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pam1 01-06-2008 17:01

three children
 
as any one herd about the three children that was killed by there parents
it was on the news yesterday tea time, they are not very old, one his a baby. i think the parents are dark:confused:

BERNADETTE 01-06-2008 17:07

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I heard about this but as far as I knew one of the children was alive.

pam1 01-06-2008 17:14

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 585389)
I heard about this but as far as I knew one of the children was alive.

yep i think its the youngest one that's a live, just wondered if any one as herd any more on this.

BERNADETTE 01-06-2008 17:17

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I just heard that a five year old boy and a four year old girl were dead. Their six month old sister was improving. The parents are believed to be Tamils from Sri Lanka.

emamum 01-06-2008 17:24

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7429772.stm

is this what you mean?

AccyLass 01-06-2008 17:27

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Awww them poor children, that poor baby!

God, it's terrible

Hope whoever did it, gets what they deserve, and more!

pam1 01-06-2008 17:29

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 585396)
I just heard that a five year old boy and a four year old girl were dead. Their six month old sister was improving. The parents are believed to be Tamils from Sri Lanka.

GOD WHAT WAS THE PARENTS THINKING OF THAY MUST BE SICK IN THE HEAD

garinda 01-06-2008 17:30

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The father has been released uncharged.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7429772.stm

pam1 01-06-2008 17:31

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Originally Posted by AccyLass27 (Post 585401)
Awww them poor children, that poor baby!

God, it's terrible

Hope whoever did it, gets what they deserve, and more!

ACCYLASS IT WAS THE PARENTS THAT DID IT SICK OR WHAT

pam1 01-06-2008 17:33

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 585405)
The father has been released uncharged.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7429772.stm

GARINDA THANKS FOR THAT I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THAT INFO ALL DAY.

emamum 01-06-2008 17:35

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 585398)

your welcome :p

AccyLass 01-06-2008 17:36

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Originally Posted by pam1 (Post 585406)
ACCYLASS IT WAS THE PARENTS THAT DID IT SICK OR WHAT


Well it states that the father has been released after questioning and the mother is still under arrest, I'm sure we'll find out who did it soon enough

Margaret Pilkington 01-06-2008 17:40

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Maybe this woman is at the end of her tether...maybe she has post natal psychosis.....whatever it is it must be very bad to do this to your own children.

moon 01-06-2008 19:19

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Hadn't heard that but its awful!

pussycat 01-06-2008 19:42

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the mother of the children is now in hospital herself with minor injurys ; but still waitin to be questioned ;

Lilly 01-06-2008 19:49

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 585412)
Maybe this woman is at the end of her tether...maybe she has post natal psychosis.....whatever it is it must be very bad to do this to your own children.

Good post, Margaret.

I think you could be right.

People don't go round doing this to their children willy nilly, do they?

I don't think she can be of sound mind.

Margaret Pilkington 01-06-2008 19:55

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In one of the papers(if you believe what is written in the papers these days) she was desperate to go back to Sri Lanka, they had a business and a ring road had diverted a lot of their passing trade, and they were struggling to keep solvent...so her life was hard without the added burden of a baby.(and I mean that in the best possible sense)

Lilly 01-06-2008 20:00

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 585476)
In one of the papers(if you believe what is written in the papers these days) she was desperate to go back to Sri Lanka, they had a business and a ring road had diverted a lot of their passing trade, and they were struggling to keep solvent...so her life was hard without the added burden of a baby.(and I mean that in the best possible sense)

I know what you mean, Margaret.

Seems like she's been at the end of her rope. :(

Tin Monkey 01-06-2008 20:22

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Nothing too surprising really. Children are far more at risk of harm from members of their own family than they are from complete strangers. Philip Larkin had it spot on.

Margaret Pilkington 01-06-2008 20:26

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Yes, you are right...but the fact that this lady has a six month old baby could possibly have a bearing on her sanity.

Tin Monkey 01-06-2008 20:31

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 585501)
Yes, you are right...but the fact that this lady has a six month old baby could possibly have a bearing on her sanity.

More than likely Margaret, but then we always blame mental instability whenever family members (particularly parents) do things like this. It's easier for us as a society to blame individuals' state of mind, rather than question the so-called 'cornerstone of society'.

Margaret Pilkington 01-06-2008 20:35

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It is hard for me to accept that a mother. especially one of an ethnnic background would inflict such terrible injuries on her children if she wasn't mentally unbalanced.
It is a very sad state of affairs. We shouldn't judge her without knowing more about what has gone on.

Lilly 01-06-2008 20:37

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 585512)
It is hard for me to accept that a mother. especially one of an ethnnic background would inflict such terrible injuries on her children if she wasn't mentally unbalanced.
It is a very sad state of affairs. We shouldn't judge her without knowing more about what has gone on.

I totally agree, Margaret.

I find it hard to accept that a sane person would do this.

