Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 586246)

they're fed up they're only getting 90 miles to gallon now:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 586336)

reckon if a points worth making............ make it.;)

Originally Posted by Less (Post 586343)

Ooooh No! Every mile done by them is adding to global warming, it's not as if they make any worthwhile contribution to the world!


At this point LESS loses his bottle and runs for cover, knowing that there is bound to be at least one biker without a sense of humour!:D:D

Originally Posted by slinky (Post 586272)

LOL, I know what you mean, but we shouldn't knock it!!! at least someone is willing to do something.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 586378)

Ya slinks but nobody is going to listen, is the Jockstrap going to back down and cut tax on fuel because of a few bikers, don't think so:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by slinky (Post 586384)

NO, he will just make another law!! One that will stop people from riding their bikes in protest!! Haha ...... He's an ass

Originally Posted by gixerman (Post 586142)

Any bikers out there taking part in the biker fuel protest in manchester on thursday morning, looking to join up with a few locals for the ride over at 7.30am thursday morning (meet at rising bridge)
Organisers are expecting 1000 plus bikes

Originally Posted by Less (Post 586343)

Ooooh No! Every mile done by them is adding to global warming, it's not as if they make any worthwhile contribution to the world!


At this point Less loses his bottle and runs for cover, knowing that there is bound to be at least one biker without a sense of humour!:D

Originally Posted by katex (Post 586507)

Sorry to use my personal consultant on these matters, but just explaining where your VAT money goes from petrol :-

'Firstly, the tax on fuel is proportionate to the cost of driving. The Treasury pays for a range of things from the fuel budget - new road construction (1mile of motorway is estimated to cost £4m from inception to completion), road maintenance (which is suffering from a massive backlog), public transport infrastructure and subsidy (disabled passes, concessionary passes, fare reimbursement for socially necessary services), police and emergency services, logistics maintenance and infrastructure (pipes, transport etc) and the administration agencies (DfT, DVLA etc which are necessary). That's not including the huge expense of the now necessary consultation and public inquiry procedures that are in place to liaise with interest groups and stakeholders'

All down to the privilege of driving. Comes with a price.

Originally Posted by fz911 (Post 586817)

what u expect us to do, float to work on the same drugs your smoking?????
we could always ditch the bikes and buy cars instead, which take up more space and cause more congestion, and also use more fuel
most normal bikes get about 40mpg, nowhere near the 100mpg of scooters etc
anyway, enough of the scorned biker rattling on
heres a post ive just made on another site

carl

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 586820)

sorry to use common sense, but yer personal consultant is probably using garbage spouted by the treasury, firstly i was always led to believe that our road tax license payed for the bulk of road mantainence, if it don't were the hell is it going?:confused:

Originally Posted by fz911 (Post 586817)

what u expect us to do, float to work on the same drugs your smoking????? silly comment, no need for it, just ruined your chance of being taken seriously in a debate
we could always ditch the bikes and buy cars instead, which take up more space and cause more congestion, and also use more fuel - well done, you've just had a go at the majority of people on here that do use cars for safety and practicality reasons
most normal bikes get about 40mpg, nowhere near the 100mpg of scooters etc - and?
anyway, enough of the scorned biker rattling on
heres a post ive just made on another site

http://merseysidebikers.com/forum/te...n_minipost.gifPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: http://merseysidebikers.com/forum/te...icon_quote.gif
it pizzes me off,
really it does
not so much the price, but the fact that they are doing this for 2p a litre
and in doing this demonstration they are creating a standstill which will only damage the working class
the working class dont need this - good old class debate. most working class people need the price of fuel to come down to survive. Cheaper fuel, lower overheads for food suppliers etc. Also more money in haulage firms, more jobs, more money in food suppiers etc, more jobs and so on
they wanna move the demonstration to downing street, chain their bikes to the gates
and leave them there till the price comes down by 30p a litre - not even going to comment
its a complate waste of their time and the poor people who are trying to travel to work on that route - if there are fair warnings to people, I think the majority of folk would be happy. I dont recall many unhappy travellers with the last protests, most people inonvenienced would benefit from the lower prices anyway and support the protest. Obviously peak travelling times would have to be ruled out.
if them motorways and roads are blocked, some people may lose their jobs
what if an ambulance has to get thru on a life/death call
the trucks should just stay out the way for that reason
precious minutes could make a hell of a difference to an ambo on blue lights - true but again I dont recollect this happening on the earlier fuel protests, and I'm damned sure that if it had, the Government would make sure we'd still be hearing about it now
if ur gonna do a demonstration, do it right, 1000 bikes is impressive but its all for so little, they would have to do this once a month for 2 years to get anywhere, and thats if its successful in bringing the price down 2p a litre, which it probably wont be
we should get all the bike clubs in the country, and all the sites, and work together on a proper demonstration -depends what your aim is. The Government are not going to drop the prices because of 1000 bikers. However people are votes. The more the votes protest, the more they will listen


