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entwisi 20-06-2008 14:46

you can shove your public transport.....
 
up your .............(FAMILY FRIENDLY)

Cars in teh garage today and Julie has had to stay overnight in carlise for work so just me and Siobhan.

This morning I need to take her to grandmas so I can work from home.

So, to drive all the way to the other side of knutsford takes me 50 mins- 1 hour and costs ~£4.50.

To take Siobhan teh 3 miles to grandma and back took OVER an hour and cost £3.80.

Now tell me that public transport is a viable alternative

cashman 20-06-2008 14:59

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its viable fer me, cos i'm n owd fart n got a bus pass.:D

emzy 20-06-2008 15:05

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I cant even get on a bus with my double pram

Nell 20-06-2008 15:06

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I am being think. I dont understand Ian?
Explain again, for me.

I agree though, i dont drive and standing around waiting for buses or trains drives me mad, never mind the cost.

flashy 20-06-2008 15:10

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he's saying its cheaper to go further by car than it is to go a short distance on the bus....i think

Tealeaf 20-06-2008 15:14

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Simple solution: lets start sticking some real tax on car fuel so we can use the proceeds to build up a decent public transport network.

mrskitty 20-06-2008 15:46

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To get from town to Bullough park is £1.20 now.......its disgusting.
For 60p extra me n Corker (plus Jack) can get a taxi-its there when we want it,takes us straight to our front door and i dont have to put up with rude/smelly people on the way.

Tealeaf 20-06-2008 15:51

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Originally Posted by misskitty (Post 595735)
To get from town to Bullough park is £1.20 now.......its disgusting.
For 60p extra me n Corker (plus Jack) can get a taxi-.

It certainly is disgusting. In fact it's worse - it's pathetic. This is no more than a fifteen minute walk - so why use a taxi or a bus? No wonder that Hyndburn now has one of the highest levels of obesity in the country when people are too lazy to walk even the shortest of distances.

jaysay 20-06-2008 16:06

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haven't used public transport for twenty years I always use taxies, buses are no good for me I need door to door service

entwisi 20-06-2008 16:08

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absolutely , Nell, it costs me ~5p/mile to travel by car and over 60p/mile to travel by bus. It also took as long to travel 6 miles as it takes me to do 54.

In these days of credit cruch and rising costs, which is your choice, 60p or 5p

katex 20-06-2008 16:08

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 595704)
up your .............(FAMILY FRIENDLY)



So, to drive all the way to the other side of knutsford takes me 50 mins- 1 hour and costs ~£4.50.


Eh ?? £ 4.50 .. Knutsford about 40 miles ... there and back 80 miles. Even at .40p per mile (low estimate now with price of petrol) .. that would be £32.00, Ok divide by 2 allowing for passenger ... £ 16.00. Please tell me how you do that ? .. unless you are counting your journey to work where you have passengers .. :confused:

Can't always guarantee the 50 minutes either .. if road works, incidents, etc.

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2008 16:09

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 595738)
It certainly is disgusting. In fact it's worse - it's pathetic. This is no more than a fifteen minute walk - so why use a taxi or a bus? No wonder that Hyndburn now has one of the highest levels of obesity in the country when people are too lazy to walk even the shortest of distances.


Walking downhill isn't too bad but walking all that way uphill with a toddler? He'd never make it!

Neil 20-06-2008 16:30

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 595724)
Simple solution: lets start sticking some real tax on car fuel so we can use the proceeds to build up a decent public transport network.

That might work fine in cities but will never be viable in rural areas or for people who have had to work a long way from home due to the decline in industry.

Eric 20-06-2008 16:37

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Bus service in Kingston isn't all that bad ... Kingston Transit is owned and operated by the City of Kingston, and they charge a flat rate of $2.50 anywhere in the city; and if you need to transefer buses, the transfer is free.

