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viaduct suicide threat arrest,accrington man was arrested on Saturday after he threatened to throw himself 100 feet from a railway viaduct onto hyndburn roads roundabout 50-year-old was eventually persuaded to come down by an accrington police Sergeant drama lasted 40 minutes, a man was later arrested by police for breach of the peace.:confused:

it shows wen they safe a life they have to arrested this man and not try to help him, for there must be a reason for all this or he would not have been up there in first place braver man then i.:confused:

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is the arrest not a way to force him into getting some help?

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yeh was talking about this before..:D.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...oad-40545.html

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Thay have to arrest him to take charge of the situation.

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yeh, think the "norm" is to evaluate state of mind etc.

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Eh.. if I lived in Accy jumping off the viaduct would seem like a pretty good option!

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Can I come and watch?:)

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It would be nice to know where you do come from and which planet you are on?

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Are you Interpol? you won't ever know.

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In any situation like this the police will arrest the person,now that doesnt mean any charges will be brought about.the police normally arrest and take them to a holding cell where a DR will be called out and access the persons mental health state.Under normal circumstances the DR will certify the person under mental health act.

we cant expect the police to talk someone down from a viaduct and then send them on their way.

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threatened to jump ?

if he meant buisness he woulda just done it :rolleyes:

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He's probably been sectioned for his own good

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Threatening to jump my a*$3 .... you either jump or don't, what a muppet.

I say this as someone who has sat in two traffic jams on the M55 & M65 in the past twelve months.

Get them tazzered .

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Archiveuk, that is a very compassionate approach you have there.
So you consider your car journey more important than the life of someone with mental health problems??
PBWY.

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We don't know the whole situation this bloke may be in.. for all we know his giro might not have come. :)

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Too right, or put it another way, what right do these muppets have to hold up thousands of people, for the best part of three hours, whist they make a "cry for attention"? i call it total selfishness ...
Imagine the cost to our society in lost working hours, missed appointments, there were drivers and passengers busting to go to the toilet etc .... One womam missed a job interview, need I go on ?

Get em tazzered ...

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No, indeed, you have answered my question perfectly.
I do hope that in your life you never have the misfortune to suffer from mental illness, or for that matter have someone you love suffer from mental illness. You assume that this person was just a time waster, because he made you waste some of your time.
You know nothing of the facts of the case or the situation that this person was in.
PBWY

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I feel that suicide is a very selfish act. I have known people that have done it, 1 that failed and 1 that ,well, diddn't. I saw first hand what they were going through and I feel that there is always a better answer. To put friends and family through all that pain and heartache is, like I said, selfish.

This is just MY personal opinion.

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I knew a spinster who had terminal cancer and committed suicide.
She had only one living relative - a brother.
She inflicted no pain by doing it- she saved herself a lot of pain, and she was selfless by not wishing to be a burden on her brother.
No two suicides are the same, either in their reason or the after effects.

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If someone has a mental health problem so serious that they consider jumping off a viaduct, what makes anybody think they have even considered the fact that they are holding up traffic, or inflicting emotional damage on thier next of kin, it is a mental health problem, ie, the brain isnt functioning correctly, they are devoid of the ability to make a rational judgement, they likely dont even realise to the full extent that they may kill themselves by jumping, so, what part of 'the person doesn't understand the implications of his actions', do some not understand?

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Sounds like he already is Margaret

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my friend died of mental health problems but his death was labeled as suicide.

he thought he was a yo-yo and threw himself off a viaduct

i seriously dont think he intended to kill himself :(

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By the time someone has got to the stage of being suicidal they aren't even thinking about their own wellbeing let alone those they would leave behind.
I too used to think it was a selfish and cowardly act, I have been enlightened on the subject and now view it differently; most " cries for help" are managed so they will be just that, someone bent on suicide isn't thinking that far ahead.:(

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erm....sorry but if they are bent on suicide there isnt a 'ahead':rolleyes:

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Mancie, I reckon you could make a good business out of this. I reckon some people would pay a good price judging off some of the attitudes on the forum to suicide;)

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well said Lindsay

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I know people who have comitted suicide and people who have contemplated suicide, its clear that rational thought is no longer in it, they need a way out and cant see any other option

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Let me clarify, I'm niether for nor against suicide, it's causing maximum disruption to the wider community that winds me up... if somebody wishes to end it all then do it somewhere appropriate ...
I knew a guy whoo did the deed in a Hotel room, result was he was discovered by a kid of a chambermain who was probibaly on around a fiver an hour trying to scrape a living together to survive, now it's her we should feel sorry for.

P.s. to Margaret, yes I do have a relative with a mental illness, mad as a box of frogs actually.

"Tazzer the Muppets "

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I didn't realise that suicide was something that you could be 'for' or 'against'.
As far as I'm concerned it is a very sad fact of life. Some people cannot see any other way out of their problems...and what I find sad is that they feel they cannot talk to anyone or make someone understand their dispair.

