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jaysay 13-06-2008 16:28
Hospital parking
 
Parking charges at the Royal Blackburn Hospital were £590,287 last year, of this £337, 000 was paid by the public and £253,000 from the Staff, it cost £1.80 which rises to £3.80 after six hours, the thing that narks me the most is the amount staff are charged. This is just a tax on the sick and their relatives, anyone who has spent any time in hospital, look forward to visiting hours they are all part of the recovery process, your relatives have now got to pa for the privilege. Just a point, if Gordon is ever taken ill in his home constituency he or his family won't have to pay parking fees at the hospital, parkings free in Scotland :(

yerself 13-06-2008 16:35
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay
if Gordon is ever taken ill in his home constituency he or his family won't have to pay parking fees at the hospital, parkings free in Scotland
They won't have to pay in England. I don't think BUPA, Nuffield, or any of the other private hospitals charge. Do they?

Bonnyboy 13-06-2008 18:25
Re: Hospital parking
 
The charges are very very unfair. They are just macking a fast buck out of peoples misery.

jambutty 13-06-2008 18:35
Re: Hospital parking
 
This is yet another facet of the dodecahedron of “pricing the ordinary person out of their cars.”

Make no mistake, we who had the temerity to get above our station, learn to drive and actually own a car, are going to be slapped down back onto our own two feet.

Words like scandalous come to mind.

entwisi 13-06-2008 18:41
Re: Hospital parking
 
quarter of a million for Staff to park! That is disgusting. Lettie, where do we sign to show our feelings on the matter. The nurses do a hard job on not a lot of money, to take that amount off them they shoud be ashamed of themselves. At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!

garinda 13-06-2008 18:46
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 592285)
if Gordon is ever taken ill in his home constituency he or his family won't have to pay parking fees at the hospital, parkings free in Scotland :(

...along with free tuition fees for students, and free residential care for the elderly, and yet Scottish M.P.'s still vote at Westminster on issues which only apply to England and Wales.

The whole thing stinks, nearly as much as the parking fees.

shillelagh 13-06-2008 18:46
Re: Hospital parking
 
Thats across the whole trust though isnt it jaysay?

In this weeks Rossendale Free Press they have broken down the charges they've also added in Fairfield and Rochdales as people from rossendale go to both of them as well as burnley and blackburn.

According to the Free press in the last 12 months car parking charges netted Burnley General Hospital £252,000, The Royal Blackburn Hospital £85,425, Fairfield Bury £266,896, Rochdale infirmary £112,524. The staff car parking charges Royal Blackburn £168,862, Burnley £84,000, Fairfield £142,102, Rochdale £112,062.

The telegraph hasnt broken it down to each hospital - just took it all together.

garinda 13-06-2008 18:52
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 592357)
This is yet another facet of the dodecahedron of “pricing the ordinary person out of their cars.”
Do you get out of your car?

I thought you just sat there in a disabled parking bay, while your able bodied passenger did your errands?

Neil 13-06-2008 19:29
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 592289)
They won't have to pay in England. I don't think BUPA, Nuffield, or any of the other private hospitals charge. Do they?

Not sure about that, I will let you know if I ever have to use one.

Neil 13-06-2008 19:32
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 592362)
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!
If more Doctors and Nurses wore masks and remembered more of their basic training the hospitals would have less visitors.

jambutty 14-06-2008 08:39
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 592376)
Do you get out of your car?

I thought you just sat there in a disabled parking bay, while your able bodied passenger did your errands?
Spoken like a true obnoxious jerk.

I admit to doing that once and you jump to the erroneous conclusion that I do it all the time.

Visualise me showing you that I can still draw a long bow with either hand.

jaysay 14-06-2008 08:55
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 592370)
...along with free tuition fees for students, and free residential care for the elderly, and yet Scottish M.P.'s still vote at Westminster on issues which only apply to England and Wales.

The whole thing stinks, nearly as much as the parking fees.
Well Rindi at least we can agree on somethings:rolleyes:

jaysay 14-06-2008 09:03
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 592371)
Thats across the whole trust though isnt it jaysay?

In this weeks Rossendale Free Press they have broken down the charges they've also added in Fairfield and Rochdales as people from rossendale go to both of them as well as burnley and blackburn.

According to the Free press in the last 12 months car parking charges netted Burnley General Hospital £252,000, The Royal Blackburn Hospital £85,425, Fairfield Bury £266,896, Rochdale infirmary £112,524. The staff car parking charges Royal Blackburn £168,862, Burnley £84,000, Fairfield £142,102, Rochdale £112,062.

The telegraph hasnt broken it down to each hospital - just took it all together.
Never realised Fairfield and Rochdale came under our Health Authority, thought they came under North Manchester

garinda 14-06-2008 10:25
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 592587)
Spoken like a true obnoxious jerk.

