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pam1 07-06-2008 09:45

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A COUNCIL is refusing to empty wheelie bins if dustmen cannot pull them with just TWO fingers.
The unofficial health and safety policy is designed to protect staff from heavy bins falling off lorries.
Katie Shergold fell foul of it when she left a green wheelie bin containing only grass cuttings outside her home.
She was amazed to see a burly binman tip it back to judge its weight, slap a “heavy” sticker on it and leave it unemptied.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...25_502450a.jpg The Talibin ... UK threat


When she complained to her council she was stunned to learn men are permitted to leave bins if they don’t pass the “two finger” test.
Healthcare assistant Katie, 26, of Warminster, Wilts, said: “They told me it was normal for binmen to leave bins they couldn’t pull with two fingers.
“These were big men and the bin was only 6ft from their lorry but they just left it there. It’s ridiculous.”
Petite Katie, who is 5ft 4in, had no trouble wheeling the bin round to the front of the house herself and putting it out on the pavement.
She ended up emptying the grass clippings into bin liners and driving them to a local tip.
Katie, whose hubby Leigh, 31, is a builder, added: “I work really hard but have to pay £130 a month in council tax. We are charged for this service without getting anything in return.”


West Wiltshire District Council denied an official two-fingers policy but admitted it was used as a way of determining weight.
It said heavy bins could break the trucks’ hydraulic lifting system or topple off.
Spokesman Nicole Smith said: “If a bin is considered by the operatives to be overloaded the resident will have to remove some contents.”
Doretta Cocks, of the Campaign for Weekly Collections, said: “It’s another example of a council introducing a crazy health and safety policy without considering the health and safety of residents who must move bins themselves.”
This week June Kay, 79, was told by a Lancashire council that binmen would no longer drive up to her house.

Less 07-06-2008 10:00

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It said heavy bins could break the trucks’ hydraulic lifting system or topple off.
This sounds like bad design faults to the equipment, surely it should be capable of doing the job it was designed for or else it isn't safe and shouldn't be used until corrected, rather than putting restrictions on the householders?

accyman 07-06-2008 10:13

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Originally Posted by pam1 (Post 588808)
A COUNCIL is refusing to empty wheelie bins if dustmen cannot pull them with just TWO fingers.

im glad jeremy beedle didnt take a career in refuse collection :eek:


does anyone remember the days when bin men actualy did a days graft :rolleyes:

onlyme 07-06-2008 10:34

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harsh accyman, really harsh lol

accyman 07-06-2008 10:38

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Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 588823)
harsh accyman, really harsh lol


this guy would be ideal for the job if you only need 2 digets to be a bin man :D

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...ZA_380758a.jpg


lets face it unlike many council employees he wont stand around scratching his backside all day ;)


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lancsdave 07-06-2008 10:51

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The taliban have been lifting 2 fingers at us for years :D

jaysay 07-06-2008 10:58

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 588829)
The taliban have been lifting 2 fingers at us for years :D

And so have asylum seekers :D

cashman 07-06-2008 10:59

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read it,front page of mail, was gonna post meself but ya beat me to it, was quite a few Differant Councils taking measures- e.g. a 90 odd yr old man put a ketchup bottle in wrong bin, council have refused to move his rubbish full stop:mad: worlds gone mad.:rolleyes:

pam1 07-06-2008 11:08

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them ware the days when they used to carry the bin over there shoulders and carry it to the wagon but not these days. that's Way they got the wagons to do all the work for then and us as well.

pam1 07-06-2008 11:14

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 588832)
read it,front page of mail, was gonna post meself but ya beat me to it, was quite a few Differant Councils taking measures- e.g. a 90 odd yr old man put a ketchup bottle in wrong bin, council have refused to move his rubbish full stop:mad: worlds gone mad.:rolleyes:

cash that's health and safety for you not allowed to move bottles ...you have to do it your self:mad:lol

andrewb 07-06-2008 11:17

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Seems rather silly, what has it got to do with the Taliban though?

katex 07-06-2008 11:20

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 588845)
Seems rather silly, what has it got to do with the Taliban though?

LOL .. play on words Andrew .. 'Talibin' .. not 'Taliban'. Quite clever I thought.. :D

AccyLass 07-06-2008 11:20

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As someone has said, it's ridiculous, we do all the work for them while the council just provide someone just to stand there and watch the lorry:rolleyes:

Bonnyboy 07-06-2008 11:20

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Read the story. Whilst I was getting my morning paper I spied thia story on the front of the Telegraph - Brew must be joking !

Absolutely crazy.

pam1 07-06-2008 11:37

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 588848)
Read the story. Whilst I was getting my morning paper I spied thia story on the front of the Telegraph - Brew must be joking !

