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Abu Qatada - possibly the second most wanted man inTHE WORLD has been released on bail.It gets worse.One of the conditions is that he does not meet up with Osama Bin Laden.Now if it were me one of the conditions would have been that he must have Osama round for afternoon tea.I'll hand over now because as i said in the Title I'm lost for words.:confused::confused:

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why are you so surprised , I just read a report about a couple who are wanted for murder in Pakistan and the British Govt. refuses to hand them over . I guess any Bosinian/Croat/Serb/Rawandan/Congalese/Sudanese/Iranian Ayatollah war criminal will find a free council house and benefits waiting for them anywhere in the UK courtesy of HMs Govt.
Just waiting for the day when Mugabe arrives and asks for political asylum and the British Govt. says ..."oh sorry, we cant send him back , you might abuse his civil/human rights so we have re-settled him and his cannibals in a council houses in Accrington"

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I agree, no surprise as far as I am concerned, we are too soft with our own criminals, but even softer at times with other countries criminals, what was it the government said, relentless pursuit and justice against terrorism? Mmmm, just like everything else the government has promised, codswallop!

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was gonna post that meself lastnight benipete, but fer once i too am speechless.:(

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I'd say the bloke is less dangerous than these 3;

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This somewhat makes a mockery of the 42 day rule, her we have a terrorist scumbag locked up for terrorist offences HMG will not deport him and some bleeding heart liberal judge sets him free, just what is the point. When you think about it, have young people like blazey striving to join the judiciary may not be a bad thing, someone who has been brought up in the real world, nows the values that the ordinary man in the street expects from the system. At the moment we have judges who don't live in the real world they're chauffeur driven from their ivory towers every morning to court and back home again at night and have no concept of what the man in the street feels, if we want to make a difference on law and order get rid of these law lords and replace them with people with more idea of whst life in the sticks is all about

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As I shouted at the telly when it was on the news he shouldn't be in the country never mind on bail!!

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give us a break man we cant hand them over until we have housed them , fed them and given them a car to drive around in

didnt you know that the british way is to treat a terrorist so well that he gives up his terrorist ways :mad:

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Well you do have a point accyman its the British way you know old chap, the thing is all these blokes who hate us so much all have loads of kids have never work a ay since they came here, this guy has about 6 or 7 as does Captain Hook, the only thing they do is preach hatered about our way of life, and are protected by Human Rights Laws, it stinks to high heaven

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I forgot to mention earlier that when this was being read out on the BBC news this morning it was then followed by a newsflash that 4 British soldiers had been killed in Afghanistan. So while some stupid pillock of a judge is giving him the right to his freedom, four people were killed trying to stop his sort taking away everybody else's freedom :mad::mad::mad:

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unfortunatly british law dosnt mean a damn thing , we have tried to extrodite terrorists beofre under our laws but european law over rides our laws and they get to stay

that abu hook guy is teh best example , we were all set to put his ass on a plane to america and in stepped the european court and made us keep him

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And don't forget the Human Rights lawyers like Mrs Blair who are making millions out of defending these scumbags, all on legal aid to boot

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All I'd say is think of it from his POV. Would you want to stay in a country where all the racist thugs are out there would be happy for the notoriety of being the man who killed you? If I were him I'd be on a flight out to somewhere I felt safe(OBL's side maybe).

The law might not get him but the lawless might.

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nice idea, but highly unlikely in my view, he has enough dosh to be protected, with donations n benefits.:rolleyes:

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This whole debacle rests fairly and squarely on being part of an organisation run by un-elected bureaucrats in Brussels known as the EU who regularly come up with crackpot ideas.

It is right to have Human Rights BUT those rights should be lost once a person is convicted of a crime and temporarily lost when charged with a crime. The only rights that a criminal should have are Humane Rights. Those being fed and watered, housed (in prison) afforded medical attention when required, access to a legal representative and not mistreated by being beaten or tortured.