Damn ... this thread makes me feel even older ... I can remember when the bus from the Forts Arms in Clayton to the Black Dog in Ossy was a tanner:eek:

mrskitty 20-06-2008 16:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 595738)
It certainly is disgusting. In fact it's worse - it's pathetic. This is no more than a fifteen minute walk - so why use a taxi or a bus? No wonder that Hyndburn now has one of the highest levels of obesity in the country when people are too lazy to walk even the shortest of distances.

Try walking up Ormerod street with a 3 year old and X amount of shopping bags......
and yea i signed that karma i took off you.

katex 20-06-2008 16:52

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Originally Posted by misskitty (Post 595766)
Try walking up Ormerod street with a 3 year old and X amount of shopping bags......

It's OK Miss Kitty ... most of us understand perfectly, wouldn't have done it meself when I was younger.

(Makes a note to give Tealeaf a slap next time I see him.. :D)

blazey 20-06-2008 16:54

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My mum doesn't like public transport because she gets claustrophobic, so we have walked home from accy to ossy for years without fail, not got the bus to town once, and sometimes we walk back too if we don't have too much shopping, otherwise we get a taxi.

I definitely think it is lazy to not walk up that hill. If my 3 yr old brother can walk half the distance of our journey (before finally giving in and getting in his pram without getting tired, he isn't superman), I'm sure an equally healthy toddler can get up that hill no problem.

mrskitty 20-06-2008 16:56

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 595768)
It's OK Miss Kitty ... most of us understand perfectly, wouldn't have done it meself when I was younger.

(Makes a note to give Tealeaf a slap next time I see him.. :D)

Thankyou Kate.......im not feeling great today anyway so comments like that are not helping :o

Please dont slap him..........il do it :D (joke...before anyone gets me banned for threatening someone!)

polly 20-06-2008 17:12

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It is not public transport that is the problem it is the public transport system

Too much public money is spent facilitating car usage (not just roads but also parking) and hence not put into the bus/train services. Of course now both of these services are private industries they only ever run to make profit not as a service.

Re nationalisation is needed and urgently

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2008 17:26

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 595769)
My mum doesn't like public transport because she gets claustrophobic, so we have walked home from accy to ossy for years without fail, not got the bus to town once, and sometimes we walk back too if we don't have too much shopping, otherwise we get a taxi.

I definitely think it is lazy to not walk up that hill. If my 3 yr old brother can walk half the distance of our journey (before finally giving in and getting in his pram without getting tired, he isn't superman), I'm sure an equally healthy toddler can get up that hill no problem.


and sometimes we walk back too if we don't have too much shopping,
otherwise we get a taxi.

I definitely think it is lazy to not walk up that hill.

So how come it's OK for you and your Mum to get a taxi with your shopping but if MissKitty does that with her toddler and her shopping she is being lazy? Ormerod Street is one of the steepest streets in Accrington. I think only the top end of Avenue Parade comes close in comparison.

Of course no doubt you think I am lazy for getting the bus up here and the elderly lady across the road should be walking up here too along with another friend of mine who lives further up and can barely get around the house.

katex 20-06-2008 17:32

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Could be really exciting in driving wind and rain too, which isn't known to be uncommon ... :rolleyes:

onlyme 20-06-2008 17:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 595769)
My mum doesn't like public transport because she gets claustrophobic, so we have walked home from accy to ossy for years without fail, not got the bus to town once, and sometimes we walk back too if we don't have too much shopping, otherwise we get a taxi.

I definitely think it is lazy to not walk up that hill. If my 3 yr old brother can walk half the distance of our journey (before finally giving in and getting in his pram without getting tired, he isn't superman), I'm sure an equally healthy toddler can get up that hill no problem.

Accy to Ossy is a flat route. Great you did it, but dont pass comment on other people.

For a start your brother only did half a flat journey with two people to supervise. Take away that extra adult, add a few shopping bags, and then see how you'd feel.

Thats the thing with you Blazey, you make statements without having a clue what its actually like.

panther 20-06-2008 18:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by misskitty (Post 595766)
Try walking up Ormerod street with a 3 year old and X amount of shopping bags......
and yea i signed that karma i took off you.