something has to give somewhere, and as usual its left to the bikers to do the dirty work, coz the truckers have proved all they can do is cause a nuisance, - ermmm pardon?? Did the truckers not have a demonstration last week. or does that not count because it was down south? With the greatest of respect, how about you stop putting yourselves above car and truck drivers and work together. I would happily support trucks, lorries, bikes, cars. Hey I'd cheer on a tram if I thought it would help. To me, anyone that can take the time out of their normal day to protest about something for the good of the country and its population should be commended, no matter what vehicle they use to do it in

carl

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 586820)

sorry to use common sense, but yer personal consultant is probably using garbage spouted by the treasury, firstly i was always led to believe that our road tax license payed for the bulk of road mantainence, if it don't were the hell is it going?:confused:

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 586906)

So he's the chappy that authorises the humps that seem to erupt on our streets every March at Budget dumping time lol :)



Sorry Kate, wasnt aimed at you or your son personally!

Originally Posted by katex (Post 586507)

Sorry to use my personal consultant on these matters, but just explaining where your VAT money goes from petrol :-

'Firstly, the tax on fuel is proportionate to the cost of driving. The Treasury pays for a range of things from the fuel budget - new road construction (1mile of motorway is estimated to cost £4m from inception to completion), road maintenance (which is suffering from a massive backlog), public transport infrastructure and subsidy (disabled passes, concessionary passes, fare reimbursement for socially necessary services), police and emergency services, logistics maintenance and infrastructure (pipes, transport etc) and the administration agencies (DfT, DVLA etc which are necessary). That's not including the huge expense of the now necessary consultation and public inquiry procedures that are in place to liaise with interest groups and stakeholders'

All down to the privilege of driving. Comes with a price.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 586507)

Sorry to use my personal consultant on these matters, but just explaining where your VAT money goes from petrol :-

'Firstly, the tax on fuel is proportionate to the cost of driving. The Treasury pays for a range of things from the fuel budget - new road construction (1mile of motorway is estimated to cost £4m from inception to completion), road maintenance (which is suffering from a massive backlog), public transport infrastructure and subsidy (disabled passes, concessionary passes, fare reimbursement for socially necessary services), police and emergency services, logistics maintenance and infrastructure (pipes, transport etc) and the administration agencies (DfT, DVLA etc which are necessary). That's not including the huge expense of the now necessary consultation and public inquiry procedures that are in place to liaise with interest groups and stakeholders'

All down to the privilege of driving. Comes with a price.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 586904)

Did include road maintenance Cashy. Not an opinion, just a list of facts of where the VAT goes, that's all.

Actually, 'tis my son LOL, who is a Transport Planning Consultant, has to deal with issues on costings every day, even down to how much a road hump is gonna' cost. All our information is gathered from sources, just like we all google on here to find out further details on issues.

Originally Posted by gixerman (Post 586947)

Only if u live in manchester stupid, and you should get out of bed in a morning

Originally Posted by gixerman (Post 586959)

and create all the poison that comes out of your exhaust !! My bike has a cat convertor and is clean and green even at 190mph

Originally Posted by gixerman (Post 586957)

The tax is ridiculous (65%) compared to 30% accross Europe, this goverment hasn't built a single mile of new motorway in 11 years, road maintenance is no existant and is the responsibility of county council not goverment (paid for by your council tax), police and other 999 services again paid for through LCC (council tax), consulation kwangos cost millions and are paid for from central goverment etc etc.
Here is the real reason for high fuel tax
1 Unjustified wars in Afganistan and Iraq
2 Single mothers with kids
3 Imigrants who jump the housing ladder
4 Incapacity benefit
5 Spongers in general

Solution get rid of the above and cut duty and vat

Originally Posted by gixerman (Post 586947)

Only if u live in manchester stupid, and you should get out of bed in a morning

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 586964)

Seeing as you have touched on road humps.

