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tosh 06-06-2008 18:21
do you fancy buying a church
 
cannon st baptist church is up for sale with a guide price of £400,000,

panther 06-06-2008 18:31
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imagine that being turned into a house!, it would be brilliant:D

blazey 06-06-2008 18:36
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I hate it when this happens to churches, and I think it is pretty horrible that such lovely buildings are bought privately and turned into houses and stuff so that they can no longer be enjoyed by everyone :(

WillowTheWhisp 06-06-2008 19:36
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But the congregation of the Baptist church could no longer afford the upkeep so what's the alternative?

blazey 06-06-2008 19:55
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 588540)
But the congregation of the Baptist church could no longer afford the upkeep so what's the alternative?
Council could have them as places of interest? Maybe keep them as community centres and such. Not a bloody house anyway.

There is a church building in Lancaster called the Friary that has been turned into a pub. How would you feel if your place of worship had to be turned into a pub willow? I get the feeling you would be upset about it.

polly 06-06-2008 19:56
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I would love to buy a church and covert it into a house...............but not in the centre of Accrington

I think this church would make a really good Indian restaurant though

wadey 06-06-2008 20:00
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It always seems like a good idea at the time (don't they all) but the Rising Bridge conversion has NOT sold and neither has the chapel conversion at Trawden.

Margaret Pilkington 06-06-2008 20:12
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No...not for me I would not want to live in converted church.
I wouldn't have it as a gift.

flashy 06-06-2008 20:18
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 588509)
I hate it when this happens to churches, and I think it is pretty horrible that such lovely buildings are bought privately and turned into houses and stuff so that they can no longer be enjoyed by everyone :(

well at least its still going to be there, just shut up and thank your lucky stars it not going to be pulled down

panther 06-06-2008 20:19
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why not margaret, not to your liking?

katex 06-06-2008 20:22
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Comes with Planning for 24 apartments .. see # 145 > 147 under Planning Applications thread.

Margaret Pilkington 06-06-2008 20:23
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Nope..............I would never sleep....and can you imagine having to do your daily ablutions in a place that was once revered.
I have seen a couple of converted churches and they still give me the willies. I imagine that the electric and gas bill would be enormous too.....have you ever been in a warm church?

shillelagh 06-06-2008 20:28
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You'd have quiet neighbours though margaret :D:D:D

AccyLass 06-06-2008 20:32
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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 588574)
You'd have quiet neighbours though margaret :D:D:D

Or ya hope:D (wo0o0o) lol

panther 06-06-2008 20:37
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aye dead quiet!


seen one church once that was converted and it still had the headstones in the garden!!:eek:
my daughter thought it was "cool"!!

Margaret Pilkington 06-06-2008 20:37
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Maybe they would hoover and dust while I was asleep. No......I definitely wouldn't want a church with a graveyard attached like the one at Rising Bridge.(I know it is daft really.......I am usually so logical)......but I don't want graves in my backyard...I want somewhere to hang the washing.

blazey 06-06-2008 20:39
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I would rather see a church pulled down than see it used for something other than its original purpose. It is against everything I've ever been taught about respecting the church and why should I think otherwise?

Margaret Pilkington 06-06-2008 20:42
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And left like the rubbish dump that once used to be Sacred Heart I suppose.

panther 06-06-2008 20:42
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Blazey youve become very religious all of a sudden havent ya?
since when did you ever go to church?

Margaret Pilkington 06-06-2008 20:45
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Some Churches are beautiful and Majestic......and the older ones definitely come into this category.......it would seem shameful to demolish such buildings.......but I wouldn't(personally) want to live in a converted church.....but then I don't like to see them used for antique retail outlets either. No, I don't know the answer.

blazey 06-06-2008 20:49
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Originally Posted by panther (Post 588584)
Blazey youve become very religious all of a sudden havent ya?
since when did you ever go to church?
Since when has it been any of your business how often I go to church? I take part in the christian events here every week, but I don't see what that really has to do with my opinion which is based on tradition, not religion.

Jesus didn't say lets not turn the church into a pub, it's just common sense that it is absolute sacrilegious to do such a thing. It's a place of worship not a place full of vile drunken behaviour.

Margaret Pilkington 06-06-2008 20:51
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Wasn't it Jesus who threw the money lenders out of the temple?

panther 06-06-2008 20:53
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 588587)
Since when has it been any of your business how often I go to church? I take part in the christian events here every week, but I don't see what that really has to do with my opinion which is based on tradition, not religion.