Absolutely crazy.

well bonnyboy your tea bags went it my bin, so i wont get mine emptied now, I'm going to jive them my neighbour. lol:D

derekgas 07-06-2008 11:46

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I am all for safety at work, but if the size of the bins dont tell you that they are likely to be heavy, then the bins should be smaller, or the wagon lift should be stronger, if the bins are smaller, then we have to go back to weekly collecting, if the wagons cant handle the weight, we have to go back to weekly collecting, you would think a bin MAN would ignore the 2 finger guidance for fear of seeming a wimp, after all, we have to move the bins much further than they do, it will be interesting when somebody moves there own bin and pulls thier back out or otherwise injures themselves, especially if it happens to be one of our ethnic bretherend.

cashman 07-06-2008 13:50

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 588854)
I am all for safety at work, but if the size of the bins dont tell you that they are likely to be heavy, then the bins should be smaller, or the wagon lift should be stronger, if the bins are smaller, then we have to go back to weekly collecting, if the wagons cant handle the weight, we have to go back to weekly collecting, you would think a bin MAN would ignore the 2 finger guidance for fear of seeming a wimp, after all, we have to move the bins much further than they do, it will be interesting when somebody moves there own bin and pulls thier back out or otherwise injures themselves, especially if it happens to be one of our ethnic bretherend.

stop talking sense, this is councils were discussing.:rolleyes::D

onlyme 07-06-2008 14:35

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 588826)
this guy would be ideal for the job if you only need 2 digets to be a bin man :D

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...ZA_380758a.jpg


lets face it unlike many council employees he wont stand around scratching his backside all day ;)


.

You seem to be enjoying this far too much lmao

Tried to give ya karma for perseverance. Apparently i need to spread it around first. Not sure Accy web karma system realises I;ve been trying to do that for years but no luck ;)

Neil 07-06-2008 14:59

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 588846)
LOL .. play on words Andrew .. 'Talibin' .. not 'Taliban'. Quite clever I thought.. :D

Yes it is a clever play on words, just a shame Pam put Taliban in the thread :D:D:D

derekgas 07-06-2008 15:31

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 588910)
stop talking sense, this is councils were discussing.:rolleyes::D

Errrm, Yep! Ya got me there!!

WillowTheWhisp 07-06-2008 16:13

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Yes, I remember when bin men carried a heavy metal bin full of ashes from the fire, and they had a brush to sweep up any mess and they always picked up anything they dropped and they were polite and courteous. In those days they deserved a Christmas tip.

jambutty 08-06-2008 06:14

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Heard on the wireless the other day that some council in the Ribble Valley was refusing to collect the bins from properties at the top of a hill. Residents were told that they had to bring their bins half a mile to the bottom of the hill. And then collect them when emptied.

I can’t remember the reason for this crackpot instruction.

blazey 08-06-2008 06:32

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The bin collection round here is really good. Recycling is too. If you recycle things wrong they come around and show you how to do it properly, and if they aren't in we get leaflets and stickers to put on the bins to remind up and stuff. We have 3 recycling boxes altogether, 1 for plastic, 1 for tins and card, 1 for glass and paper. Not all plastics are recyclable but I just put them all in and they just leave the ones that cant be recycled behind.

Should add that I think the play on words is very ill-fitting seen as it has absolutely nothing to do with the taliban. You can hardly call the taliban lazy. They learn to fly planes, make bombs, fire weapons, all sorts of stuff. That takes dedication ;)

cashman 08-06-2008 11:54

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interesting story front page sats telegraph, some old guy in blackburn had his rubbish left n a note by binmen explaining they would not take it cos there was a tea-bag in his wheelie bin, pictures in paper,(sorry dont know how to link) its going crazier is this damn thing, does anyone know where the hell yer supposed to put yer tea-bags?:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

panther 08-06-2008 11:59

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oh ere we go again.......:rolleyes:



EEE bye eck, i remember when the bin men used to lift bags and throw them into the wagon, and even used to get them from the garden and sweep any mess they left!, now they saying they cant touch if they cant move with two fingers?....LOL....it must be a wind up!............next they will be saying..."sorry but ya bins too smelly, we cant cope with the fumes!"

STUPID DIVS

Mick 08-06-2008 12:00

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Binman refuse to take Blackburn pensioner's recycling due to tea bag
By Tom Moseley
BINMEN refused to take a disabled pensioner's recycling away because he had accidentally dropped a teabag inside the dustbin.

Donald MacKenzie, who is registered disabled, had carefully sorted his plastic, tin and glass into the correct recycling wheelie bin and says he has no idea how the teabag got inside.

A note pushed through the 74-year-old's door on Lammack Road, Blackburn, said the bulging wheelie bin had been left because of "food waste" next to which someone had written "t bag".

Even green campaigners have branded their actions "over the top and draconian".

After the Lancashire Telegraph raised the issue with Blackburn with Darwen council, bosses said there had been a "misunderstanding" and promised to go back to his house and empty the bin.

Mr MacKenzie, who has difficulty walking, said: "It must have been dropped in by mistake, but this is so utterly stupid.

"I always make a definite effort to recycle, I take it very seriously."

