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***Mr D*** 26-06-2008 16:41

Ufo's
 
Been seeing in the sun newspaper recently a few reports of UFO's

I honestly believe I have seen on a few occasions anomolies that I cannot explain in our sky.

I took some photo's from the top of coppice one night.

See Thred - http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tml#post460056

Now I didnt see/hear anything whilst I was up there but was taking photo's with a 30 second exposure.

This is My UFO above accrington.:D (Sun / observer If you see this you can print a story for a few ££££):D:D:D:D:D:D

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...oppice0001.jpg
See The object in the middle slightly to the left.

And a Closer look.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...pice0001-1.jpg

Do you believe.:)

emamum 26-06-2008 16:45

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no i dont.......but thats a really good photo :D

lettie 26-06-2008 16:47

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I have been abducted by aliens on several occasions, usually on a friday or saturday night. I can't remember the inside of the spacecraft, they must have slipped me some mind altering substance....... but the gits usually kick me in the head a few times, poo in my mouth and take all of my money...
I always wake up in my own bed with a bad head, feeling sick and skint.

If I ever manage to see the inside (or outside) of the craft....... I'll let you know.:D

PS. Like the pics...:)

Benipete 26-06-2008 17:04

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I was in it, That's me on the left

panther 26-06-2008 17:20

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Oh i believe that there is summat out there, i mean there is not just us floating about in space!

I have also seen a UFO to right in ossy!!....it was over harvey st way, and it wasnt just me who seen it, a few people in their car actually stopped and saw it too:D

jaysay 26-06-2008 17:39

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When I lived in Hassy Used to go out UFO spotting regularly, there is a lot of activity downt Valley, I have to say that we never failed to see something that we could not explain, Usually coming from the direction of the Coppice towards the Valley, it was very very eerie:eek:

cashman 26-06-2008 21:41

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stop all this talk of ufos, ya will blow me cover.:D:rolleyes:

WillowTheWhisp 26-06-2008 21:46

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I love the photo.

Have had one or two personal "interesting" experiences. Once on a walk with my late husband and Em we saw something up near Jackhouse Res.

jambutty 26-06-2008 22:12

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I believe that we cannot be the only intelligent life form in the whole Universe and if we aren’t, that we are the most intelligent.

There are zillions of galaxies formed long before ours was so it is highly probable that in some of them intelligent life developed. And having developed before us that intelligent life is likely to be one heck of a lot more advanced than we are. Maybe even advanced enough to have put conflict behind them and developed the ability to travel between galaxies. How they could do that is down to our current science fiction with faster than light travel, worm holes etc.

I don’t believe in little green men with big heads, bulging eyes and hands that couldn’t manipulate simple tools let alone make intricate machinery.

Have a read of this: //http://uk.geocities.com/[email protected]/charlie/thoughts.html

The forum truncates long URL’s so just copy and paste the URL less the two // at the beginning into your browser address field. You might find it interesting. Then again you might not.

Eric 26-06-2008 22:13

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If there are UFOs out there why the hell would the visit Earth? It must be the one's that can't afford to go to Alpha Centauri .... And why Accrington, when Clayton is so close and so much nicer:rolleyes:

I think aliens would be fun to hang out with: all the mind altering drugs, bondage, and anal probing:mosher:

steeljack 26-06-2008 22:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 598999)
I think aliens would be fun to hang out with: all the mind altering drugs, bondage, and anal probing:mosher:

just another normal day for some in San Francisco :eek: :eek:

Eric 26-06-2008 22:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 599007)
just another normal day for some in San Francisco :eek: :eek:

Lucky s.o.b.'s ... :D

Eric 26-06-2008 22:28

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Great picture by the way ... I never remember Accy being so lit up ...

cashman 26-06-2008 22:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 599017)
Great picture by the way ... I never remember Accy being so lit up ...

ya must have missed "Wilsons Egg Place" then eric,that did light the town up.:D

***Mr D*** 27-06-2008 17:05

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Thanks for the comments on the pic and whoever gave me the anonomous Karma,cheers.

I feel there must be something out there.

Has anyone seen the Nasa footage of UFO'S, or the old Space ship on the moon?

Area 51? and the russian equivalent Kasputin Yar?

Im supprised the goverment arent using it to scare us more. Extra UFO Defence on Council Tax.:D

Tealeaf 27-06-2008 18:08

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What is all this fuss about a picture of an aeroplane?

yerself 27-06-2008 18:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf
What is all this fuss about a picture of an aeroplane?

Some drunk thinks he's just seen Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock.

Tealeaf 27-06-2008 18:32

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It also makes you wander what people are doing on top of the Coppice in the middle of the night. Possibly looking to snap a few doggers?

yerself 27-06-2008 18:45

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Could have been doing a bit of dogging themselves.

