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tosh 18-06-2008 19:03
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just heard that gas and electric are expected to go up by 40% this winter.:(

panther 18-06-2008 19:08
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typical!!!!!!!!!!!looks like its coal and candles then:rolleyes:

accyman 18-06-2008 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tosh (Post 594623)
just heard that gas and electric are expected to go up by 40% this winter.:(

yeah i also heard this last night from somone trying to get me to switch to their gas provider infact he kept saying it so much he didnt hear me when i told him to P off but luckily slamming the door in somones face is a universal language :D

Margaret Pilkington 18-06-2008 19:25
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I think it will be extra strong mints and a couple of extra coats.

Bonnyboy 18-06-2008 19:51
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New PVC doors at our house, they stop the draughts well enough I don’t think they prevent heat transfer from the outside as well as a wooden door tho. So think I will be getting some curtain poles put up and some big heavy curtains for both front and back doors.

We have a fairly large bay kitchen window too, although double glazed the cold really tumbles in on a winters night. For the last few years I’ve toyed with making some hinged wooden shutters for the window. I think that plan will be getting put into action this summer.

panther 18-06-2008 19:55
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Think i might invest in the good old hot water bottle:D, and a few sleeping bags:D

Bonnyboy 18-06-2008 20:00
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Originally Posted by panther (Post 594658)
Think i might invest in the good old hot water bottle:D, and a few sleeping bags:D
Oh heck Nooooooo...Cant beat jumping into a cold crisp bed :D

Royboy39 18-06-2008 20:03
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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 594661)
Oh heck Nooooooo...Cant beat jumping into a cold crisp bed :D
Not bad for exercising the Testics....Now you see them...now you dont. :)

MargaretR 18-06-2008 20:20
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Originally Posted by panther (Post 594658)
Think i might invest in the good old hot water bottle:D, and a few sleeping bags:D
Don't get one of those microwave wheat ones - read in papers today of an old dear who died - it was smouldering and fired her bed

accyman 18-06-2008 20:53
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Originally Posted by panther (Post 594658)
Think i might invest in the good old hot water bottle:D, and a few sleeping bags:D
if you can stand the aftermath eat curries ;)

emamum 18-06-2008 20:59
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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 594670)
Don't get one of those microwave wheat ones - read in papers today of an old dear who died - it was smouldering and fired her bed
omg.. really? :eek:
Ty has one of those.. its a purple teddy one, they are supposed to be safer than hot water bottles..

MargaretR 18-06-2008 21:15
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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 594696)
omg.. really? :eek:
Ty has one of those.. its a purple teddy one, they are supposed to be safer than hot water bottles..
It overheated - she hadn't put a cup of water in the microwave with it when she warmed it

jambutty 18-06-2008 21:20
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Originally Posted by tosh (Post 594623)
just heard that gas and electric are expected to go up by 40% this winter.:(
Yes I heard that too on the wireless earlier this evening but I didn’t want to post in case someone complained that I was complaining again.

Actually wasn’t it next year rather then winter?

jambutty 18-06-2008 21:24
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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 594661)
Oh heck Nooooooo...Cant beat jumping into a cold crisp bed :D
Agreed! But only if you happen to be in the tropics at the time.

Bonnyboy 18-06-2008 21:37
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 594716)
Yes I heard that too on the wireless earlier this evening but I didn’t want to post in case someone complained that I was complaining again.

Actually wasn’t it next year rather then winter?
Unfortunately they seem to be on about a 40% increase for this years winter…possibly, could, maybe. Most likely headline grabbing, at least I hope so.

The BBC run the story like this

The TimesOnline like this

Neil 18-06-2008 23:00
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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 594655)
New PVC doors at our house, they stop the draughts well enough I don’t think they prevent heat transfer from the outside as well as a wooden door tho.
Wood is supposed to be a better insulator than PVC. All these draught free air tight UPVC houses are blamed for so called sick house syndrome.

Mancie 19-06-2008 00:24
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It's a rip off.. someone is making a lot of money out of power and food price increases.. they never had these problems in the old Soviet Union.. communism is the only way to beat these capitalist demons!