I admit to doing that once and you jump to the erroneous conclusion that I do it all the time.

Visualise me showing you that I can still draw a long bow with either hand.
Just because you've been reminded of something you did that the rest of us thought morally wrong, there's no need to get all defensive.

Boeing Guy 14-06-2008 10:32
Re: Hospital parking
 
£1.80 thats cheap, look at the price of a lock change at BRI:
From the Guardian.

David Hencke, Westminster correspondent
Thursday January 17, 2008
The Guardian

Millions of pounds of taxpayers' money is being wasted by officials who overpay private firms to do the simplest tasks like installing a new electric socket or replacing a lock, the National Audit Office reveals today.

An investigation into £180m of public money spent renegotiating private finance initiative contracts to build and run hospitals, schools, prisons and courts in 2006 reveals 10-fold differences in payments for similar tasks. With PFI being Gordon Brown's favourite way to fund new public projects - it now accounts for £44bn of public spending - the NAO is calling for much tighter controls over any changes to the contracts, which often run for 30 years or more.

The report cites Royal Blackburn Hospital as the best and worst example of saving and wasting public money. It qualifies for the cheapest and most expensive cost for replacing a key - £4.26 to £47.48. It also qualifies for the most expensive bill to fit a data point - £398.30 - and the most expensive lock change - £486.54. The cheapest lock fitting was in Calderdale Royal Hospital in Halifax at £30.81.




PFI waste of money, still Gordon does not care about that.

jambutty 14-06-2008 12:32
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 592648)
Just because you've been reminded of something you did that the rest of us thought morally wrong, there's no need to get all defensive.
Ooooo! Get her!

Got your knickers in a twist have you?

jambutty 14-06-2008 12:39
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 592655)
£1.80 thats cheap, look at the price of a lock change at BRI:
From the Guardian.

David Hencke, Westminster correspondent
Thursday January 17, 2008
The Guardian

Millions of pounds of taxpayers' money is being wasted by officials who overpay private firms to do the simplest tasks like installing a new electric socket or replacing a lock, the National Audit Office reveals today.

An investigation into £180m of public money spent renegotiating private finance initiative contracts to build and run hospitals, schools, prisons and courts in 2006 reveals 10-fold differences in payments for similar tasks. With PFI being Gordon Brown's favourite way to fund new public projects - it now accounts for £44bn of public spending - the NAO is calling for much tighter controls over any changes to the contracts, which often run for 30 years or more.

The report cites Royal Blackburn Hospital as the best and worst example of saving and wasting public money. It qualifies for the cheapest and most expensive cost for replacing a key - £4.26 to £47.48. It also qualifies for the most expensive bill to fit a data point - £398.30 - and the most expensive lock change - £486.54. The cheapest lock fitting was in Calderdale Royal Hospital in Halifax at £30.81.




PFI waste of money, still Gordon does not care about that.
This is what you get with Private Initiative Financing.

Who is to blame?

Well it’s not the NHS or you or me but the government for allowing it to happen because there was not enough money in the kitty to pay for the building of new hospitals.

Any guesses why there wasn’t enough money available?

Much of our taxes have been wasted and grossly mismanaged by Brown.

WillowTheWhisp 14-06-2008 13:31
Re: Hospital parking
 
It's scandalous that staff should have to pay to park. It does get very expensive visiting someone in hospital with the parking charge. The bus which runs from Accrington to the hospital and return gets me there far too early for visiting time and then I have to leave before VT is over in order to be able to catch it on the return journey. That's £3 a time. It didn't used to cost me anything to visit people in Accy Vic because I could walk there and back.

garinda 14-06-2008 13:36
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 592715)
Ooooo! Get her!

Got your knickers in a twist have you?

Is this an example of the reasoned debate, without resorting to silly name calling, that you referred to in another thread?:mad:

jambutty 14-06-2008 22:08
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 592766)
Is this an example of the reasoned debate, without resorting to silly name calling, that you referred to in another thread?:mad:
No it’s responding to your childish attempts to have a dig at me.

Your turn but I won’t be responding.

forceten 14-06-2008 23:16
Re: Hospital parking
 
So how come that staff have to pay to park.............they have no choice it's taken out of there wages, but that there are not enough car parking spaces for the staff.

So in effect the staff pay for the parking but don't get the parking spaces?

And if they complain, they are told they have pay the full day ticket, even though they have already paid out of there wages?

Why do they have pay for a service that cannot be provided?

garinda 14-06-2008 23:21
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 592715)
Ooooo! Get her!

Got your knickers in a twist have you?
Kettle, pot, black.

It does amuse me that the people who shout loudest about other people's behaviour, are the ones themselves with the worst manners, and the ones who demand the most respect, even though they have none for anyone else.