Loz 27-06-2008 23:38

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I believe!
How can we be the only life in the entire universe?
I agree with Jambutty and no offence but i never thought i would say that!
I believe i have seen things i cannot explain and would love it if it was proven that there was life out there somewhere as long as they were friendly!

***Mr D*** 28-06-2008 08:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 599267)
What is all this fuss about a picture of an aeroplane?

Aeroplane? can you be sure, its a UFO. (being Unidentified Flying Object)

Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 599275)
Some drunk thinks he's just seen Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock.

Nice to presume that Im a drunk. Thanks for that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 599278)
It also makes you wander what people are doing on top of the Coppice in the middle of the night. Possibly looking to snap a few doggers?

I did manage to catch two dogs on camera.:rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 599282)
Could have been doing a bit of dogging themselves.

Got it in one.:rolleyes:

jaysay 28-06-2008 09:06

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I'm afraid I agree with Mr D there is something out there, never used to think so, but I do now. If anyone has doubts about other life forms all you have to do is take the trouble to take up a vantage point on some high ground on a night with a clear sky, after midnight, if you have some binoculars all the better, then just keep your eyes on the skyline, you'll be surprised just what you'll see.

cashman 28-06-2008 11:41

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fer all the doubters.:D

jaysay 28-06-2008 11:56

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 599467)
fer all the doubters.:D

Nice one cashy, that should put the doubters straigh:D:rolleyes:

jambutty 28-06-2008 14:16

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Great record. I remember it well.

What about “The Blob” sung by the Five Blobs and featured in the film The Blob, which starred Steve McQueen?

Retlaw 28-06-2008 14:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 598791)
When I lived in Hassy Used to go out UFO spotting regularly, there is a lot of activity downt Valley, I have to say that we never failed to see something that we could not explain, Usually coming from the direction of the Coppice towards the Valley, it was very very eerie:eek:


That was solved years ago, it was planes on the glide path to Manchester Airport, the pilots throttle back the engines, so it would appear to the watchers as if they were silent ufo's.

I said years ago when all this crap about ufo's was at its height, that if there was such a thing they, would have been on the Wogan Show.

Whats the point of travelling all that way in outer space, and then just zooming about, and wheres the mother ship, to house all these little flying beggars, it would have to be the size of a small moon, something easily
spotted by the number of telescopes pointing at the sky.

Retlaw.

emamum 28-06-2008 14:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 599532)
That was solved years ago, it was planes on the glide path to Manchester Airport, the pilots throttle back the engines, so it would appear to the watchers as if they were silent ufo's.

I said years ago when all this crap about ufo's was at its height, that if there was such a thing they, would have been on the Wogan Show.

Whats the point of travelling all that way in outer space, and then just zooming about, and wheres the mother ship, to house all these little flying beggars, it would have to be the size of a small moon, something easily
spotted by the number of telescopes pointing at the sky.

Retlaw.

they are looking for intelligent life... they will make themselves known when they find some :D

jambutty 28-06-2008 15:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 599532)
That was solved years ago, it was planes on the glide path to Manchester Airport, the pilots throttle back the engines, so it would appear to the watchers as if they were silent ufo's.

I said years ago when all this crap about ufo's was at its height, that if there was such a thing they, would have been on the Wogan Show.

Whats the point of travelling all that way in outer space, and then just zooming about, and wheres the mother ship, to house all these little flying beggars, it would have to be the size of a small moon, something easily
spotted by the number of telescopes pointing at the sky.

Retlaw.

You are judging the alien by our own standards and technology.

If someone from way out there had the capability to come over here, their technology would have to be far superior to our own. Thus it would not be beyond the realms of probability that their craft could be invisible to our eyes and radar.

By universal standards the largest American aircraft carrier is just a pin prick, yet it houses many aircraft, some quite large.

Neil 28-06-2008 15:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 598999)
all the mind altering drugs, bondage, and anal probing:mosher:

Are we taking about Letties nights out still or UFO's? :rolleyes::D

jaysay 28-06-2008 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 599532)
That was solved years ago, it was planes on the glide path to Manchester Airport, the pilots throttle back the engines, so it would appear to the watchers as if they were silent ufo's.

I said years ago when all this crap about ufo's was at its height, that if there was such a thing they, would have been on the Wogan Show.

Whats the point of travelling all that way in outer space, and then just zooming about, and wheres the mother ship, to house all these little flying beggars, it would have to be the size of a small moon, something easily
spotted by the number of telescopes pointing at the sky.

Retlaw.