I have;)...and believe me it puts ya bloody lights out!! and it IS hard for a little un too, especially if its hot:(


Now i always walk to town (from ossy) and only get the bus back if i cat be bothererd:D

harwood red 20-06-2008 18:45

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 595743)
Eh ?? £ 4.50 .. Knutsford about 40 miles ... there and back 80 miles. Even at .40p per mile (low estimate now with price of petrol) .. that would be £32.00, Ok divide by 2 allowing for passenger ... £ 16.00. Please tell me how you do that ? .. unless you are counting your journey to work where you have passengers .. :confused:

Can't always guarantee the 50 minutes either .. if road works, incidents, etc.

your 40p mile is well over estimated kate, I work on approx 12p mile and that is at the price of petrol now, as I recently filled my car up when I must have been driving on fumes and it cost me £42 and if I was using it on motorway driving as Knutsford would be then I would get about 350 miles to a tank... so if it is 40 miles x 12p then it would be £4.80 one way

pipinfort 20-06-2008 18:56

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Must admit we walk into town regularly, don`t mind it , i would use buses if i needed to but steer well clear of taxi`s, what a rip off..........

entwisi 20-06-2008 18:58

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Katex,
LPG dear, just over £2 a gallon :D

onlyme 20-06-2008 18:58

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the taxis are cheaper than the bus if there is two of ya, these days.

I havent taken public transport for ages, did the other week and nearly passed out at the price.

I'll carry on polluting the environment with my car till they sort that

Bonnyboy 20-06-2008 19:07

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I never use Public Transport.

Judging from what I’ve read in various threads on here, the bus service around here seems particularly poor. Poor scheduling, not particularly user friendly, especially for those with prams and such. As for the cost…it is a joke.

katex 20-06-2008 19:18

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 595830)
Katex,
LPG dear, just over £2 a gallon :D

What planet you on entwisi .. not just the price of the petrol !

All costings of expenses for travelling by car include insurance, cost of buying car, servicing, replacement of parts, (tyres/oil, brake pads, exhausts, blah, blah, blah) depreciation, road tax, etc. (any speeding fines you may pick up.. LOL)
Average paid on company expenses is running at approximately .45p per mile.

Whoops, may be got it wrong :-

http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/...osts-2007.html

katex 20-06-2008 19:30

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Sorta' double post sorry. However, was 2007 !

Eric 20-06-2008 19:45

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Who runs the buses? I assume that Accrington Corporation Transport is long gone. Are the buses run for profit, or are they subsidised by some level of local govt.?

Neil 20-06-2008 19:48

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 595830)
Katex,
LPG dear, just over £2 a gallon :D

What do you get to a gallon though, high 20's?

tsar_nate 20-06-2008 19:54

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yay segways for every one wuhoo

http://libizblog.files.wordpress.com...egway-tour.jpg

panther 20-06-2008 19:58

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hey i wouldnt mind trying one of them...heheh;)

yerself 21-06-2008 00:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi
So, to drive all the way to the other side of knutsford takes me 50 mins- 1 hour and costs ~£4.50.

That's only your fuel cost. Don't you insure, maintain or pay road tax on your vehicle? Does it not depreciate?

From the AA website:

Petrol

* ranging from 35.86 pence per mile for the smallest cars to 111.88 for the largest;
* averaging across the range 65 pence per mile, compared to 62.25 last year.

Diesel

* ranging from 35.03 pence per mile for the smallest to 95.44 for the largest;
* averaging across the range 59.61 pence per mile, compared to 57.77 last year.

"Insurance, depreciation and fuel are the three main elements in the cost of motoring and, on average, all are costing more and wiping out savings from longer tyre life and servicing intervals. As most owners come to pay their motoring bills, each is more expensive than last year's – undermining claims that cars are getting cheaper to run. "

Full report:http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/...osts-2007.html

Loz 21-06-2008 00:10

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Some of us have to rely on public transport because we don't drive!
I personally have no problems with the bus service up Huncoat it costs 80p into town compared with 3.50 for a taxi and god knows what if we had a car.
And what might seem an easy walk for some people isn't for others so maybe certain people should think before they post.