To me it just proves the point that with age, wisdom doesn't necessarily follow.

I don't need to labour the point.

You have done that yourself, through your bad tempered churlisness.

garinda 14-06-2008 23:26
Re: Hospital parking
 
You were morally wrong to sit a parking space designated for a disabled driver, while your able bodied driver went about your business.

We all agree that, except for yourself.

Our thoughts are with the poor disabled person who was denied the place you took, and may have struggled because of your selfishness.:(

Bonnyboy 14-06-2008 23:35
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by forceten (Post 592943)
So how come that staff have to pay to park.............they have no choice it's taken out of there wages, but that there are not enough car parking spaces for the staff.

So in effect the staff pay for the parking but don't get the parking spaces?

And if they complain, they are told they have pay the full day ticket, even though they have already paid out of there wages?

Why do they have pay for a service that cannot be provided?
It happens because the staff let it happen. They/their Union must have at some point made an agreement to let parking fees be taken from their wage packet.

It stinks to high heaven that they do have to pay parking fees, that’s my opinion.

As for not being enough spaces…..dunno bout that one. What comes first, the patients or the medics, it’s a chicken and egg thing. Without one the other is redundant. Perhaps they should do their job better, less need for visitors (basic hygiene seems to be an issue within the NHS at the moment)

garinda 14-06-2008 23:38
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 592950)
It happens because the staff let it happen. They/their Union must have at some point made an agreement to let parking fees be taken from their wage packet.

It stinks to high heaven that they do have to pay parking fees, that’s my opinion.

As for not being enough spaces…..dunno bout that one. What comes first, the patients or the medics, it’s a chicken and egg thing. Without one the other is redundant. Perhaps they should do their job better, less need for visitors (basic hygiene seems to be an issue within the NHS at the moment)
...I wonder who made the unions of these essential health care workers are so weak.:rolleyes:

cashman 14-06-2008 23:41
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 592371)
Thats across the whole trust though isnt it jaysay?

In this weeks Rossendale Free Press they have broken down the charges they've also added in Fairfield and Rochdales as people from rossendale go to both of them as well as burnley and blackburn.

According to the Free press in the last 12 months car parking charges netted Burnley General Hospital £252,000, The Royal Blackburn Hospital £85,425, Fairfield Bury £266,896, Rochdale infirmary £112,524. The staff car parking charges Royal Blackburn £168,862, Burnley £84,000, Fairfield £142,102, Rochdale £112,062.

The telegraph hasnt broken it down to each hospital - just took it all together.
dont really matter to me wether charges have been broken down or not, simple fact is - shouldn't be charges its disgraceful.:(

Bonnyboy 14-06-2008 23:50
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 592951)
...I wonder who made the unions of these essential health care workers are so weak.:rolleyes:
You and me both, as well as everyone else, knows exactly who weakened their Union to such an extent :(

jaysay 15-06-2008 09:29
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 592947)
You were morally wrong to sit a parking space designated for a disabled driver, while your able bodied driver went about your business.

We all agree that, except for yourself.

Our thoughts are with the poor disabled person who was denied the place you took, and may have struggled because of your selfishness.:(
I have just picked up on this Rindi and don't actually know what the argument is about, but I can ony speak as a blue badge owner myself. Under rules of use, it states that a badge cannot be used if the badge holder is in the car. Personallly I only use my badge when absolutely necessary, when ever I visit the Royal Blackburn by car I usally pay because its so much trouble claming it back I just said sod it after the first attempt, but I still say payment for patients, visitors or staff is a tax on the sick and is an abomination

jambutty 15-06-2008 11:42
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 592993)
I have just picked up on this Rindi and don't actually know what the argument is about, but I can ony speak as a blue badge owner myself. Under rules of use, it states that a badge cannot be used if the badge holder is in the car. Personallly I only use my badge when absolutely necessary, when ever I visit the Royal Blackburn by car I usally pay because its so much trouble claming it back I just said sod it after the first attempt, but I still say payment for patients, visitors or staff is a tax on the sick and is an abomination
I think what you mean is “that a badge cannot be used if the badge holder is NOT in the car”.

In a different thread about Blue Badges and Disabled Parking I stated that ON ONE occasion I took my grandson with me to buy a few bags of potting compost. I parked in a disabled bay, gave my grandson the money and he went to buy the goods whilst I waited in the car. My attendance in the store would have been totally useless, seeing as there was no way that I could lift any of the bags or even push the laden trolley so I opted to stay in the car and have a fag.

I should add that I am also a Blue Badge holder and have been ever since the badge was orange.

On another occasion my son was with me when I went shopping at Asda. I parked in a disabled bay but found that I was unable to walk around the store so my son did the shopping for me whilst I sat in my car. As happens sometimes, my left leg had gone completely numb and I couldn’t stand up let alone walk. I drive an automatic so my left leg is redundant when driving.

