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just read this article on the Daily Telegraph web site about a Sikh police officer who has had problems finding suitable 'haz-mat' saftey equipment (beard and turban)...after 18 months and £100,000s being spent the officer is now on disabilty leave due to stress (guess his/her feelings have been upset)

My question .........why did no one in the Police Force think to send a e-mail to either the Police in Bombay /Delhi/Karachi to ask how they deal with such problems ? or even easier , contact one of the oil companies who operate refineries in that part of the world and ask their health and saftey department how they deal with the problem ....just curious

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...er-turban.html

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I think I would be a bit annoyed if I was employed by a company that couldn't provide me with the relevant safety gear.

Why would you give somebody a job who you couldn't accommodate? Oh yes, equal rights and avoiding discrimination.

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Oh, Blazey, Blazey ........the innocence of youth .......see you have Lord Denning as your new avatar and yet you plead for equal rights for all ......this is the guy who said he thought Blacks were unfit to sit on juries ( look up the Bristol case)......God, I wish i could go back to the days when I was so young, naive and innocent :D :D

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I was actually being sarcastic about equal rights, I don't believe it works at all. Really annoys my liberal friends but it has to be said.

I wrote an essay in the first term saying women should expect to be held back in their careers and in some situations demoted from their positions if their employer believes they can't balance both responsibilities. My feminist tutor decided to give it to another tutor to mark it :D got a good mark in it too for my first essay!

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Some how I managed to miss out part of my sentence there. I meant to say women 'starting families'...

there we go...

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Nice to see our caring Police are concerned about their officers... Hummmm
It would have been easier and fairer, whilst during the interview and selection program for the Police Force to make sure that everyone will be able to use all standard equipment, if not goodbye.

Slightly off topic, I know but, British Airways will not employ you as a Pilot if you are over 1.91 Meters (6 foot 3 inches) as you will not fit inside the flight deck.

What would happen, if in the field of combat his gear gets destroyed, he won't be able just to grab another suit.

Gas masks and Oxygen masks, (the sort we use) are not recommended for people who have beards, because of the lack of a tight fit.

I am sorry but this officer could have become a casualty in the event of an emergency and therefore would not be able to carry out his duties. So transfer him or make him redundant.

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The royal navy has similar policies with pilots, and I'm guessing the other types of forces using planes use similar limitations.

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Spot on their mate. If the Officer in question cannot use the special equipment then he can't do the job. I have never seen a face mask you can use with a beard yet. Anyone wearing one with a beard is not being correctly protected. I have had the same issue at work with a bloke with a beard.

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well why did he become a copper in the first place? surely he would have learnt on his training that they didnt have suitable protection for him.....the daft get

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Hear hear, Flashy. :)

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those damned sikhs!!

at least with muslims they only ask for a compass so they know which way to face as they die...

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My view is that all times the best person should get the job, and actually banging on about equality and non descrimination is one of the surest ways to bring it about. Left to it, normal employers want the best person for their job regardless of race,sex,disability etc.

However I also think that there is a feeling in this country that "I am owed a job", rather than getting off your bum and working hard to find one and sticking too it. What happens is people refuse to make any compromise expecting the company to bend over backwards to accomodate them. Guess what...you work for them not the other way around. The company does not exist to give you a job. However in my experience if you work hard its rewarded, sometimes making some adjustments and the company too and everyone gets what they want. So in this case, my opinion the chap had the option of quitting, shaving the beard and not wearing the turban, taking a different job in the police force, or as mentioned finding out what everyone else did

£100,000 :-0 So how many hip replacements, innoculation, school books, overtime hours for police is that ?

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lol dont start ;)

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This is what I said in my essay in the first term :D

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I agree with everything that you stated except for “The company does not exist to give you a job.”

The company exists to provide a service or a product and to make some money for the owner and the government. Usually a lot more than the workers get. In order to achieve the aims, workers are needed.

A company could not exist without the workers but the workers could exist without a specific company and go and work for someone else.

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Not necessarily. I agree that most businesses are there to make money, so if we remove the small % that arent (ie charities) we can take that as a basic premise. However most businesses start out as single people or groups finding ways to make money to provide for themselves and their families and grow from that, until today the big businesses are there to generally make money for shareholders rather than a single person

Returning to the premise that most companies start from small groups of people, these take on employees for two main reasons : To do tasks either they cant do or dont want to do. Yes the owner at this stage would expect to make more money for himself than the persons he employs, but fortunately in this country if the worker believes he can make more elsewhere or by doing it for himself he is free to do that.

When an employer takes on a person to do a role they inform the person what they want them to do, and their remuneration for same. What I see happening however is that some people expect the money, but dont believe they have to do the work. They dont appreciate that the business is in the business of making money and that they have a part to play, regardless of their feelings on how much money the boss makes. They were offered a job to do certain tasks, and if they accept it to my mind they should do it.If they dont like it there are options open to them.

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Banjoman spot on.
Its the chicken and egg, without an employer no need for staff, no staff no employer.

My father set up business in 1977, just him and his business partner. I was 8 at the time. So they soon needed to employ and by the early 1980's were quite large, employing over 50 staff. He would go out to work in his BMW 735i at 6am and return at 9 or 10pm weeknights.
Weekends if we were lucky he would have Saturday off which was not often.
Then of course were the business trips abroad, to sell product. His product that he and his partner invented, not the staff.
Better yet the staff started at 9am and finished at 5pm, on Friday they went home at 3pm. Of course they worked hard, but did they work any harder, did their children miss their father every night? No.
Did they resent him for having a nice car, etc... you bet. So in the mid 80's he downsized, had to or go under. Spent several years, yet again away from his family. Now he employs 5 people and has everything outsourced. Has time for his family and why not.

There is a serious problem in the UK with the us and them syndrome. A man or woman sees a opportunity to make money then good for them, whats wrong in that and if you can give someone a job as well then great, nobody owes you a job.
If you work for someone and don't like what your conditions are, then do something about it. It is not rocket science.
To start a business take guts, lots of it and so what if said person whats lots of money, it's their business after all, they own it.

We don't, thank goodness, live in a socialist state, if you want a better standard of life then do something about it, night school for example, or what I did and am still doing, downsize your home, go the bank and pay to retrain, flight training is not subsidized in anyway and this has cost me lots so far. The reward however is very good and so it should be.