BERNADETTE 21-06-2008 00:17

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Originally Posted by Loz (Post 595978)
Some of us have to rely on public transport because we don't drive!
I personally have no problems with the bus service up Huncoat it costs 80p into town compared with 3.50 for a taxi and god knows what if we had a car.
And what might seem an easy walk for some people isn't for others so maybe certain people should think before they post.

Well said, not everybody has their own transport and by the same token not everybody can manage to walk the short distances that some members seem to find a stroll. Might be better asking people without their own car or having difficulty walking if public transport works for them before knocking it!!!!

Bonnyboy 21-06-2008 00:21

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Originally Posted by Loz (Post 595978)
Some of us have to rely on public transport because we don't drive!
I personally have no problems with the bus service up Huncoat it costs 80p into town compared with 3.50 for a taxi and god knows what if we had a car.
And what might seem an easy walk for some people isn't for others so maybe certain people should think before they post.

Many people do struggle walking as they do other everyday tasks.

As you say, others would do well to reflect on this before posting a comment.

Mancie 21-06-2008 00:28

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Originally Posted by Loz (Post 595978)
Some of us have to rely on public transport because we don't drive!
I personally have no problems with the bus service up Huncoat it costs 80p into town compared with 3.50 for a taxi and god knows what if we had a car.
And what might seem an easy walk for some people isn't for others so maybe certain people should think before they post.

Used to walk from town early hours, to Huncoat and short cut through the cemetary.. then I'd Jog!.. but it's a long trek.. I reckon women (or men) with kids in prams should have free transport.. some may say this could be abused, but by how many?.. there maybe bods that would stoop to just getting an empty pram and using it as a freebie.. but not many.

Loz 21-06-2008 00:33

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 595983)
Well said, not everybody has their own transport and by the same token not everybody can manage to walk the short distances that some members seem to find a stroll. Might be better asking people without their own car or having difficulty walking if public transport works for them before knocking it!!!!

Exactly!
I don't understand how people can knock something that is invaluble to so many people myself included.
Sometimes i can manage to walk into town but i suffer from dizzy spells on and off so somedays it isn't possible for me to walk and feel safe so the buses and taxis are a godsend for me and many other people too.

Benipete 21-06-2008 00:38

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 595984)
Many people do struggle walking as they do other everyday tasks.

As you say, others would do well to reflect on this before posting a comment.

Thanks for that.I would have to get a taxi to the bus stop and that would cost the same as going the whole way in the taxi.:confused:

blazey 21-06-2008 08:06

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Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 595796)
Accy to Ossy is a flat route. Great you did it, but dont pass comment on other people.

For a start your brother only did half a flat journey with two people to supervise. Take away that extra adult, add a few shopping bags, and then see how you'd feel.

Thats the thing with you Blazey, you make statements without having a clue what its actually like.

I live up a hill in ossy and he walks to and from the co-op every single day up and down the hill.

I think some people just find excuses for it. He even has a little luggage thing on wheels so he carries our milk home :p I think I underappreciate my little brother, and I am certainly going to give him a big hug when I get home! Here I am pointing out that there aren't two people to supervise, I can't supervise when I am at university.

Obviously when we have no choice but to walk we find a way to do it, so obviously I am going to think it is lazy to not walk up that hill. We can't always afford a taxi either, but we can't just sit around feeling sorry for ourselves. Taxi's are more often than not an unnecessary method of travel.

onlyme 21-06-2008 08:33

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 596066)
I live up a hill in ossy and he walks to and from the co-op every single day up and down the hill.

I think some people just find excuses for it. He even has a little luggage thing on wheels so he carries our milk home :p I think I underappreciate my little brother, and I am certainly going to give him a big hug when I get home! Here I am pointing out that there aren't two people to supervise, I can't supervise when I am at university.

Obviously when we have no choice but to walk we find a way to do it, so obviously I am going to think it is lazy to not walk up that hill. We can't always afford a taxi either, but we can't just sit around feeling sorry for ourselves. Taxi's are more often than not an unnecessary method of travel.