You would think that I had committed the greatest atrocity of all time by the reaction of the “holier than thou obnoxious twerps who have never done anything wrong in their childish lives or taken an unfair advantage over their fellow humans”.

Just like a woman, who can detail precisely what a man has said and when he said it from dozens of years ago, garinda just cannot help but show what a really nasty piece of work it is by doing just that on every opportunity. There were others but apart from it and one or two others they have let bygones be bygones.

That’s what it is all about.

Now if someone complains about this thread being dragged off topic that accusation lies squarely at garinda’s door, not mine. I didn’t bring the point up.

keetah992000 15-06-2008 11:59
Re: Hospital parking
 
If the badge cannot be used unless the badge holder is in the car, then why have disabled spots right next to the stores - surely it wouldnt matter where they are
the badge holder can leave the car and dont have to be in it which is why they are supplied with a blue badge AND one of those time cards to say what time you parked up

jambutty 15-06-2008 13:40
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by keetah992000 (Post 593014)
If the badge cannot be used unless the badge holder is in the car, then why have disabled spots right next to the stores - surely it wouldnt matter where they are
the badge holder can leave the car and dont have to be in it which is why they are supplied with a blue badge AND one of those time cards to say what time you parked up
The badge holder only has to be in the car when it is being parked in a disabled bay. Obviously s/he has to get out to do the shopping etc.

In theory the Blue Badge is awarded to people who have walking difficulties and that is why disabled bays are placed near to the entrances of supermarkets etc.

The interpretation of walking difficulties seems to be pretty wide. As I understand it, if a person cannot walk more than a few yards unaided or suffers pain in doing so they are eligible to receive a Blue Badge. As far as I now the disability has to be permanent so someone with either one or two broken legs or some other injury that prevents them from walking will not qualify. However people with mental disabilities could qualify, as would a blind person.

derekgas 15-06-2008 16:17
Re: Hospital parking
 
The disabled badge scheme is badly misused I feel, I for one am fed up with seeing badge holders running into the supermarket when it is raining, if they are running, they obviously have no trouble walking and probably not blind, just abusing the system.

Lilly 15-06-2008 16:40
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 593055)
The disabled badge scheme is badly misused I feel, I for one am fed up with seeing badge holders running into the supermarket when it is raining, if they are running, they obviously have no trouble walking and probably not blind, just abusing the system.
To be fair, the blue badges are allocated to people with many varying conditions. Just because you've seen someone running on occasion does not necessarily mean that they are not entitled to their badge. They could have a condition that is not immediately obvious or one which gives them good days and bad days.

Garinda, hope you don't mind my asking but just wondering.....you have mentioned before that you have Parkinson's disease.

Does this entitle you to a blue badge? :confused:

The only reason I am bringing this up is to illustrate a point in that it is a condition with good days and bad days and was wondering if you are entitled to a blue badge if you have Parkinson's.

steeljack 15-06-2008 16:56
Re: Hospital parking
 
back to original topic , what surprises me if I remember correctly Queens Park Hospital (Blackburn Royal) is/was up in the middle of nowhere , how anyone can say there is no room for an adequate sized car park is beyond me
thanks

BERNADETTE 15-06-2008 17:53
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 593081)
back to original topic , what surprises me if I remember correctly Queens Park Hospital (Blackburn Royal) is/was up in the middle of nowhere , how anyone can say there is no room for an adequate sized car park is beyond me
thanks
Quite a lot of new building has gone on in the area and if you saw the size of the hospital you would understand the parking problems

jambutty 15-06-2008 18:22
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 593055)
The disabled badge scheme is badly misused I feel, I for one am fed up with seeing badge holders running into the supermarket when it is raining, if they are running, they obviously have no trouble walking and probably not blind, just abusing the system.
I read the other day somewhere, Ceefax I think it was, that you can get over £1,000 for a Blue Badge in the big cities. If congestion charges become the norm in major cities that price will go up. It also stated that there were thousands of Blue Badges around that belonged to a now deceased person plus some very good forgeries.

keetah992000 15-06-2008 18:34
Re: Hospital parking
 
My sister works at royal- she pays for childcare and with parking fees on top she just doesnt think it is worth going to work - most days she misses reserved parking for staff because there really isnt that many spaces
so its full wack each day !

steve 15-06-2008 19:09
Re: Hospital parking
 
It should be free for working staff

keetah992000 15-06-2008 19:15
Re: Hospital parking
 
it should be - but its not
i think she said its 70p per day - but if they are not early enough to get a spot then its full wack
and its hard to be early enough when you have to drop your child at nursery - it just doesnt open early enough poor devils x

BERNADETTE 05-07-2008 22:16
Re: Hospital parking
 
Surprised nobody has mentioned the story in the Telegraph wher staff are being fined for not displaying their parking permits clearly. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that they have to pay in the first place but when they are in designated staff car parks it is obvious that they have a pass. Now they have been fined £65 which is taken out of their wages. What the hell is going on here???:mad:

Bonnyboy 05-07-2008 22:33
Re: Hospital parking
 
Had not heard of the story Bernie. I don’t buy the paper, found the link tho 'Daylight robbery' of Blackburn nurses

That is just wrong, it’s so wrong. It’s the persons wage for that particular day gone.