Jesus didn't say lets not turn the church into a pub, it's just common sense that it is absolute sacrilegious to do such a thing. It's a place of worship not a place full of vile drunken behaviour.
ya a moody cow!!

****** off if ya cant be nice!!

moon 06-06-2008 20:53
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Would feel weird to live in a church, quiet...... too quiet! :D

blazey 06-06-2008 20:59
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 588588)
Wasn't it Jesus who threw the money lenders out of the temple?
They weren't planning on turning the temple into a pub.

lancsdave 06-06-2008 21:05
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A church is already a house so no conversion needed :D

garinda 06-06-2008 21:19
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“Church isn’t where you meet. Church isn’t a building. Church is what you do. Church is who you are. Church is the human outworking of the person of Jesus Christ. Let’s not go to Church, let’s be the Church.”
- Bridget Wilard.

Royboy39 06-06-2008 21:35
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 588598)
A church is already a house so no conversion needed :D
In the words of our Great Leader from North of the border, 'If it's not sustainable....bin it' ....'We did that with with many Post Offices.'
'If the Christian Church can't afford to control their financies or maintain their premises...close them down.'
'Let's put our finance into growth industries...Like special training schools for the poor unfortunate ethnic minorities......Lets send millions of pounds in aid to countries who grow 'Fat Cats by the hundreds'.

Our money should be spent on our problems of which there are many.

shillelagh 06-06-2008 21:46
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The one at rising bridge has a small patio at the back of it, thats shut off from the graveyard. By the way my mum & dad are in there and doubt if they'd haunt you - if they havent come and got me well doubt theyd haunt the owner of the church!!!!

WillowTheWhisp 06-06-2008 21:59
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 588550)
How would you feel if your place of worship had to be turned into a pub willow? I get the feeling you would be upset about it.


It wouldn't bother me one bit. But then again I agree with what Rindy said. The church isn't the building it's the group of people. I have attended church in a purpose built building in Rawtenstall which I wasn't overthrilled with because it's set on high ground and in winter the approach can be extremely slippery and almost impossible to walk up to.

Then the geographic boundaries were changed and without moving house we became part of Blackburn Ward instead of Rawtenstall and started attending Blackburn but there wasn't a church building at the time and we met in rented rooms over the top of the Skipton Building Society.

Then a chapel was built and we moved into that. But then the congregation grew too big for the chapel so those of us who lived in the Accrington area were split off and we met in the Town Hall, then Moorhead High School, then the Masonic Lodge in Ossy (where we had the women's Relief Society in the bar area - we made some little curtains to cover the actual bar during our lessons but all the optics and bottles were still behind there), then shared the chapel with the Blackburn lot with them going in the morning and us going in the afternoon one year and the vice versa the next year.

Then lots of people moved out of the area and Blackburn Ward became quite small again so we were joined back together again and all of us met in the chapel in the mornings.

Then the chapel was refurbished and for a while we met at Darwen Vale High School.

So, you see to me the building is unimportant.

The building in Water Street Chorley which used to be the Chorley chapel no longer belongs to the church and I haven't a clue what it is now. Likewise the one in Nelson. It doesn't matter.

As far as Cannon Street Baptist chapel is concerned from an architectural point of view I would rather see the building saved and converted to something useful than demolished and lost forever.

I wouldn't mind living in a converted chapel in principal if it was done sympathetically and if there was enough private outside space. I think the one at Stonefold is a bit cramped and Cannon Street Baptist is too centrally located.

cashman 07-06-2008 01:25
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wouldn't really fancy livin in a church converted, but thats just a personal preferance, see shes done it again n the dummys are fallin fer it.:D

Benipete 07-06-2008 02:13
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People don't need churches, churches need people.Religion is in the heart and sole of the believer,no matter what faith they choose to believe in.You can pray to your God anywhere you like.(I prefer the mountains in Spain)no collection boxes.It's not the building that is a church,it is the people and how they treat there fellow man that is important.(Still can't do that water into wine trick,but as a club steward managed to reverse the process)Bricks and morter do not make Religion people do.End of sermon(can't manage the mount)

blazey 07-06-2008 05:43
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 588742)
People don't need churches, churches need people.Religion is in the heart and sole of the believer,no matter what faith they choose to believe in.You can pray to your God anywhere you like.(I prefer the mountains in Spain)no collection boxes.It's not the building that is a church,it is the people and how they treat there fellow man that is important.(Still can't do that water into wine trick,but as a club steward managed to reverse the process)Bricks and morter do not make Religion people do.End of sermon(can't manage the mount)
The church is a massive symbol in the Catholic faith, so I have to disagree with that. I'm sure the temples are very important in others too. Just because you disregard the idea doesn't mean everybody does.