No ones sat here feeling sorry for ourselves. As far as I was aware this post started with costs of public transport being compared to private, and the fact the cost between them both was very little in some cases.

I firmly believe that if the Government is wanting to take cars off the road, and entice people to use public transport as an alternative, the cost is a major issue.

The only major hill I can think of in ossy is the hill that leads to the top roads. If thats the one, then fair play to your brother. Doesnt entitle you to knock other people, or their children. I have a car, my son goes in it all over the place. We arrive, he runs round like a mad man, eventually we get back in the car. Doesnt make me a bad mum, or him obese.

emamum 21-06-2008 09:35

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i walk everywhere but i am still fat.lol

blazey 21-06-2008 10:07

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Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 596068)
No ones sat here feeling sorry for ourselves. As far as I was aware this post started with costs of public transport being compared to private, and the fact the cost between them both was very little in some cases.

I firmly believe that if the Government is wanting to take cars off the road, and entice people to use public transport as an alternative, the cost is a major issue.

The only major hill I can think of in ossy is the hill that leads to the top roads. If thats the one, then fair play to your brother. Doesnt entitle you to knock other people, or their children. I have a car, my son goes in it all over the place. We arrive, he runs round like a mad man, eventually we get back in the car. Doesnt make me a bad mum, or him obese.

Of course not, although I didn't make the comment about obesity.

WillowTheWhisp 21-06-2008 13:17

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It doesn't make people lazy either just because they are not able to do something you find easy. Perhaps one day you too will find walking more difficult. I used to think nothing of walking to and from work every day when I worked in Church and Clayton, and half way when I worked in Rishton. Why half way? I got the bus to Clayton and that was as far as it went. There was no Hyndburn Circular in those days so I walked from the Load of Mischief to Rishton and that was quite a pull up past the paper mill.

I couldn't do it now though and wouldn't dream of calling anyone else lazy if they can't manage it either.

80p from Huncoat to town? Crikey it's 95p from town to top of Ormerod Street! If there's 3 of us a taxi is only 15p more.

accyman 21-06-2008 15:59

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i used to get a bus to work in great harwood,the bus used to stop and the driver would read his paper for 5 mins in clayton which led to the bus eventualy landing at great harwood at 05.58am leaving me 2 mins to get to work

i asked the driver why he stopped at clayton and he said so that he didnt arrive early in great harwood even though we pointed out to him that we started work at 6am

eventualy me and the other bloke who worked with me were sacked for been late

since then public transport has been a big no no for me simply because if the buses arnt late , filthy or stink of pee the drivers are usualy arrogant idiots

no offence to the few decent ones;)

flashy 21-06-2008 16:46

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 596205)
i used to get a bus to work in great harwood,the bus used to stop and the driver would read his paper for 5 mins in clayton which led to the bus eventualy landing at great harwood at 05.58am leaving me 2 mins to get to work

i asked the driver why he stopped at clayton and he said so that he didnt arrive early in great harwood even though we pointed out to him that we started work at 6am

eventualy me and the other bloke who worked with me were sacked for been late

since then public transport has been a big no no for me simply because if the buses arnt late , filthy or stink of pee the drivers are usualy arrogant idiots

no offence to the few decent ones;)



well the simple answer to that would have been............get an earlier bus ;) they have to be at certain stops at certain times

WillowTheWhisp 21-06-2008 16:53

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Was there an earlier bus though? Maybe that was the earliest one.

accyman 21-06-2008 17:32

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 596231)
well the simple answer to that would have been............get an earlier bus ;) they have to be at certain stops at certain times


no it was the first bus of the day, i would like to think that between 2 of us we could of figured out that we needed to catch an earlier bus if there was one :rolleyes:

and before somone suggests cycleing i only have 1 leg

Neil 21-06-2008 18:30

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 596066)
I live up a hill in ossy and he walks to and from the co-op every single day up and down the hill.

That is only just a hill ( well your part of it anyway ) and you live near the bottom of it. You are a little teaser :p:D


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