Tin Monkey 01-06-2008 20:42

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There is absolutely no doubt that this story will result in a case of diminished responsibility, as it's always these kinds of stories that make the front pages. It's all part of 'the game'.

Margaret Pilkington 01-06-2008 20:45

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And what game would that be then?
Parents do not murder their children for a game...and we must remember that we are in no position to judge on the limited information that is currently in the public domain.....what happened to 'Innocent, until proved guilty?'

Lilly 01-06-2008 20:49

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 585521)
And what game would that be then?
Parents do not murder their children for a game.

Was just thinking that myself.

What game?

We play snakes and ladders, matching pairs and connect 4 with our children.

We don't try to hack them to pieces. :(

We're not at the end of our rope though.

Tin Monkey 01-06-2008 20:58

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Hmmmm.... wrong end of the stick me thinks.

Never mind. :)

blazey 01-06-2008 23:27

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Hate to pipe up, but I absolutely hate it when people refer to claims of insanity and diminished responsibility as a game.

She's attacked and killed her own children. IF she claims diminished responsibility, she's still going to have a tarnished reputation and be lucky if she gets to keep the child that survived or live a normal life with it ever again.

Insanity isn't a game either, the sentencing is unpredictable and most people who are genuinely insane still prefer the full crime of murder just for the certainty of when they will be released from prison.

It really does irritate me how people can think these defenses are there to make life easier for criminals, when in reality they're probably more damaging than serving full time for the crime.

garinda 01-06-2008 23:57

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 585614)
Hate to pipe up, but I absolutely hate it when people refer to claims of insanity and diminished responsibility as a game.

She's attacked and killed her own children.

Er...as of this moment she's still being questioned, and has been charged with nothing, nevermind been found guilty of any crime.

First lesson of law, innocent until proven guilty.

Tin Monkey 02-06-2008 05:47

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I was actually referring to the way that the media selectively operates as 'a game', but it doesn't matter now. :)

Margaret Pilkington 02-06-2008 07:32

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Well, I'm sorry if I misread your intentions Tin Monkey.......I thought you were implying that the murder of children by their parents, who then claimed mental instability, was a game.

And Blazey, this woman could be suffering from a very well recognised condition called 'post natal depression/psychosis' and I would have thought you at least would have had a little more sensitivity to the situation. You disappoint me.

blazey 02-06-2008 08:31

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 585682)
Well, I'm sorry if I misread your intentions Tin Monkey.......I thought you were implying that the murder of children by their parents, who then claimed mental instability, was a game.

And Blazey, this woman could be suffering from a very well recognised condition called 'post natal depression/psychosis' and I would have thought you at least would have had a little more sensitivity to the situation. You disappoint me.

Yes I am fully aware of what she could have been suffering from, my point was against what tin monkey was saying, and that was that the defences of diminished responsibility and insanity are not 'playing the game' or an easy way out of a prison sentence at all.

Yes I made the mistake of suggesting she HAS killed her children, from what I briefly read in the sun on passing glance it was clear that the parents are indeed involved in some way though, and either of them could be suffering from ill health. I was simply annoyed at tin monkeys post. I actually feel sorry for the family, but obviously that doesn't come across when you are reading into what I say as you would prefer it to sound, and we never want me to sound nice and caring do we.

WillowTheWhisp 02-06-2008 09:00

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Tin Monkey was referring to the media hype. The way the papers immediately jump on a story from the worst angle possible.

It now appears that the father wasn't even in the house when the stabbings took place and yet many people were ready to blame him in the beginning and jumping on an "Asian honour killing" bandwagon because the family are from Sri Lanka.

I was intrigued by mention of the fact that the mother had blood on her back.

Margaret Pilkington 02-06-2008 10:28

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Blazey, it would good if you could occaisonally show a softer side....one that appears to be less judgmental, and a little more sympathetic to people who are in the throes of what must be a very traumatic situation.....but just be yourself...I can live with that.

panther 02-06-2008 12:16

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If this woman was depressed then why hasnt the health visitor picked up on this?
surely she must have sensed something :mad:

AccyLass 02-06-2008 12:48

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This is her 3rd child aint it?

Health Visitor will have visited for about a week after the child was born, unless asked to visit longer, so if there is something wrong with the woman, there might not have been when a health visitor was seeing them

Margaret Pilkington 02-06-2008 13:33

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The lady in question is reported to have little command of english...and the scoring scheme is easy to see through and give the answers that represent good mental health...perhaps the post natal psychoses has only just manifested itself...it isn't always something that comes on as soon as the baby is born.

emamum 02-06-2008 14:26

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 585825)
The lady in question is reported to have little command of english...and the scoring scheme is easy to see through and give the answers that represent good mental health...perhaps the post natal psychoses has only just manifested itself...it isn't always something that comes on as soon as the baby is born.

the edingurgh scale? thats very easy to lie on... there must be a better system they can use.

Margaret Pilkington 02-06-2008 17:04

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Yes, that is the one...and I'm not aware of any other scoring tool for PND/PNP.


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