Are the Parking Wardens going around with cameras collecting evidence. They must be I suppose or else it would be their word against the member of staff.

Plainly wrong, I can’t think of any other way to describe it.

Royboy39 05-07-2008 22:37
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 592648)
Just because you've been reminded of something you did that the rest of us thought morally wrong, there's no need to get all defensive.
Who are the rest of us? Has there been a ballot or referendum?
I am of the opinion that if you believe you are right, you expect other members to believe you are right....funny situation.

My daughter is a nurse at RBH and I think it is disgusting that these parking charges are in force.

AccyAlec 05-07-2008 22:42
Re: Hospital parking
 
Well i cant afford to park their then when i start at Blackburn Hospital in september!!!
£3.80 for the whole day! (i wont mind as much if it was the £1.80!)

As a student having petrol in my car is hard enough never mind that Ridicilous charge to park my car!! -THAT IS £18 A WEEK!!

Bonnyboy 05-07-2008 22:51
Re: Hospital parking
 
I would mind paying irrespective of the amount. Some git is making a living off the back of others being in pain , misery or just trying to do their job.

£3.80 or £1.80 isn’t the point ( I don’t work there though, easy for me to say I know ) it’s the principal.

There should be no parking fees in my opinion.

BERNADETTE 05-07-2008 22:57
Re: Hospital parking
 
Whether they have photos or not matters not a jot as far as I am concerned. Surely in this day and age a quick check of the registration would tell them whos car it was. I just think it is scandalous, yes I know it says they can appeal but it shouldn't be happening!!!

AccyAlec 05-07-2008 22:59
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 602663)
I would mind paying irrespective of the amount. Some git is making a living off the back of others being in pain , misery or just trying to do their job.

£3.80 or £1.80 isn’t the point ( I don’t work there though, easy for me to say I know ) it’s the principal.

There should be no parking fees in my opinion.
Dont get me wrong i think they should be NO charge too.
Im just woundering what road tax is for when you still have to pay to park!!!!

Bonnyboy 05-07-2008 23:02
Re: Hospital parking
 
Too right it shouldn’t be happening Bernie. The management have all the info they need regarding staff vehicles. I was just wondering who the super efficient wardens went to with their proof that there was a failure to display. Proof being the operative word.

BERNADETTE 05-07-2008 23:08
Re: Hospital parking
 
Thanks for the link Bonnyboy, as for the proof I am as wise as you but it really gets my goat things like this!!

Bonnyboy 05-07-2008 23:11
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AccyAlec (Post 602668)
Dont get me wrong i think they should be NO charge too.
Im just woundering what road tax is for when you still have to pay to park!!!!
Don’t think the Road Rax covers Private land which I assume the Health Authority claim it is. I do take your point though, It’s just pay pay pay.

Christ even when you do pay, the vehicle is left “At your own risk”

AccyAlec 06-07-2008 01:29
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 602676)
Don’t think the Road Rax covers Private land which I assume the Health Authority claim it is. I do take your point though, It’s just pay pay pay.

Christ even when you do pay, the vehicle is left “At your own risk”
Surly the hospital grounds are owned by the goverment... NHS is so there carparks should be... OOH WAIT i guess they could be owned by ppl like NCP
LOL a blond moment! even tho im not blond :D

jambutty 06-07-2008 09:29
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 602656)
Surprised nobody has mentioned the story in the Telegraph wher staff are being fined for not displaying their parking permits clearly. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that they have to pay in the first place but when they are in designated staff car parks it is obvious that they have a pass. Now they have been fined £65 which is taken out of their wages. What the hell is going on here???:mad:
Well that’s what you get when the government wastes our taxes on illegal wars, replenishing a nuclear deterrent that we cannot use without the permission of the yanks, to name just 2, and then cannot afford to build new hospitals, so turns to the biggest con of modern times the PFI.

Hospital staff should not be charged for parking and there should be adequate space for them to do so. And if the staff car park is full, the staff should be able to park in the visitor’s car park without a charge.

In fact there should be no parking fee for attending a hospital whether as a patient, visitor or staff.

jaysay 06-07-2008 10:02
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602836)
Well that’s what you get when the government wastes our taxes on illegal wars, replenishing a nuclear deterrent that we cannot use without the permission of the yanks, to name just 2, and then cannot afford to build new hospitals, so turns to the biggest con of modern times the PFI.