Here in Darwen, loads of new humps have appeared yet there is no money to fill in the thousands of holes. After all a hole is just an upside down road hump, far smaller and thus would use far less material to fill it.

Road humps are supposed to be a traffic calming measure yet on Railway Road new humps have been laid on the road. Prior to the humps you would consider yourself lucky if you could get up to 20 mph let alone above 30 mph. What was the point???

Originally Posted by katex (Post 586990)

Probably something to do with this Jambutty, best option within the budget for safety :-

'there is a wider argument about 'individual vs community'. Whether advantages gained by individual behaviour should take precedent over the good of the community. For instance, walking is a component in all journeys. Whether that is a 5mile walk in the morning to work or 30feet from the car to the office door. Car accidents are the number one cause of accidental death in England. 61% of all child KSI's (Killed or Seriously Injured) in road accidents 2000-2005 were child pedestrians. This is 16,020 children over a five year period. This is falling but still unacceptable. These children saw none of the benefit from the private car but suffered a serious negative consequence of its use. The same arguments apply to congestion, pollution and use of (now scarce) resources. '

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 587014)

If the budget allows for ‘X’ tons of road surfacing material it would be more cost effective to fill holes than build large humps. I have yet to see a hole that is as large as or larger than a hump. In any case the trend seems to be to build the humps too high so that many cars catch and damage the edges, not to mention the car underside.

Apart from all that road humps may well slow traffic down but they also cause more pollution.

The antiquated Victorian attitude of punishing the whole class for the behaviour of a few applies when the issue is to the detriment of the whole. But when it comes to the advantage of the community the powers that be seek a majority verdict.

Just exactly what does 61% killed or seriously injured mean?

Is it 1% killed and 60% injured? Or is it 60% killed and 1% injured. Or is it something in between? Lumping killed and injured in the same statistic is meaningless.

I wonder how many of those kids killed or seriously injured can be laid down at the door of the motorist and how many such events are down to the child stepping out without looking if it is safe to do so?

How many adults with kids to hand actually stop and look before crossing the road? Far too many just cross. Mothers with prams stand at the kerb and the pram is in the road.

Whatever happened to teaching kids road safety at an early age?

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 587021)

Gixerman - how come you aren't at work today?
Throwing a 'sickie' are you?

Manchester police have had enough aggro recently.
If I was a Manchester council tax payer I would be groaning at the extra costs your protest will generate.

There are better ways to register your discontent
write to your MP - sign the on line petition - VOTE!

Instead you are just having a bikers day out to disrupt commerce and traffic in the city

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 586894)

There was a report in one of the papers this morning (don't know which) which was saying the GB has the worst maintained roads in Europe

Originally Posted by gixerman (Post 587344)

you don't thow sickies when you work fo youself and employ several people, however I did find a little time to get this thread going. I worked from 7am yesterday through til 8.30pm, that is my typical day
With regards to the cost of policing just think how much tax I pay every year in fuel duty, with six vehicles on the road my weekly fuel cost is approx £250 x 50 working weeks = £12,500 cost of which 60% is tax, I think that allows me to be a little p----d off
And yes I am having a day off with pay, why because I deserve it

Originally Posted by gixerman (Post 586957)

The tax is ridiculous (65%) compared to 30% accross Europe, this goverment hasn't built a single mile of new motorway in 11 years, road maintenance is no existant and is the responsibility of county council not goverment (paid for by your council tax), police and other 999 services again paid for through LCC (council tax), consulation kwangos cost millions and are paid for from central goverment etc etc.
Here is the real reason for high fuel tax
1 Unjustified wars in Afganistan and Iraq
2 Single mothers with kids
3 Imigrants who jump the housing ladder
4 Incapacity benefit
5 Spongers in general

Solution get rid of the above and cut duty and vat

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 587413)

Better solution, get rid of pratts like you. Maybes wouldnt solve the fuel problem, but I would hapily pay the extra

Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 587421)

I reported the thread for insulting shillelagh..... after last time i decided not to announce it to everyone.

