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Sportsmen and Women are being tested for illicit drugs.
Would anyone object to a drug test after making a job application?
If anyone refuses..No job.
The Services conduct drug tests....anyone found to be taking drugs...Out.
Do you consider that it would be an attack on your civil liberties if as a student or employee you were subjected to a random drug test?

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Nope I wouldn't mind ..... I have nothing to hide, so wouldn't mind proving myself to them.

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depends what sort of test n what for to me, many employees are on medication legally for various ailments, think its too vague at present.:confused:

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Talking about the heavy stuff Cashy.

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if its illegal substances personally would not have a problem, might have objected in the 60s.:D

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Drug users more than likely

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The nearest I got to a drug in the 60's was 'Palladrin' to prevent Malaria.

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That is the point I'm making....Use drugs...No Job.

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strikes me though,if that was the case, they would probably mug or burgle you to get the money.:eek:

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It would look well on the form from the dole...'Cant employ this person...tested positive on a drugs test'..........Stop Benefits.

Got to start somewhere...........are we frightened of these bums?

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Not too sure I like it to be truthful. Is it only illegal drugs that show up on these tests, or do they test generally for medication?

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How would they get their fix then??

As Cashman has said, mug someone to get it

There are enough that already do this

The government reckon that they give each person enough to live on, I can't see them taking that money off them, therefore making them homeless and pennyless

As nice an idea as it would be to think that if you take away their money, they will want to work and provide for themselves, this more than likely wouldn't happen and they would find other ways to "fund" their habits, to feed and live

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From my understanding...as a layman...as we all are...I dont think the birth pill would light any beacons but Aspirin would, steroids would...I am of the opinion that general medication would be discounted.
Illicit substances should certainly not be discounted.

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What do we do then...Throw the towel in?

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Isn't that what they do anyway?

What would you like them to do?

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Or should I have said, we do nothing, the government does what they see fit:rolleyes:

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Why should anyone object. Employers have a right to set the criteria for a job. No doubt those employers who do drugs test already will inform you of that so the answer is easy, don't apply.

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Me personally.............Lock them up and throw the key away.
I have lived almost 69 years and never been tempted once.

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Dave...for once you and I agree.
Would it not be a way of identifying and sorting the wheat from the chaff?

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I'm thinking more along the line of anti-depressants.

Because if they are to show up, and I don't think it is an employers business in that case, I would not be particularly happy (no jokes please!)

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There is already a thread about this.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-uk-37735.html

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Is there any reason why new threads cant be started on topics previously discussed?

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Not according to the Big G......He rules the cockpit.

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I could play on your choice of words there to say what I REALLY think but I best not, because I get in enough trouble :p

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Me too...............;)

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As a rule people tend to search for threads on the topic they wish to post about. Think it is something to do with cost as bandwidth has to be paid for.

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Perhaps it would be wise to regularly clear old topics of little importance off the forum then rather than causing an inconvenience to the users who don't know all these different rules.

After all, old issues change with time, they don't always stay the same.

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What timescale would you apply to these 'old' topics ?

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Ye...right....that is a very reasoned explanation.......I will take that on board. ;)

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What time scale would you suggest?

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I didn't say it was a rule just people being considerate and thinking about how much it is costing for the site. After all unless you donate it is free so a bit of consideration for the person paying for it is polite:(

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Well how long has accyweb been established?

There are some threads which the moderators could easily decide had little value. Old job adverts for example, condensing the help and questions into sticky topics and getting rid of those, removing members off the forum which have been inactive for a certain period.

It's not a case of a set rule for such a thing, it's just common sense if it is costing money. Same with shutting down the post offices ;) (look at my anti-tory idea, oh dear)

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No, except we'd end up with umpteen threads on the same subject.

The moderators usually join them together.

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The previous discussion on the subject posted on the link was 3 months old, where does that come in your master plan ?

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It's one of them!! Damned if you do... Damned if you don't... there is always one KNOW ALL KNOW NOTHING that will point out there is already a thread about it... But if you bring an old thread back to life some other know all will point out it's an old thread :confused::confused: hmmmmm

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When I was in the army I got in working mens clubs without card.
Some of us are fortunate that we can affiord to donate to the site.
Paying for the site is a massive operation and the finances of the site is an admin responsibility......they do that very well.
Blazey is a student...we have had our ups and down...yes.
Let admin decide who does what.
When she can afford to donate I'm sure she will do so.

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Some issues DO change within three months. We could talk about every single person who gets stabbed in the country in one thread but we just don't do it. We could talk about all political issues in one thread called 'politics' but we dont do that either.

Yes it would be convenient if we did, but sometimes these perceptions of convenience just lead to confusion.

I've had my own student forum before and we managed it quite well, but I changed plans about which uni I was going to so shut it down, so I know that it can be annoying but you just have to think of ways to control it, not expect the users to do it for you.

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If they cared to look they can see I once HAVE donated but unfortunately I couldn't keep up my payments to the site due to having to eat :p I didn't donate the minimum amount either! I think new ideas are priceless anyway :p

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Did I ask Blazey if she had donated? For that matter I may or may not have made a donation myself that is nothing to do with anyone else. I was just trying to explain why some people search out threads on a topic before starting a new one.:mad:

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Sorry for bringing it up.