Hospital staff should not be charged for parking and there should be adequate space for them to do so. And if the staff car park is full, the staff should be able to park in the visitor’s car park without a charge.

In fact there should be no parking fee for attending a hospital whether as a patient, visitor or staff.
Spot on JB, as I've said before its a tax on the sick, but only the English sick that is, its a time we got back to all for one and one for all, this different rules for different areas is a total nonsense, just like the drugs post code, mind you that will be put right by the 4th NHS shake up in 11 years, so I'm not holding my breathe:(

jambutty 06-07-2008 11:57
Re: Hospital parking
 
This PFI business in building new hospitals, school etc is nothing more than a sneaky way of siphoning taxpayers’ money into the private pocket.

And now the government is promoting Policlinics. Are they going to be yet another PFI initiative?

Maybe Policlinics should be a thread on its own?

jambutty 29-07-2008 13:35
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 592376)
Do you get out of your car?

I thought you just sat there in a disabled parking bay, while your able bodied passenger did your errands?
I’ve just renewed my Blue Badge and it arrived today complete with a rather snazzy booklet.

Under “Who can use your badge?” it clearly states:
“Do not allow other people to use your badge to do something on your behalf such as shopping or collecting something for you, unless you are travelling with them.”

Garinda you were one of a number of people who continually made snide remarks about me when my grandson went into a store to buy something on my behalf whilst I sat in my car.

I did nothing wrong so up yours jerk!

garinda 29-07-2008 16:07
Re: Hospital parking
 
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 612282)
I’ve just renewed my Blue Badge and it arrived today complete with a rather snazzy booklet.

Under “Who can use your badge?” it clearly states:
“Do not allow other people to use your badge to do something on your behalf such as shopping or collecting something for you, unless you are travelling with them.”

Garinda you were one of a number of people who continually made snide remarks about me when my grandson went into a store to buy something on my behalf whilst I sat in my car.

I did nothing wrong so up yours jerk!
My, my.

What a temper!

Is that your little feet I hear stamping?

If you took the time to read back what was actually posted, you'll notice myself, and others, never said you were doing anything illegal.

Comment was passed that by you sitting in your car in a designated disabled space, whilst your able bodied passenger went about your business, that this was morally wrong.

I still think this selfish use of your parking badge is morally wrong.

Your selfish actions might mean a disabled person, who was trying to do their own errands, could be prevented from doing so.

Whichever way you wish to dress up what you did, to me it is morally reprehensible, and shows scant regard for other people's needs.

garinda 29-07-2008 16:16
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 612282)
I did nothing wrong so up yours jerk!
I do so pity those poor souls, who through possession of a poor vocabulary, need to resort to abuse...which by the way is against forum rules.;)

Out with anger, in with love.:)

jaysay 29-07-2008 16:27
Re: Hospital parking
 
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 612315)
My, my.

What a temper!

Is that your little feet I hear stamping?

If you took the time to read back what was actually posted, you'll notice myself, and others, never said you were doing anything illegal.

Comment was passed that by you sitting in your car in a designated disabled space, whilst your able bodied passenger went about your business, that this was morally wrong.

I still think this selfish use of your parking badge is morally wrong.

Your selfish actions might mean a disabled person, who was trying to do their own errands, could be prevented from doing so.

Whichever way you wish to dress up what you did, to me it is morally reprehensible, and shows scant regard for other people's needs.
Well Rindi I've had blue badge long enough to rememer when they were orange, and to me the rules must have changed, I was and for that matter still am, of the opinion that to park in a disabled space the badge holder must not be in the care, otherwise why bother with a badge in the first place, its meant to allow disabled people access to shops and other buildngs not sit there whilst some one able bodied gets out and does the errands or tasks on behalf of the badge older, to me thats just a nonsense

Neil 29-07-2008 17:21
Re: Hospital parking
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 612330)
its meant to allow disabled people access to shops and other buildngs not sit there whilst some one able bodied gets out and does the errands or tasks on behalf of the badge older, to me thats just a nonsense
I agree with you but he wont. It may be legal but it does not make it right.

Benipete 29-07-2008 20:13
Re: Hospital parking
 
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 612366)
I agree with you but he wont. It may be legal but it does not make it right.
Well if it's legal it must be right,these are the rules we live by.:confused: I never got a parking ticket till I got a blue badge,I've had two now. both of which were repealed(smart arsed traffic wardens):tongueout

MargaretR 29-07-2008 22:48
Re: Hospital parking
 
I went last week for an xray and used the car park.
I could walk in without an appointment so had decided that if there were traffic jams on the way, or the car park was full, I could turn back and go another time.

