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Difficult one to answer especially after reading that report, one girl was found to be pregnant three times and offered the option of abortion(that has got to be a good thing in one still of school age). I find it frightening that kids are having sex so young but figures like that terrify me. It just seems to me that all the sex education in the world is not going to solve the problem of teenage pregnancy. Why is it so rife nowadays?? Are these kids looking for something to love?? Maybe they don't get any love at home but surely that can't be true for all the teenagers who fall pregnant!!!

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perhaps they should concentrate more on getting the kids in the schools first.:rolleyes:

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[qoute] Bonnyboy Kids will do what they have always done, cant stop them experimenting. I do think Clinics within school that are prepared to set up abortions, possibly without informing the parents, is a step too far.[/quote] But would the parents knowing help in any way?? In this day and age you would think that parents could discuss sex and birth control openly with their kids. The lads should be held just as responsible IMHO

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I think it is a good idea. Kids can go to sexual health clinics anyway so what difference does it make if its inside the school? At least they'll be getting the right information.

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Have any of you seen the really life like dolls that some young girls desperate to have a baby are given? They are very much like a real baby in the sense that thay are programmed to cry at certain times as a real baby does. The young girl in charge of them has to work out why it is crying, does it need feeding, changing, winding?? They are supposed to simulate a real baby and in programmes I have seen seem to do the trick by putting the girls off the idea of having a "real baby"

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In the event of any sexual activity of course the lad shares the responsibility.

I'm just wondering if it is a concern that anyone on the forum might have if their daughter or son could be getting some serious medical treatment at school without their knowledge.

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They could just go to Brook in blackburn or the clinic in accy if they needed to and the parent isn't informed, so what difference will this make exactly?

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Don't view it as a game myself view it as sad that things like this need to be invented to put kids off getting pregnant. In fact saw a young girl down town with one this morning thought she had a real baby in her arms.

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Those dolls are stupid. What if a girl realises she'd like a baby after looking after one? Could do just as much harm as good in my eyes.

More realistic to shove pictures of STD's in front of them or an AID's victim so they get the shock effect and use contraception or avoid sex completely.

Maybe we could encourage abstonance, make it cool!

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I went to a health clinic when I was younger and they just encouraged me to tell my mum about it, but that was the end of it. I wasn't there for anything serious, but it would have been available to me if I had wanted it. I see loads of young girls in the waiting room of Brook when I go in, many in their school uniforms. Good on them for at least being responsible.

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Abstinence T shirts - (saw some on the web) - it it is fine for me now but I don't think I could have coped with it a few years back :D

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All this sex education seems to be encouraging pregnancy in young girls rather than discouraging it. Thinking back to when we were younger you would see an odd teenage pregnancy but now it seems to be out of control.

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I think you are wrong about it being the sex education that is the problem. I think it is the fact that parents aren't caring as much what their children are upto.

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Hells Bells Margaret, was that your sex education...buy a T Shirt...which school did you attend...Holy Family :D

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Sorry but kids are being taught about sex education far to young, they don't seem to have a childhood anymore. Will grant you that some parents don't care what their children are up to. But for goodness sake teenage pregnancy is out of control and it can't all be blamed on the parents.

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i have a 15 year old daughter who is pregnant and i would have been devasted if the school had found out first, fortunately for me lisa and my younger daughter went to the doctors,and lisa came and told me i obviously stand by my daughter,would have been devasted if she had an abortion and i didnt know about it, it is a big concern

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So you would encourage sex education in the classroom?
Sex education in the Army at age seventeen upwards concentrated on the danger of sexually transmitted diseases and the implications therefrom.
I would certainly encourage sex education from a very early age....I dont think it's wrong to tell, or instruct and educate young people of the pitfalls.
A young girl falling pregnant at thirteen or fourteen is a disaster to the young lady herself and to all connected.

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how would you know blazey do you have teenagers, and stay with them 24/7

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Bernie you have hit the nail on the head............Flipancy makes the world go round ;)

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But instructing them from an early age does not appear to be helping, I am all for education if it works but sex education is having the opposite effect

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I know a lot of teenagers who lost their virginities young and many who have had children early.

Obviously it isn't the case in all situations, but parents are much more lenient about letting their daughters go near boys. I am one myself, I think I would now how the modern teenage girl thinks.

I also don't think it is necessarily a bad thing if young girls get pregnant. My mum had me at 16 and I think she did an excellent job, and all the young girls I know with babies from school are brilliant mums. I see nothing wrong with it, but I don't think its sex education that is the cause of a rise in teenage pregnancies.

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Oh Dear................where do we go from here?

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Good on you for being behind your daughter, my daughter was a young mother(nineteen the same age as I was when she was born). Unfortunately not all parents are as supportive so if a clinic like this will help it serves its purpose. What I find really sad is the bit in the report about the young girl getting pregnant three times and using the clinic, how can any parent live with the fact that on three occassions their daughter could not come to them with their problems???