Benipete 19-06-2008 01:23
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 594877)
It's a rip off.. someone is making a lot of money out of power and food price increases.. they never had these problems in the old Soviet Union.. communism is the only way to beat these capitalist demons!
I really think you should go into politics.I can see it now comrad.
The old will die the fit will eat the family pet and I will buy a Football Club In Europe.:tongueout

Mancie 19-06-2008 01:39
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The old do not get left to die.. comrade.. they are ultimate reason for a communist state.. the old..looking after the infirm ,and our sick brovfas n sistas are the ultimate challenge to a "civilised cuture"!

Benipete 19-06-2008 02:23
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 594890)
The old do not get left to die.. comrade.. they are ultimate reason for a communist state.. the old..looking after the infirm ,and our sick brovfas n sistas are the ultimate challenge to a "civilised cuture"!
Silly me you're doing impressions and i didn't realise thinking of going back to colledge to improve my spelling and lack of intelligence hope i can improve my input:hehetable

accyman 19-06-2008 02:33
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so in theory if we use as much gas and electric as we can while its still at the lower price we could in theory damage the ozone layer even more which in turn will accelorate global warming which in turn should in theory make winters warmer so we wont need to use as much of the expensive gas and electricity when the rises take effect ? :cool:

Mancie 19-06-2008 02:48
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 594892)
Silly me you're doing impressions and i didn't realise thinking of going back to colledge to improve my spelling and lack of intelligence hope i can improve my input:hehetable
yeah silly you..not to worry eh!

Benipete 19-06-2008 02:59
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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 594893)
so in theory if we use as much gas and electric as we can while its still at the lower price we could in theory damage the ozone layer even more which in turn will accelorate global warming which in turn should in theory make winters warmer so we wont need to use as much of the expensive gas and electricity when the rises take effect ? :cool:
Exactamento.My thoughts also>But since the massive SAVE IT campaign in the 70's I have had a change of mind.For example the more you save - the less they make so the price goes up so you pay the same.You are but a pawn in a game and there are 150 thousand,(estimated) Civil Servants) running round Westminster with bits of paper in their hands keeping you where you belong.By the way with all this global warming it's raining again and my heatings come on.
Need to adjust the fiddle:hehetable

polly 19-06-2008 03:41
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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 594740)
Unfortunately they seem to be on about a 40% increase for this years winter…possibly, could, maybe. Most likely headline grabbing, at least I hope so.

The BBC run the story like this

The TimesOnline like this
I am sure there is some 'headline grabbing going on, but there must be some truth too it. Even if we assume they are only 1/2 right it means rises of 25 %.
I doubt that some people will be able to manage.
Also because people are aware of these huge increases in expenditure they are already cutting back and the economy is bound to suffer. I am certainly glad I am not an estate agent at the moment!

One of the problems we have is that our central heating boiler is in the kitchen and pumps out loads of heat making the kitchen sometimes unbearable. Obviously this is wasted heated which we could do with transferring next door to the lounge. anyone any practical ideas?

Benipete 19-06-2008 04:24
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Is it a combi

Mancie 19-06-2008 04:32
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Never a frown eh.. Gordon Brown... ah I mean Golden Brown

derekgas 19-06-2008 07:10
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Originally Posted by polly (Post 594896)
I am sure there is some 'headline grabbing going on, but there must be some truth too it. Even if we assume they are only 1/2 right it means rises of 25 %.
I doubt that some people will be able to manage.
Also because people are aware of these huge increases in expenditure they are already cutting back and the economy is bound to suffer. I am certainly glad I am not an estate agent at the moment!

One of the problems we have is that our central heating boiler is in the kitchen and pumps out loads of heat making the kitchen sometimes unbearable. Obviously this is wasted heated which we could do with transferring next door to the lounge. anyone any practical ideas?
It sounds like you should have an air vent to dissipate the heat, lagging the pipes will also help, but if the boiler is an old one, you probably wont have it too long, and the new one wont give out lots of heat from the casing, and probably wont be in the kitchen either.

