put progeny, but my programme was just about to start....so didn't have the time to check it's spelling.:D

That's my excuse, and I'm sticking with it.

Cheers A-b.:D

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Dinner with Thatcher, and a high flying fashion career. Now they've given you your own programme? Rivaling Gok Wan are we? ;)

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Depends on how it is being conducted. After all, the Nazis were big on research but I hardly think we'd endorse their methods.

There have been some very promising results using adult stem cells as well as those from umbilical cord blood. None reported from the use of fetal stem cells. It is not necessary to kill babies or play God in other areas of research. If I had a debilitating or terminal illness, I would not think it my right to demand something be done that I consider unethical just to find a possible cure. I am not wired that way.

How, pray tell, do you propose to disarm the enemies of democracy? You don't seem too keen on the use of force.

I have never advocated that "any fool with enough money," should be able to acquire a firearm.

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...and there'll be none to report from your adopted country, as research of this kind is banned there.

We'll let you know if we come up with a cure for any of the diseases which blight so many lives.;)

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Bit OTT that one Bullseyebarb. Embryos of very small cell division, cannot see 'babies' at this stage... :confused: No result from 'fetal' research :confused: yet, 'cause is only just being allowed to go ahead.

And as for God !! .. well, he 'aint much help in the curing of disease is he ?? ... :mad:

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Wrong. Only research using federal funding, (i.e. taxpayers' money), is banned. Labs with resources from the private sector, (which are considerable), can pursue this if they wish.

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Play it any way you want, but these are still babies to me. The fact that those experimented with are of "very small cell division", as you put it, is the very reason why they have not proven to be effective in this sort of research.

As to your second point.......God's gift to us is the ability to work through these knotty problems and find cures and all sorts of wonders which help mankind.

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Well, no not proven much as yet ... that is because cell research is in its infancy .. but signs are that it could be of extreme use to curing of diseases.. held up my ethical do-gooders.

As to God's gift !! blah, blah, blah .. sorry you speaking to an Atheist here Bullseye .. so religious bull does not sit well with me. If you believe we have been given the gift to work through these problems, then seems to me that this is what we are applying..the gift of the wonderment of science .. only way forward.

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Are there any lines that you wouldn't cross? Any guardrails that you wouldn't drive through?

It is not necessary to destroy life in order to save it. This imperative that the cells used MUST be fetal.

Well, gee, I never would have guessed that you were an atheist.

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The milk of Christian kindness.

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Of course, there are lines that I would not like to cross Bullseyebarb, however, in this particular issue, do not view it in any sense that we are destroying life in order to save it ! No possible life here to save. Just because I am an Atheist does not make me a non-lover of my fellow humans ... :rolleyes:

Sure lots of 'God-believing' people feel the same way as I do.

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I have no religious beliefs and support stem cell research. I also think the abortion period should be reduced to 20 or 22 weeks because I do believe in rights of the child. I don't however believe in rights of a cell younger than 14 days old that can be used to save other already existing, suffering, humans.

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good post..........