It was only a short time ago, not years.

I only mentioned it because I'd posted in the other thread, and I didn't want myself, or others that had posted, to have to repeat what they'd already said.

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Hopefully the forum owners will take on board your expertise and make it more efficient then.

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Sorry!! that wasn't aimed at anyone in particular!! :o But it is one of those things... ya never know what is the best way, cos someone will point it out either way you do it.



OK enough... or we'll get out hands slapped for wandering :D:D

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I'm not saying I am an expert, but I am just suggesting things that can be done to utilise the space. I don't get any of this sarcasm from Roy about it either, and I don't think he'd knock anyones opinion of things that could be done.

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There may come a day Dave when you come off your high tower and contribute without being a smart arse.?

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I always think elders should lead by example, you go first and I'll follow suit ;)

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:D lol

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I am quite concerned by the fact royboy seems to be sticking up for me...

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strong stuff spanish brandy.:D

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I could do with a brandy right now, but silly me spent all my loan on alcohol, and I have no money now!

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i think its very shakey ground, seem to remember n athlete being banned fer illegal substances n then it turned out it was summat else.:confused: its not the druggies that concern me in this, its the ordinary people.

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He needs friends :rolleyes:

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this drug testing thing is wide open for discussion , would Keith Richards or Clapton be a better musicians if they played 'clean' while doing their job , same with the Olympic atheletes , do we really want to set up a steroid built morons as an example for our kids as heros, (the Chariots of Fire days are long gone)
Are Macdonalds and KFC asking too much when they require the 17 yr old operating a deep fat fryer to be meth free ?
Similar question, the local bus company that takes pensioners on reduced fare trips to Blackpool , do we/you really know that the driver is capable of passing a breathalyser after attending the previous nights Accy web meet ?
( the only way to find out if a prospective employee is an alcoholic is a liver test, something quite different from a simple urine test drug sceen )
Should Banks be able to refuse employment to someone who shows traces of cocaine in his/her system , lets face it a bank job doesn't appear to have many health and safety limitations ......but to me a positive drug test could show a probability for the need for cash .
As for question about prescription drugs showing up , as far as I know all applicants are required to fill-in a pre-screen questionaire and list all prescribed drugs .
:confused: :confused: :confused:

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maybe over the pond not sure they have here in many places.:confused: i never filled owt in anywhere when starting, but then i'm a dinosaur.

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No you are right cashy, I have never had to either, though places sometimes ask you if you have health issues which include mental health problems for your own good, but as far as I know it isnt compulsory.

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If the tests were restricted to currently illegal substances then it wouldn’t bother me even if I were young enough to be looking for a job.

However there is the problem of substances that are illegal for competitive sportsmen/women but are not in themselves illegal.

Also as long as it would apply to EVERONE. Meaning the new CEO, MD, MP’s etc.

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Being part of the EU means that we have to follow the rule of law, and one particular principle of the rule of law is that nobody has privilege before the law...

of course this isn't ENTIRELY followed at all times.

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Quite difficult to educate pork..............(Avatar)....That do? :cool:

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That's what I thought..........but if you think I'm going to buy you a drink...Sod off :cool::p

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Dont see why not - id probably test positive anyway .... one of my tablets is valium based and if they refused me the job on that then i could get them for discrimination.

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That's very funny Margaret.............I think your misery shell may be cracking :eek::p

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i think the drug testing could get complicated - there are many prescription AND over the counter drugs that athletes cant take because of something or other that is in them -
and it could look like they have taken performance enhancing drugs when they havent -
i think one of the british players used a vicks nose sniffy thing (cant remember what they called sorry ) and in america they had something different in them which was related to amphetamine - or showed up as such - i think he was suspended until they found out what it was --

so where would the protection be from things like this ?

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i think that was probably the same incident as i jjust posted

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surely the fact that you are on 'valium' is or should be an automatic disqualification from some jobs , so why do you feel you have an entitlement to sue ? thats as insane as someone who has lost both feet sueing because he's not allowed to join a clog dancing troupe.

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The some jobs that you say i wouldnt probably apply for anyway because of the medical condition.

You ever been told to your face that you are over qualified for the job and that he would hire you in a flash .... just to be told that because of the medical condition that he wouldnt hire you? I have .... oh and it was an office juniors job and it was a solicitor that said it. That is the kind i meant.

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i work for for a company that delivers to a main super market which requires the tests and if we have a small accident or crack a lens we have to have a drug & alcohol test . the alcohol test is the same as the police .the drug test they have to get a doctor in. you have to give a sample of urine which they dip a strip of card in which shows strips if your positive. before the test you are asked if you are on any medication. if you fail because of your medication you are supended.for a week or two with full pay, ( which gets abused if you cant get hols )its we known which medicines fail the test .til the result comes back. if you fail because of other substances you are sacked. the doctor charges about £350 a test. i have now worked for two firms that give drug tests on the interview.

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yeh talking firms in scotland folly? they seem to have differant rules fer many things.:confused:

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this one is from sainsburys so all the sainsburys depots have the same rules

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Thats whats so bloody stupid about this country now cashy, different rules for scottlan than us on many thinks, its mad:(