There were spaces and no jams, so I parked.
I was back out in under an hour - cost £1.80.

My problem arose when I tried to find the way out.
I saw a set of barriers and made my way towards them only to find that they were only a way in.

After a 3 point turn I found that I had to negotiate the whole car park area, proceed in the opposite direction to the road markings, cross some empty parking spaces before I found the exit barriers.

Has anyone else had this problem or am I getting senile? :D

Neil 29-07-2008 23:03
Re: Hospital parking
 
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 612457)
Well if it's legal it must be right
Not at all, lots of things are legal that many don't think are right.

cashman 29-07-2008 23:31
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 612457)
Well if it's legal it must be right,
disagree Blazeys legal n yer saying shes right?:D

Benipete 29-07-2008 23:38
Re: Hospital parking
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 612561)
disagree Blazeys legal n yer saying shes right?:D
More chance of me swimming the Channel under water doing the back stroke than????:hehetable Fill in the blanks yourself.:D

jaysay 30-07-2008 10:43
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 612548)
Not at all, lots of things are legal that many don't think are right.
Must agree Neil, but I'm still having a problem with the disabled drive sitting in the car whilst an able bodied passenger does the shopping or what ever, it just flies against what the blue badge parking system is all about. That is why they now have a photo on them and it must be displayed. The system is about disabled people being able to park closer to an enterance, not allowing them just to take up a space whilst the passenger gets out to take care of buisness. A disabled driver is not just a taxi service for an able bodied person, if thats the case here are taxi ranks in most town centre so the able bodied should use them

jambutty 30-07-2008 12:01
Re: Hospital parking
 
Of course all those claiming the moral high ground are as clean as the driven snow and have NEVER done anything morally wrong. They are all saints! Yeh! Right! Get real!

All they were interesting is getting in a bit of “jambutty” bashing because I had the honesty to state that on one occasion I took my grandson with me to carry a heavy bag of seed compost to my car. My presence in the store was totally surplus to requirements and it would have meant that I would have to make a very uncomfortable foray through the store to pay for the product. Why should I put myself in a situation of pain to satisfy the moral bigots on this forum? I broke no rule and didn’t even bend one.

I too have had the Disabled Parking Badge since it was orange jaysay and the rules have not changed on the currently discussed point. The badge holder has always had to be in the car to qualify for the parking privileges. There is and never has been anything to say that the badge holder has to get out of the car.

A friend of mine, who can only get around in a wheelchair, always takes an able bodied person with him when he goes shopping. I suppose that you lot would have him have his wheelchair deployed from the car, struggle into it, just to buy a couple of things to satisfy your pseudo moral stance? This, of course, would also occupy the disabled bay for longer.

If you holier than thou bigots want to have a go at Blue Badge holders then target those who lend their badge to perfectly able bodied people. Don’t forget those who just use disabled parking bays without displaying a Blue Badge and then when challenged hurl out loads of abuse or come out with either “I’ve left it at home” or “I’ll only be a minute”.

jambutty 30-07-2008 12:11
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 612647)
Must agree Neil, but I'm still having a problem with the disabled drive sitting in the car whilst an able bodied passenger does the shopping or what ever, it just flies against what the blue badge parking system is all about. That is why they now have a photo on them and it must be displayed. The system is about disabled people being able to park closer to an enterance, not allowing them just to take up a space whilst the passenger gets out to take care of buisness. A disabled driver is not just a taxi service for an able bodied person, if thats the case here are taxi ranks in most town centre so the able bodied should use them
You really need to read the Blue Badge rules jaysay.

The Blue Badge has to be displayed so that the serial number and expiry date is easily visible through the windscreen and must be accompanied by the “clock part” (except in Scotland). The photograph is on the other side of the badge and is there to establish that the person displaying the badge is the rightful owner, if asked to by certain officials, like a traffic warden, policeman/woman/community police person or car park attendant where there is free parking for badge holders.

forceten 30-07-2008 15:10
Re: Hospital parking
 
What I don't understand is this. If you are taking an able bodied person with you to do the shopping, and the badge holder doesn't get out of the car, then why do you need to use a disabled space? Surely if your not getting out of the car, then you don't need either to park near the entrance, or to be in a wider space to get out in you struggle or are in a wheelchair? So why not park in a normal space?

Or am I missing something here?

cashman 30-07-2008 15:18
Re: Hospital parking
 
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Originally Posted by forceten (Post 612711)
What I don't understand is this. If you are taking an able bodied person with you to do the shopping, and the badge holder doesn't get out of the car, then why do you need to use a disabled space? Surely if your not getting out of the car, then you don't need either to park near the entrance, or to be in a wider space to get out in you struggle or are in a wheelchair? So why not park in a normal space?