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Young mothers can be good mothers, so why must we see it as a problem all the time? There have been some amazing programmes on the BBC about them and how they are just as good as any other mother.

In some cultures they expect you to get pregnant young!

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well you being a teenage girl yourself will know that if teenagers are going to have sex then they will find a way/place.you will also know that they dont take kindly to having there parents following them everywhere in your earlier post you seem to imply that it is the parents of these teenagers that are at fault.

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No not at fault, it is just that things have changed. Parenting is much more laid back these days, idea of letting children make their own mistakes otherwise they wont learn and that type of thing. Not wrapping children in cotton wool.

I think children should be independent, and the fact that the government are allowing these clinics is a way of parents being able to let their children do that in the safest ways possible.

I know very few people who have been wrapped in cotton wool by their parents, but it is them who have ended up the most naive and gotten into worse situations because of it, so I don't think that at all.

I hope your daughter enjoys her pregnancy like any other mum to be, and it's brilliant that you are supporting her through it. The fact that she is keeping her baby to me shows maturity and strength, and it is commendable.

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If you got pregnant now at 19 years old, how would that affect your chances of being of being Learn'ed council?
Defend what you have got not the cultures of some bygone age.

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It would effect them drastically, but I would have to accept that responsibility. I'm pro-life so I would struggle to go through with an abortion, and would probably make me depressed again if I managed to go through with it.

I know some excellent teen mums though, my mum is an example of one, so how could I ever say it is a bad thing? That would be shaming all the hard work my mum has put into making me the person that I am, and I could never do that.

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The more I read of Blazey's posts I wonder where in the hell is that coming from?

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thankyou for that blazey,she has taken to pregnancy very well and is keeping up her studies for her GCSE's and college.i hope she does very well the baby will not stop her getting where she wants to go in life

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Top Marks for that.

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All the girls I know who have got pregnant from school are at college or careers, there is so much support for them now that most doors stay open in regards to careers.

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which is worse?
Teenagers having sex, picking something up and going to the sexual health clinic without their parents knowing or.... teenagers having sex, picking something up and not going to the clinic because their parents will find out...

Some std's can affect a person for life if they are not treated.

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Brilliantly put.

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I was at school when we were taught sex education at age 11, at that point most of the kids didnt have much of a clue, after the lesson intrigue set in and kids were experimenting, so in my eyes it was a bad thing, when a young couple are unfortunate enough to be expectant, the lad usually carries on regardless, goes to work, maybe get a career, the girl is left holding the baby, no further education, no job and no prospect other than looking after children, the clinic is a good idea, makes the best of a bad situation.

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I think sex education must have changed over the times derek if you got taught about intercourse at 11 to the degree where you would think to experiment.

When I was 11 we were taught about the biology of men and women, and briefly how sex was the way babies were produced. Scientific diagram of them going together, that's it.

Girls taught seperately to boys. Boys taught about ejaculation, condoms, girls taught about periods and condoms. Nothing associated with sex happened until high school and even then it was just touching outside of clothes.

Think most experimenting started around the age of 14, but it was because of the fact that some people where allowed house parties when their parents went away and there was alcohol present.

Taught sex ed a second time in a biology lesson at the age of 13, again it was briefly about the organs, nothing more.

This is why I blame the changing of parental attitudes and society in general. It might not be that you are feckless about what your ids are doing, but someones parents are letting their kids get away with it by allowing them to have free reign whilst they go away for the weekend or whatever. This is based on observing these things happening, not just a sociological guess. If you don't want to believe the only teenager who has replied to this thread about these observations then as far as I am concerned it just proves the point that the so-called responsible adults are just looking for something else to blame instead of facing the truth. I'm sure Emma, being not much older than me, will agree that a lot of it stems from house parties and alcohol, because I don't believe times have changed that much in the couple of years between us.

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and my own personal opinion is......


i think its an excellent idea, simple as that, if it stops std's spreading then its fine by me, kids are having sex younger and younger nowadays, if they become aware of 'what they may catch' then to me thats a positive thing....i think girls/boys give in to peer pressure at such a young age and want to try and act older, this is going to sound so stupid but does a girl at 12/13/14 actually know ALL the facts of life? does she know about aids and std's, pregnancy and abortion? i think the word nieve springs to mind with kids of this age, Reece is nearly 12 and he already knows quite a bit about 'the facts' i've already told him about condoms and why its important to use them, when it comes to it the kids arent going to say 'i'm planning on having sex tonight mum can i have some money for some condoms' now are they? i know we dont like to think like this about our kids but unfortunately its a fact, its going to happen sooner or later and i'd rather my child know about it now...than never

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The sexual health STI statistics in this country are appalling. They are consistently rising, costing the NHS (the taxpayer) a fortune and mainly affect young people between the ages of 15-25. They leave long term health problems, infertility, reactive arthritis and death to name just a few. Any service which promotes condom use, treatment and the correct sexual health advice, whether at a drop in clinic, hospital or school can only be a good thing. It may save lives.........