Apparently Abu Qatada has to wear a tag and is curfewed at home for 22 hours per day. I don’t recall anything about receiving visitors and who they can be though nor is he barred from using the phone, Internet etc so he can keep in touch with whatever fifth columnists exist. So he can still preach his hatred of the UK with the blessing of the judiciary.

His release into the community will no doubt mean that the security forces will have to keep him under surveillance, thereby taking them away from seeking out new terrorists.

The art of terrorism isn’t so much about blowing up people and places, although that does have its part, it is also about keeping the security forces on the hop, so to speak.

Releasing Abu Qatada does just that.

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well said, good post jim.

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Thank you kind sir.

Thanks also for the nice Karma.

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no sweat, they can't deport me.:D

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possible to prosecute these individuals."Qatada will be subject to a 22-hour curfew - believed to be the toughest yet - and forced to wear an electronic tag, according to papers released by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac).
The eight-page bail order specifies that Qatada will be barred from associating with certain people, including Osama bin Laden and hate preacher Abu Hamza.
The list of Qatada's banned associates also includes bin Laden's deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri and Rachid Ramda, who has been convicted in France of masterminding a series of bombings in 1995.
Unusually, the document bans Qatada from attending "any mosque".
Qatada is also prevented from leading prayers, giving lectures or "providing religious instruction" to anyone except his wife and children.

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Much obliged for the detail of the bail order.

So the security forces will have a person parked at his front and back door 24/7 to make sure that he doesn’t go out when he shouldn’t and banned people do not come to visit him, won’t they?

When he does go out legitimately surely there will be a surveillance team following him, to ensure that he adheres to the bail order, won’t there?

Of course there will have to be a tap on his phone so that ties up a few more people. Will anyone coming out be searched for letters from Abu? Will they be followed? And there will have to be a team monitoring his Internet activity.

All in all I can see this bail order costing a small fortune and just as importantly tying up many operatives who could be employed on other projects.

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I believe they are taking 4 operatives off unit 4 securities crack tortoise rounding up team.

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Oh well he is wearing a tag and his mobile phone will be logged I feel so much safer knowing that. The tag can be removed and he no doubt has mobile phones that the police don't know about. We read so many people moaning about how inadequate the police are and yet it is ok to let them make sure this man doesn't break his bail conditions. I for one think he should be in prison, he is a threat to our security

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I am a bit confused....this guy has been in prison for 6 years without any charges? so why do the weeping hearts ( David Davies for example ) start crying and resign over suspects being detained for 42 day's without charge ?... the Tory party were shouting and balling about "human rights" a few day's ago.. were are they now ?

Also I don't really understand what this case has to do with the EU ?

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Just to highlight this a quote;
Abu Qatada's case makes a mockery of the 42-day detention debate. He spent six years behind bars without being charged.

Last week, in his resignation statement, the former Tory shadow home secretary David Davis rightly described the 42-day pre-charge detention period for terror suspects that parliament had just authorised as "a monstrosity of a law".

full stuff from here..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...islam.religion

Now this article may have certain political leanings, but it does point out the total farce of the Tory and Liberal opposition to the 42 day rule.

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don't worry mancie, cyfr will probably be along to explain to you.:rolleyes:

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Yeah.. trembling with the thought already !:eek:

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Once again the law is proven to be an ass.

I'd be more than happy if he was detained indefinitely, if that wouldn't be seen as too expensive. Better still deport him to Jordan.

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He's probably preparing leaflets for Mr. Davis at this very moment, saying how this case is in breach of this poor man's human rights, and he shouldn't have been held for such a terribly long time.

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Now Now... we should go to the "dairy room" to slag bods off!

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It now appears that it will cost us £500,000 a year to protect this scumbag, plus what it will cost to keep him and his brood in the lifestyle they're become accustom to, and this is a guy that hates anything british, but apparently not our money, I'd gladly chip in for a one-way ticket back to Jordon for him and his tribe:(

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Hang on .. your party opposed the detention of suspects over 28 days.. now you moan about a suspect getting released after 6 years.!