Mick 19-06-2008 07:13
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In the end we all need gas and electric and will pay up.

derekgas 19-06-2008 07:15
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As said in a previous post, energy bills went up 70% last year, and forecast another 30% this year, up until now I have had issues with renewable energy sources because it took so long to reap the rewards, but as by this time next year, the savings will be 100% more than last year, it is becoming a very viable option, we are (after years of suppliers pushing renewable energy) now training people at work in renewable enrgy installation, I guarantee that some people here will have at least had to consider renewable sources by 2010, one of the biggest sellers in the heating market at the moment is multifuel stoves, I think this is just the start.

polly 19-06-2008 07:39
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 594899)
Is it a combi
It is a Glow Worm Hideaway (though it dosnt do much hiding and it can be very noisy)

polly 19-06-2008 07:41
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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 594915)
As said in a previous post, energy bills went up 70% last year, and forecast another 30% this year, up until now I have had issues with renewable energy sources because it took so long to reap the rewards, but as by this time next year, the savings will be 100% more than last year, it is becoming a very viable option, we are (after years of suppliers pushing renewable energy) now training people at work in renewable enrgy installation, I guarantee that some people here will have at least had to consider renewable sources by 2010, one of the biggest sellers in the heating market at the moment is multifuel stoves, I think this is just the start.
What is a multifuel stove?

How can normal, non technically minded consumers get info on alternative forms of heating?

jaysay 19-06-2008 09:36
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 594877)
It's a rip off.. someone is making a lot of money out of power and food price increases.. they never had these problems in the old Soviet Union.. communism is the only way to beat these capitalist demons!
If that is what you think Mancie I suggest you see a film called Mrs Rawcliffes revenge, you'll find it very enlightening

Debbie J 19-06-2008 10:31
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Its ridiculous. I could barely afford to keep warm this winter gone, so will probably freeze this winter!

jambutty 19-06-2008 16:33
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The worst of all this is that the people most likely to struggle are the less well off.

Many do not know how to or cannot be bothered to budget for a quarterly bill or Direct Debit so they have card meters. Guess which is the most expensive tariff? Surprise, surprise it is card meters.

However on the bright side the energy companies have been asked, asked mind you not told, to try and get people off card meters and onto cheaper tariffs.

I know a few people who use card meters and not one has had any communication from their energy company to suggest a cheaper tariff.

I guess we are going back 50 years or more when central heating was just a dream for most people and the only form of heating they had was one coal fire in the living room that also heated the water. Posh people had a gas fire and one in the front room as well and maybe even in the bedrooms.

Winters were colder than they are these days with ice on the INSIDE of bedroom windows. But we survived and we learned to undress for bed in double quick time before diving into a cold bed. It was the same getting up in the morning. No lingering.

My energy bill (gas and electric) for the quarter up to June last year was £110 for a one bedroom ground floor flat. Just five radiators, one each in the living room, bedroom, lobby, washroom and kitchen, which is always turned off.

With the pending increases last year I did some economising and my energy bill for the same period this year was £143.

Ah well! I’m lucky. I have a recliner arm chair so with an extra jumper on, a blanket around my legs and the recliner lifting my feet off the deck, I will survive next winter. Maybe I could warm my frozen hands over a candle.

emamum 19-06-2008 16:46
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 595133)
Many do not know how to or cannot be bothered to budget for a quarterly bill or Direct Debit so they have card meters. Guess which is the most expensive tariff? Surprise, surprise it is card meters.
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thats not a fair statement...many houses already have prepayment meters and they dont like taking them out once they are their..

Sometimes you dont get a choice

jambutty 19-06-2008 17:18
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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 595140)
thats not a fair statement...many houses already have prepayment meters and they dont like taking them out once they are their..

Sometimes you dont get a choice
If you own your house or rent it from the local authority or a housing association and have not had the card meter put in because of previous debts, the energy company MUST change it upon request providing that it has been in place and used by you for more than 3 months. They will avoid doing so if they can get away with it because they earn more money with them.

You ask them to put in a card meter and they can’t get round quick enough to do it.