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 587415)

Oh also would like to say im probably a lot greener than you in my travelling. I either catch a bus or train or walk.

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 587423)

lol you had him with walking but lost it when you said you use the bus , 1 lap from the dill hall circular bus would probably put out more crap than my car in a year lol

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 587412)

mind you i spent my teenage years around bikers and soon learned that usualy whatever speed some biker claimed to be traveling should have about a third taken off to get you the speed they were ACTUALY traveling at.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 587459)

When I was a teenager I had a motorbike, there was a lad that we knew claimed to have a large bike, (though we never saw it), when asked he would always say it's in for repair, he had a leather jacket with a poorly painted ace of spades on the back of it, he wanted us to call him 'Ace', we used to call him '99 splat', because whenever he turned up (on foot), he would tell us of his latest accident on some highly inappropriate stretch of road as he was attempting to do the ton, each tale was more ridiculous than the previous and he always finished them with,

"and just as I got to 99, splat! I would fall off my bike". He never had a mark on him.

I was knocked off a motorbike when I was only doing 15m.p.h. (according to theory one third of the speed should be taken off so I was actually doing 10m.p.h.),
a fractured leg and bruising to most of the body, so I would have thought someone doing 99m.p.h. on a regular basis should at least scrape their knee or lose a tooth, so perhaps 'Ace' was telling porkies?

I wonder has one of 'Ace's' descendants has started posting on accyweb?
;)

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 587532)

Shill hasn't been on today yet - I'm waiting for an update on whether there were enough bikes to constitute noise nuisance.

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 587426)

The bus is already on the road - if he caught the bus instead of firing up his bike ..... he would be greener than if he didnt use his bike ... that is why its called public transport - for people to use. :p;):p

Originally Posted by gixerman (Post 587633)

The emmisions of my bike and a lot less polluting than some of the rubbish on here :)

Originally Posted by fz911 (Post 586817)

what u expect us to do, float to work on the same drugs your smoking?????
we could always ditch the bikes and buy cars instead, which take up more space and cause more congestion, and also use more fuel
most normal bikes get about 40mpg, nowhere near the 100mpg of scooters etc
anyway, enough of the scorned biker rattling on
heres a post ive just made on another site

http://merseysidebikers.com/forum/te...n_minipost.gifPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: http://merseysidebikers.com/forum/te...icon_quote.gif
it pizzes me off,
really it does
not so much the price, but the fact that they are doing this for 2p a litre
and in doing this demonstration they are creating a standstill which will only damage the working class
the working class dont need this, they wanna move the demonstration to downing street, chain their bikes to the gates
and leave them there till the price comes down by 30p a litre
its a complate waste of their time and the poor people who are trying to travel to work on that route
if them motorways and roads are blocked, some people may lose their jobs
what if an ambulance has to get thru on a life/death call
the trucks should just stay out the way for that reason
precious minutes could make a hell of a difference to an ambo on blue lights
if ur gonna do a demonstration, do it right, 1000 bikes is impressive but its all for so little, they would have to do this once a month for 2 years to get anywhere, and thats if its successful in bringing the price down 2p a litre, which it probably wont be
we should get all the bike clubs in the country, and all the sites, and work together on a proper demonstration


something has to give somewhere, and as usual its left to the bikers to do the dirty work, coz the truckers have proved all they can do is cause a nuisance,

carl

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 587638)

Hmmmm I'm mightily confused.

Your post above contradicts hugely with what actually happened. You slate the truckers (erm they were actually with you); you talk about the danger of disrupting the ambulance service, yet no warning of the protest was made to the authorities for alternative routes to be planned; you talk about disrupting the poor people that are trying to get to work, and then your protest starts at rush hour and leads into the city?

Are you for real?

Originally Posted by gixerman (Post 587633)

The emmisions of my bike and a lot less polluting than some of the rubbish on here :)

Originally Posted by Less (Post 586343)

Ooooh No! Every mile done by them is adding to global warming, it's not as if they make any worthwhile contribution to the world!


At this point Less loses his bottle and runs for cover, knowing that there is bound to be at least one biker without a sense of humour!:D