Obviously, you don't share those feelings and your attitude to your relative with mental illness is very glib. PBWY

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i agree with suicide and some dont so yes you can be for and against it i suppose

archiveuk is correct when he says people set on commiting suicide should dispose of themsleves in a manner that dosnt leave a mess for somone else to tidy up and mentaly scar that person for life like some poor train driver or truck driver who somone has thrown themselves infront of

there are different situations to suicide , somone topping themselves because they lost their job for instance is a damn coward but somone who tops themselves rather than suffer a long drawn out illness which will inflict enourmous amounts of pain with no hope for a cure is in my eyes justified

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not familiar with that particular internet/text comment?

what is it lol

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it appears on all your posts but it does look like your final word on a matter when you finish making some comments lol

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no mate, where hes wrong n you is some are not "set" on commiting suicide, summat just snaps inside their head n they go do it, which is exactly what happened with my workmate who jumped off the viaduct, was having a laugh n joke wi him the afternoon before, he was fine a good bloke to work him, ya cant say someone whose head goes should do this or that, they are oblivious to any reason n its tragic fer everyone.

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with accrington having such a good launchpad right in town center im surprised we dont get ques of goths and imo's waiting to jump ,sadly this is not the case :rolleyes:

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Archiveuk, you still dont grasp it do you?, I used to work with a bloke who was a gentle giant, strong as an ox, do anything for anybody, some guys used to wind him up about his missus, who was a good looking nurse, he was having a bad time with his work too, nothing going right for him, he snapped and killed himself in his car with a hose through the window from the exhaust, whilst locked in the garage, I dont for a second think that he realised the possibility that his much loved 10 year old son would find him dead, suicides DO NOT REALISE what they inflict on other people, it is not a consideration for them, they do not intentionally inconvenience others.

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PBWY........Peace Be With You

Automatic catholic response.....AAWY... And Also With You :D:D:D

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Thank you for explaining that emamum.......it saves me from having to do it.
Not all posts will carry this little message...only those that I feel need it...and I think this one does.

by the way, mine is not really religious, more spiritual, just linked to karma(no not the Karma on here, my own karma).

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Well said.
My brothers wife committed suicide because she couldn't have a baby.
It was all she ever wanted, to raise a family......she could not live with the overwhelming grief she felt at being as she put it 'barren'.......she didn't jump off a bridge, she just took the pills when she knew my brother was going to be away from the house all day, wrote a note apologising for being a trouble, and then lay down and died. She was a lovely girl but her mind was tortured.
You are right Derekgas....they do not intentionally inconvenience others....they just want out of this life that is so painful to them.

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That is so sad MP, and friends/relatives rarely know it is about to happen, I suspect the 'victims' dont always know until very late either.

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Yes, it is more than 20 years ago that this happened....for a while my brother was wrecked...he couldn't see a life without his girl...but with support he got his life back together again and is now happy and successful, but he still thinks that maybe, if he had come home for lunch that day he would still have had his lovely wife. We never ever know what life is going to test us with.

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C'mon guys ... we all have thought about it to some degree at one time or another ... and it's a personal thing, probably the most selfish thing (and "selfish" is neutral) anyone can contemplate. A buddy of mine said that when the time comes that he can't wipe his own ass, it is time to pull the plug on life. When I laughed, he said that he was deadly serious ... He isn't weird or inconsiderate or insane: he has set his own limits and made his choice. Which leads me to think that there are as many reasons for suicide as there are suicides.

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My friend was the one to find his dad after he had been 'missing' for a few days. For some reason nobody thought to thoroughly check the house, and it was only when he went upstairs did they find him, and he has to live with that final image of his dad now like that.

The sad thing is, most people who kill themselves show obvious signs, but some show very subtle signs too and nobody gives them the support they need in time. Very few people speak out about mental illness (statistically men more commonly dont speak out) and it doesn't help when people are calling them selfish and the rest of it.

Some people need to learn a bit of compassion for others it seems. Maybe one day you'll suffer with one of these common illnesses and you'll realise what it's like. I believe it is 1 in 3 that are effected by a mental illness in their lives, so it's not rare.

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My dad tried to kill himself after his partner left him. i was 18, heavily pregnant and the only family he had.. i went round to check on him because he was depressed... there were empty pill packets and a massive bottle of vodka (half empty) . my dad was concious but drunk and drugged. I called and ambulance and my dad wouldnt let them take him, because he was concious and refusing they left him in my care and said.. ring us as soon as he hits the floor!!

I called our doctor and tried to get him sectioned but the doctor was more concerned about me and the baby... not really what a pregnant woman needs is it??

He did drop eventually and we got him to hospital in time.. seeing my dad like that, even though he wasnt dead, was awful! He could have been dead and knew that i was the only person with a key to his house, i checked on him everyday so it was obvious that i was the one that would find him, but none of that occoured to him.. the only thing he was thinking about was ending his pain.

there was a reason for me telling this story but i cant remember what it was.... will come back when i have had some more coffee

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It must be awful for whoever finds somebody after they have committed suicide.
I remember my next door neighbour killing herself,she slit her wrists and we heard her scream when she was doing it.
Her daughter found her in a pool of blood in the bath,i don't know how you could get over something like that.