A card meter will cost about £180 more in a year for the average house.

The situation is not clear with a private landlord. It all depends on the tenancy agreement.

When moving into a property that has a card meter, the chances are that it will have a debit on it. I’m told that if you charge your card with £1 and insert it, it will wipe off the debt but you lose your pound. Whether this is true or not I do not know but my son was told this when he was viewing a flat rented by a private landlord. Maybe derekgas can confirm if this is true or not.

But it is vital that you get in touch with the energy supplier if the meter has a debt on it. Not tomorrow, not next week but before you move in if you can or at least on the day that you do move in. If there are any meter readings make a note of them and whilst you are in touch with the energy company ask what the actually tariff is.

emamum 19-06-2008 17:22
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a new tenants card wipes the debt and you keep your £

when i asked them to take the meter out i was told i would have to pay...

panther 19-06-2008 18:06
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Iv never had a card meter, when i moved into my house im in now it did have one, i rung transco to see who the supplier was, then i rung them and told em i wanted it out, i had no problems getting a new meter in;) and i didnt have to pay a penny!...who was the supplier emamum?

emamum 19-06-2008 18:09
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hmm....its npower... i'm gunna be ringing them again then!

panther 19-06-2008 18:13
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Thats the same one i use and i had no problems, unless they have changed it since then( 6 yrs ago:rolleyes:)....threaten to change suppliers, they will soon give ya what ya want;)

Benipete 19-06-2008 18:55
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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 595163)
a new tenants card wipes the debt and you keep your £

when i asked them to take the meter out i was told i would have to pay...
Mine was in credit for £3 but when i did the£1 trick i got the pound but lost the £3 credit.:eek:

emzy 19-06-2008 19:05
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 595220)
Mine was in credit for £3 but when i did the£1 trick i got the pound but lost the £3 credit.:eek:
If theres credit on, or even emergency credit, use that up first before using your new card :D

derekgas 19-06-2008 21:00
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Originally Posted by polly (Post 594923)
What is a multifuel stove?

How can normal, non technically minded consumers get info on alternative forms of heating?
I will pm you some info polly. a multifuel stove burns coal, logs, paper etc.

Bonnyboy 19-06-2008 21:46
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On the electrical side of things, I’m going to attempt rigging a motion sensor light switch to the telly tomorrow. Both of us are at home most of the day and we are guilty as hell of turnin the telly on first thing, then just wanderin off into the kitchen for the rest of the morning.

I’m not electrically minded will seek advice first lol…dunno if things like the wattage or amps of the telly comes into play.

If it works, it should turn the telly off after a certain time if the room is left empty and turn it back on when summat moves in the room lol. Should save us a bundle.

Will let you know if it’s possible and if it is a pain in the bum….not much good if you have to get up and wave at a motion sensor all night to keep the telly on :D

Loz 19-06-2008 21:58
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Me and my fiance usually snuggle up under a duvet instead of putting the heating on and we wear jumpers etc.. too.
We shouldn't have to do this but it does save money and seeing as we don't have much money it's something we have to do.
I dread to think what old people have to go through though.

emzy 20-06-2008 07:23
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Well, that'll be me and the boys freezing this coming winter. I still cant afford to pay my gas bill from last winter :( so theres no hope for me staying warm

Bonnyboy 20-06-2008 20:45
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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 595319)
On the electrical side of things, I’m going to attempt rigging a motion sensor light switch to the telly tomorrow. Both of us are at home most of the day and we are guilty as hell of turnin the telly on first thing, then just wanderin off into the kitchen for the rest of the morning.

I’m not electrically minded will seek advice first lol…dunno if things like the wattage or amps of the telly comes into play.

If it works, it should turn the telly off after a certain time if the room is left empty and turn it back on when summat moves in the room lol. Should save us a bundle.

Will let you know if it’s possible and if it is a pain in the bum….not much good if you have to get up and wave at a motion sensor all night to keep the telly on :D
Said I would let you know if this little plan would work. Unfortunately as I suspected the telly pulls more amps than these motion detectors are rated for. Just going to have to get into the habit of turning the ****** off.


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