Most of the HIV positive people I have had dealings with are under the age of 25.

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well said Lettie

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I find it odd that school staff are not permitted to remove a splinter or administer paracetamol without a parent's prior consent but they can arrange abortions for their young charges behind their parent's backs.

Something is very wrong.

We should be doing all we can to discourage under 16s from becoming pregnant in the first place.
It's never them that has to stump up the cost, is it?
It's always their parents or the state. :(

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A good post Lilly, 'tis difficult just where to lay the responsibility.

Problem is that nature tells a girl's body as young as 12 that she is ready to conceive (although not medically the best time), but socially not acceptable. Nature laws fighting social laws. I do think that it's mostly up to parents to accept that young girls do have sexual feelings and if it means shoving a condom in their school bags along with their lunch boxes, then so be it.

The school clinic is good too, as they can seek more professional advice.

It is strange though Bernie though isn't it, that with more information available doesn't appear to improve the situation, maybe as Blazey has said 'too much cotton wool sometimes'

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It is not just our own white children/adults either Lettie. My daughter has to deal with many ethnics in our midst, and says rife there too. Please not a racial remark at all, but even strict religions they have do not work.

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It is funny you should mention other ethnic groups. At college, the majority of the more traditional muslim girls where very immature about boys and sex, and they were much more likely to spend their time around the most popular brutish muslim lads giggling! It was so very odd!

Must admit that the more westernised girls had a much more responsible approach to men, and sex and relationships in general, and are probably the most mature girls I know in all senses.

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What I thought was ironic is that it is not always the unmarried muslim girls ... mainly the married ones that have caught it off their husbands !!! Work that one out.

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I think these ideas are just stereotypes.

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Not too sure about that, here in Morocco, a Muslim Country, there are very strict views on sex. However the club at the top of my street is filled with, lady's of the night and there are very few foreigners who go in there, Casablanca is not a tourist destination. There is a very strong undercurrent of sex in this country, on the surface it is a strict Islamic society, but everywhere you go there is sex for sale. Maybe not like in Amsterdam, but it is there okay. The local men are having a whale of a time. Recently down route, in Cameroon, Off topic i know but bear with me, the Purser had a 'Girlfirend' with him the whole time, he is married. Hope he used protection, the girl even offered to be my 'girlfriend' when I next go back. No wonder HIV is riffe

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Dip your bread in pal...........Second thoughts...The only Perser I ever knew was a seaman....I would'nt follow him at any price...If he went Port I would go Starboard.

Seriously....I wonder if sleeping with a Koran under the pillow makes it acceptable?
Malaya is also a Muslim country....I would guess that 10% of the female population are 'On the game'

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Roy, no chance mate, I would rather go and play with Lions or Tigers than go there. There is a lot of Drug use down there and god knows what STD's are about. Also and more importantly I have a great Fiancée waiting for me back in Blighty

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Good on yer mate........ :theband:

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Agree with all you say Lilly, does seem that everything has been done to educate the young of the dangers of unprotected sex yet still it gets worse. The thing that frightens me most is the STD's, that just puts me in mind of multiple sexual parteners. I do realise that kids are going to experiment but with several different people at that age it is scary

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a slight wander ....but does anyone remember wax the displays "the effects of various veneral diseases" that used to be in the basement display area of Madame Tussauds (sp?) waxworks on Blackpool prom. Think it was adjacent to the Chamber of Horrors and young uns wern't really allowed in.
Madame Tussauds + Nation Geographic = sex education in the late 50s early 60s :eek: :eek: :eek:

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I only know one girl who got pregnant under 16, and she studies at college, has a job and her own rented home. Think she is doing quite well considering how difficult it must be to balance all three and put up with the pre-judgement of people who don't know her, I would probably go insane.

There are a lot of young girls getting pregnant young these days, but I think it is unfair to judge them all as one just because there are a few that get pregnant for the wrong reasons.

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Let's just hope the schools have taught their pupils to read well enough, so that they can understand any leaflets which may be available in these clinics.

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I don't think the education system is THAT bad just yet gary.

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As with everything there are good and bad points to clinics in schools. On the one hand its good that kids have someone to talk to other than their parents on the other I wouldn't like my daughter to have had an abortion without my knowledge . Kids are growing up earlier now than we did. My 10 year olds voice is breaking and he asked 'does this mean I can get a girl pregnant now?' I nearly choked but answered him and discussed the issue.