WillowTheWhisp 07-06-2008 07:11
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Our temple is an important place to us but only in as much as what takes place there. If the building was 'de-dedicated' then the building itself wouldn't mean anything.

I can't understand why any religion would place more importance on something inanimate like a building than on the lives and souls of the people within it. That's one of the things I am most uncomfortable with in some other churches when people seem to revere the statues and images and almost worship them. I know not all people do but I've known plenty who do. They kiss the feet of the statues - so much so that the feet are all worn away from years of touching and kissing. What on earth is that all about?

Jesus preached in the open air. He didn't need a building. His most well remembered sermon was delivered from a mountain side.

Perhaps we should get the opinion of members of what was Cannon Street Baptsit church and find out how they feel about the building being up for sale. I remember a minister from there many years ago, Wilf Shewring, who wouldn't have had any objections to the building being sold and the money being made use of. It used to cost a fortune to heat the place and he used to say it was a waste of money. That was back when the old Sunday School part on Willow Street was sold off and the church interior was converted to make a smaller chapel and incorporate the Sunday School rooms into the same building.

Seriously though Blazey - if it wasn't sold and converted to a dwelling what do you suppose would have happened to it? I'd much rather see it survive as a building than collapse as a ruin.

Neil 07-06-2008 07:53
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 588571)
I imagine that the electric and gas bill would be enormous too.....have you ever been in a warm church?
Which in our current climate of rising energy prices and green movements could be a good reason to knock down old churches and build new efficient housing instead.

Neil 07-06-2008 08:02
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 588759)
The church is a massive symbol in the Catholic faith, so I have to disagree with that.

That is only because you are brain washing into thinking that so they can hand the collection box and shame you into giving them money.

Neil 07-06-2008 08:12
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 588766)
I can't understand why any religion would place more importance on something inanimate like a building than on the lives and souls of the people within it.
Thats the brain washing thing again, we have this big important building so you need to give us lots of money to pay for it. If like you did, they rented a room at a Town Hall or Community centre each week then the Church would not have to look after these expensive buildings they allegedly cannot afford (see the Aspire collection in the Observer for another Church driven guilt trip). Also by using Community building the Church would put something back into the Community.


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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 588766)
That's one of the things I am most uncomfortable with in some other churches when people seem to revere the statues and images and almost worship them.
That alway confused me about Catholics. Why pray to Mary? The second of Ten Commandments always spring to mind

Quote:
2. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
In fact most of the other commandments are a good way to live. Except the 7th one, I like to think of that more as a guideline than a law;)

polly 07-06-2008 08:12
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 588776)
That is only because you are brain washing into thinking that so they can hand the collection box and shame you into giving them money.
Oh come on be fair, they need the money to keep all the officials in luxry. Most religions make sure their officials are well looked after

Neil 07-06-2008 08:29
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Originally Posted by polly (Post 588780)
Oh come on be fair, they need the money to keep all the officials in luxry. Most religions make sure their officials are well looked after

I will not be drawn into what I know about what Churches spend money on. I will only get myself into trouble and you would probably not believe me anyway.

BLACKBURN RAVER 07-06-2008 08:39
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and i thought i was bad at winding people up, but blazey beats me hands down !!!!

as for me i could never live in an old church, but i dont see the problem in converting them, its beeter to do that than leave them to ruin and have the kids going in setting fire to it every day of the week !!!

jaysay 07-06-2008 08:43
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I think Rindi has it right the chuch is not the building it's the faith that is the church, this is why the say goes we belong to a broad church, which is the belief encompassing lots of values, not necessarily in relieion either

lancsdave 07-06-2008 09:32
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 588759)
Just because you disregard the idea doesn't mean everybody does.

Hit the nail on the head there Blazey.





















Oh hang on it's you thats disagreeing with everybody else :D

garinda 07-06-2008 10:20
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 588789)
I think Rindi has it right the chuch is not the building it's the faith that is the church, this is why the say goes we belong to a broad church, which is the belief encompassing lots of values, not necessarily in relieion either
Jesus attended the Jewish temple as a child, but nowhere in the Bible does he later preach Christianity in a church building.

His church was wherever people met to praise the Lord.