Or am I missing something here?
the only thing missing fer me is someone will not " Hold There Hand Up":rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: i will now probably be accused of being one of the clique or bashers.:D

jaysay 30-07-2008 16:32
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by forceten (Post 612711)
What I don't understand is this. If you are taking an able bodied person with you to do the shopping, and the badge holder doesn't get out of the car, then why do you need to use a disabled space? Surely if your not getting out of the car, then you don't need either to park near the entrance, or to be in a wider space to get out in you struggle or are in a wheelchair? So why not park in a normal space?

Or am I missing something here?
My point entirely forceten, I've held a disabled parking badge since 1985, and have always believed that this badge is for the convenience of the disabled person so as to enable them to access shops and buildings more easily by being able to park nearer to their destination, we're not talking rocket science here. If a disabled driver is going to say ASDA and parks in a space reserved for disabled drivers, then sits there whilst his/her able bodied passenger gets out and does the shopping, it's to say the least, bloody stupid and nobody is going to tell me any different. It is very rare I use my badge as I don't drive now, but I'm still entitled to use it on a relatives care if I need to. Even so when I attend The Royal I pay because its such a bind messing about trying to claim it back, I just can't be assed.:(

forceten 30-07-2008 16:35
Re: Hospital parking
 
Jaysay you don't have to get a ticket if you have a disabled badge at the Royal Blackburn. If you go to the main carpark next to the main entrance, there are loads of disabled bays, and there is no barrier there either. As long as you display a valid blue badge, then you don't need a ticket.

jaysay 30-07-2008 16:36
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 612714)
the only thing missing fer me is someone will not " Hold There Hand Up":rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: i will now probably be accused of being one of the clique or bashers.:D
Well I ain't cashy and thats for sure, its not about that my mate its about common sense, pure and simple, anyway didn't know there were cliques orbashers on here anyway:D:rolleyes:

jaysay 30-07-2008 16:40
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by forceten (Post 612731)
Jaysay you don't have to get a ticket if you have a disabled badge at the Royal Blackburn. If you go to the main carpark next to the main entrance, there are loads of disabled bays, and there is no barrier there either. As long as you display a valid blue badge, then you don't need a ticket.
Thanks or that forceten, but I don't think that it was always like that. The first time I had an appiontment there after it opened you had to claim it back from the desk in the main entry hall, so I haven't tried since.

cashman 30-07-2008 16:43
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 612733)
Well I ain't cashy and thats for sure, its not about that my mate its about common sense, pure and simple, anyway didn't know there were cliques orbashers on here anyway:D:rolleyes:
there aint,only in some folks minds.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

forceten 30-07-2008 16:45
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 612737)
Thanks or that forceten, but I don't think that it was always like that. The first time I had an appiontment there after it opened you had to claim it back from the desk in the main entry hall, so I haven't tried since.

No problem. I think it was like that at the beginning but then they realised how difficult it was it was for people. There's no harm in going to have a look next time you are there...............if there are no spaces then you can park on the main carpark like you do now

jaysay 30-07-2008 17:08
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 612739)
there aint,only in some folks minds.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:
Oh I see cashy I see:D:rolleyes:

garinda 30-07-2008 17:16
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by forceten (Post 612711)
What I don't understand is this. If you are taking an able bodied person with you to do the shopping, and the badge holder doesn't get out of the car, then why do you need to use a disabled space?
You don't.

That person is selfish and anti-social, and may be preventing another disabled person using that space, and going about their business.

I'd also think it morally wrong if a family parked in a parent/child space, and only one parent left the car. It's the same principle. Those spaces are meant for the disabled/parents with a child, to actually leave their cars.

I think as far as Jambutty is concerned it's a matter of I'm alright Jack, and sod all the other poor beggars.:mad:

garinda 30-07-2008 17:30
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 612676)
Of course all those claiming the moral high ground are as clean as the driven snow and have NEVER done anything morally wrong. They are all saints! Yeh! Right! Get real!
Happily we still live in a country where the majority of people not only play by the rules, but play fairly.

When your number's up, be it Heaven or Hell, I hope all the designated spaces are filled by people as selfish as you.;)

jaysay 30-07-2008 17:43
Re: Hospital parking
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 612753)
You don't.

That person is selfish and anti-social, and may be preventing another disabled person using that space, and going about their business.

I'd also think it morally wrong if a family parked in a parent/child space, and only one parent left the car. It's the same principle. Those spaces are meant for the disabled/parents with a child, to actually leave their cars.

I think as far as Jambutty is concerned it's a matter of I'm alright Jack, and sod all the other poor beggars.:mad:
Well Rindi, on this topic you've got my 100% backing, its just foreign to me to use these badges in that way, I can't even see the reason for having one in that case because its just daft and is not benefitting the disabled driver at all, just inconveniencing others who do need to use these space.


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