After his grey bin - which is meant for all recyclables - had been left untouched last Tuesday, Mr MacKenzie, a retired baker, phoned the council for clarification, but was again told he had left food waste in the bin.

He added: "It's so ridiculous - now I will have to wait another two weeks for it to be collected.

"It's already full, so I will have to use my next door neighbour's bin.

"I always sort my recycling out, and put it in separate bags to keep the bin clean. But at times like this I wonder why I bother."

Ward councillor and deputy council leader Michael Lee vowed to look into the matter.

He said: "This is stupid, and I will be raising it at the next meeting.

"The whole idea behind this system is if someone's put something in by mistake you speak to them and remind them not to.

"You have to use common sense. We anticipate there will be some contamination, we have already said that.

"To treat someone like this is absolutely ridiculous."

Peter Hunt, director of regeneration and environment, said: "There seems to have been a misunderstanding, which we have been happy to clear up.

"A supervisor from our recycling contractors, Greenstar, has been to see the customer, and we have arranged to empty his bin.

"Food waste in recycling bins can cause contamination that results in whole truckloads of recyclables being unusable and having to go to landfill, so we do have to be careful.

"That's why we ask people to keep their non-recyclable waste out of their recycling bin."

Chris Coates, a Lancashire Green Party county councillor, said: "If we are to increase recycling rates we need to help, not hinder people.

"The odd teabag really shouldn't make any difference. This sort of action should be reserved for people who leave side waste out in the street.

"It's over the top and draconian."

Brian Todd, of Blackburn with Darwen Older People's Forum, said: "It's one of those ridiculous bureaucratic things where they just think about rules, not human beings.

"With older people there are likely to be mistakes now and again, but with something very minor like this you would have thought they could use some discretion."

Last month residents of Skipton, in North Yorkshire, were told they had to empty their own bins because of fears binmen could hurt themselves lifting bags out of dustbins.:D

And last week it was revealed a pensioner in the Ribble Valley had been told to walk half a mile to put out her own bins because new lorries could't make it up her road

cashman 08-06-2008 12:03

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 589274)

Should add that I think the play on words is very ill-fitting seen as it has absolutely nothing to do with the taliban. You can hardly call the taliban lazy. They learn to fly planes, make bombs, fire weapons, all sorts of stuff. That takes dedication ;)

have to disagree blaze, many councils seem to be members n our leader P.B. is certainly n ayatolla.:D;)

cashman 08-06-2008 12:05

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mick do you know where yer supposed to put tea-bags? cos i flamin don't.:confused:

andrewb 08-06-2008 12:08

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Did it not take more effort to write a letter and post it through the door? Bureaucracy gone mad.

BERNADETTE 08-06-2008 12:11

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Just read a thread on Blackburn forum, one of the members is fuming. Apparently her Mums bin man ripped open her black bags and because there was a banana skin in it he told the mother off and refused to take the rubbish. She found her Mum sorting through all the rubbish. This is getting out of hand:mad: By the way they are not bin men now they are recycling agents

cashman 08-06-2008 12:13

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 589391)
Just read a thread on Blackburn forum, one of the members is fuming. Apparently her Mums bin man ripped open her black bags and because there was a banana skin in it he told the mother off and refused to take the rubbish. She found her Mum sorting through all the rubbish. This is getting out of hand:mad: By the way they are not bin men now they are recycling agents

no they aint recycling agents they are Richard Heads.:D

BERNADETTE 08-06-2008 12:16

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 589393)
no they aint recycling agents they are Richard Heads.:D

Something else that we agree on;)

WillowTheWhisp 08-06-2008 14:23

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I think the teabags are supposed to go in with compostible waste but what do you do with that if they don't let you have a bin for compostible waste because they say you haven't got a garden - like the invisible non-existant garden outside our house with plants in.

cashman 08-06-2008 14:32

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 589434)
I think the teabags are supposed to go in with compostible waste but what do you do with that if they don't let you have a bin for compostible waste because they say you haven't got a garden - like the invisible non-existant garden outside our house with plants in.

exactly what i was thinking, so as ours have to go in the wheely bin, whats the differance between his teabag n mine?:rolleyes:

slinky 08-06-2008 14:33

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 589391)
Just read a thread on Blackburn forum, one of the members is fuming. Apparently her Mums bin man ripped open her black bags and because there was a banana skin in it he told the mother off and refused to take the rubbish. She found her Mum sorting through all the rubbish. This is getting out of hand:mad: By the way they are not bin men now they are recycling agents

Yeah, I was looking on HBC's website earlier.... I quite like the new Uniform for our RECYCLING AGENTS :D:D;)

jambutty 08-06-2008 14:48

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All this bru ha ha smacks of preparing the ground to justify an increase in Council Tax on the pretext that it suddenly costs more to deal with domestic rubbish.

On the other hand, unknown to us, all officials in local government have been replaced by cloned escapees from a looney bin.

Beware strange plants growing in your garden that look like an extra large melon.


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