I'd much rather our arcitectural heritage be saved by conversion than demolished, which happened to both Mount Pleasant and Foxhill Bank churches in Oswaldtwistle.

jaysay 07-06-2008 11:11
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 588817)
Jesus attended the Jewish temple as a child, but nowhere in the Bible does he later preach Christianity in a church building.

His church was wherever people met to praise the Lord.

I'd much rather our arcitectural heritage be saved by conversion than demolished, which happened to both Mount Pleasant and Foxhill Bank churches in Oswaldtwistle.
Couldn't agree more Rindi, The old Mt Pleasant chuch was lovely inside, different to a lot of churches, and the last time I looked the site of Foxhill Bank was a car park, I'd much rather have the buildings myself even if they are turned into flats

LancYorkYankee 07-06-2008 15:03
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 588609)
“Church isn’t where you meet. Church isn’t a building. Church is what you do. Church is who you are. Church is the human outworking of the person of Jesus Christ. Let’s not go to Church, let’s be the Church.”
- Bridget Wilard.
Great quote you found Rindy (you closet believer you!;))!

I am curious: What happened to this church's congregation? Did they disband or move to smaller facilities? Are there not newly forming "contemporary-type" churches in the area that could/would be able to use this church?

Thanks,

Brian

jaysay 07-06-2008 15:13
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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee (Post 588965)
Great quote you found Rindy (you closet believer you!;))!

I am curious: What happened to this church's congregation? Did they disband or move to smaller facilities? Are there not newly forming "contemporary-type" churches in the area that could/would be able to use this church?

Thanks,

Brian
Mount Pleasant was rebuilt on the same site LYY, the Foxhill Bank congregation merged with Mount Pleasant, that was many moons ago

derekgas 07-06-2008 15:20
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Dont know the name of it, but the church next to Ewood Park has just been demolished, never paid much attention to it previously, but some of the stonework and decorative timber are no less than beautiful, even if it is in Ewood! :eek::D

derekgas 07-06-2008 15:29
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Might end up as a mosque like a church in Clitheroe! Much better to turn it into a retail outlet, charge people to come in and look around the building, refund the people that actually buy something in the store, and I mean retail in large items not another pound shop!

WillowTheWhisp 07-06-2008 16:21
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The congregation of Cannon Street Baptist has amalgamated with Christchurch I believe.


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Originally Posted by polly (Post 588780)
Oh come on be fair, they need the money to keep all the officials in luxry. Most religions make sure their officials are well looked after

Ours aren't paid.

blazey 07-06-2008 16:25
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 588806)
Hit the nail on the head there Blazey.





















Oh hang on it's you thats disagreeing with everybody else :D
There is a difference between disagreeing with everybody elses opinion and somebody making a supposed statement of fact.

Benipete 07-06-2008 16:52
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Well we are nearly all agreed that people are more important than buildings.I'll nip down the Asda for the 5 loaves and 2 fishes and I'll see you all on the top of the Coppice at 12 noon tomorrow.

katex 07-06-2008 16:55
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 589030)
Well we are nearly all agreed that people are more important than buildings.I'll nip down the Asda for the 5 loaves and 2 fishes and I'll see you all on the top of the Coppice at 12 noon tomorrow.
:D Will bring a packed lunch just in case.

garinda 07-06-2008 17:03
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 588967)
Mount Pleasant was rebuilt on the same site LYY, the Foxhill Bank congregation merged with Mount Pleasant, that was many moons ago
It was actually York Street, Foxhill Bank, and Mount Pleasant which were merged in 1969, to form what is now Rhyddings Methodist. It was housed in the old Mount Pleasant Chapel until that too was demolished, and rebuilt in it's present form in the eighties.

York Street is still standing, and is used for light industrial use. Foxhill Bank was used as a slipper factory until it's demolotion in the nineties.

polly 07-06-2008 18:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 589030)
Well we are nearly all agreed that people are more important than buildings.I'll nip down the Asda for the 5 loaves and 2 fishes and I'll see you all on the top of the Coppice at 12 noon tomorrow.
If you do a vegetarian, gluten free and dairy free version i might make the climb and run the gauntlet of the underage motorbike riders

emamum 07-06-2008 18:18
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 589030)
Well we are nearly all agreed that people are more important than buildings.I'll nip down the Asda for the 5 loaves and 2 fishes and I'll see you all on the top of the Coppice at 12 noon tomorrow.
and i will fetch a massive vat of water :D:D:D

WillowTheWhisp 10-06-2008 10:23
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There's a lovely chapel conversion on 'To Buy or Not To Buy' this morning. £249,000


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