Well in that case Retlaw these were the queerest plans I have ever seen, One bright light, hovering for around 5 to 10 minutes then shooting of at a great rate of knots then disappearing over the skyline, I ain't seen no plane behave like that, and it was far to fast to be a copter:confused:

jaysay 28-06-2008 15:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 599535)
they are looking for intelligent life... they will make themselves known when they find some :D

Well they always seemed like they were coming from the directon of Burnley, they'd have had no chance over there :hidewall:thats me hiding from dave and GC:D

MargaretR 28-06-2008 15:36

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It always seemed more logical to me that, rather than coming from outer space, they are time travellers from our own future.

Neil 28-06-2008 15:42

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I hope Gordon Brown has found a way of imposing an enviromental tax on these UFO's. Who knows what effect they have on global warming?

yerself 28-06-2008 16:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emamum23
they are looking for intelligent life... they will make themselves known when they find some

As Eric Idle said:
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's ****** all down here on Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY

Jae Swift 28-06-2008 19:55

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What camera is that you're using?

***Mr D*** 28-06-2008 20:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jae Swift (Post 599668)
What camera is that you're using?

Nothing Special.

Just a Fuji Finepix - 6500.

Good cheap camera, bit on the big side though.

Jae Swift 28-06-2008 20:13

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I like. lol

jambutty 28-06-2008 20:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 599549)
It always seemed more logical to me that, rather than coming from outer space, they are time travellers from our own future.

Now you are getting into the realms of fantasy.

If anyone has come back from the future sooner or later one of them would commit the ultimate paradox. One of them would alter the time line that would eventually lead to the none birth of the person committing the paradox. So he couldn’t come back and alter the time line because he didn’t exist. And if he didn’t exist there would be no one to come back and alter the time line.

There are undoubtedly strange goings on in our skies and our government, at least, must know something. Otherwise why keep the UFO files locked away for 30 years?

Boeing Guy 28-06-2008 21:02

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Sorry, but I have don't believe we are being buzzed by Aliens.
Firstly they have no idea we are here,according to SETI, very few of our radio and tv transmissions will have escaped into space and although they travel at the speed of light they get weaker the further they go and will eventually get drowned out by the background electromatic radiation caused by the 'big bang'.
Okay so now we have space craft that have left the planet and now solar system, such as Voyager, are not that far out of our solar system
Then there is the small question of interstellar travel, being able to travel at the speed of light is one thing, but traveling such distances is another matter.
Why if there are such life forms do they not get in contact with us?
Why not land in Hyde Park?
I am not saying that the universe is devoid of life, just I don't beleive in UFO's

jambutty 28-06-2008 21:02

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Some ten years ago on a bright summer’s afternoon I was walking my dog. The skies were clear without a single cloud to be seen. There was no haze so the visibility was excellent.

Suddenly I became aware of a very loud sound like that of low flying jet fighter coming from the north. Within three or four seconds the sound disappeared to the south. I followed the sound with my eyes all the way but saw absolutely nothing. Even my dog stopped and looked up. On that day I estimate that I could have seen well over 50 miles in any direction. So this sound could travel some 100 miles in a few seconds.

It could have been a military jet flying at faster than mach 1 and the aircraft was out of sight before the sound arrived but there was no sonic boom.

I wrote to the Telegraph to describe the incident and one person responded by saying that she had heard the same at the same time whilst watching the cricket match at Rishton but like me, saw nothing.

Bonnyboy 28-06-2008 21:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 599708)
Now you are getting into the realms of fantasy.

If anyone has come back from the future sooner or later one of them would commit the ultimate paradox. One of them would alter the time line that would eventually lead to the none birth of the person committing the paradox. So he couldn’t come back and alter the time line because he didn’t exist. And if he didn’t exist there would be no one to come back and alter the time line.

There are undoubtedly strange goings on in our skies and our government, at least, must know something. Otherwise why keep the UFO files locked away for 30 years?

What you say about the paradox of time travel is correct.

It doesn’t rule out future technologies allowing it to be a possibility though. It may not be so fanciful after all.

Boeing Guy 28-06-2008 21:16

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Edited to appologise that the same post has happened twice, maybe its UFO's or just the fact that the Internet in Cotonou, Benin (near Nigeria) is naff. Back to Casablanca in the Morn

Tin Monkey 28-06-2008 21:33

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http://www.voont.com/files/images/edit/food/peanut.jpg

AccyLass 28-06-2008 21:37

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What a great photo:D

jambutty 28-06-2008 21:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 599713)
Sorry, but I have don't believe we are being buzzed by Aliens.
Firstly they have no idea we are here,according to SETI, very few of our radio and tv transmissions will have escaped into space and although they travel at the speed of light they get weaker the further they go and will eventually get drowned out by the background electromatic radiation caused by the 'big bang'.
Okay so now we have space craft that have left the planet and now solar system, such as Voyager, are not that far out of our solar system
Then there is the small question of interstellar travel, being able to travel at the speed of light is one thing, but traveling such distances is another matter.
Why if there are such life forms do they not get in contact with us?
Why not land in Hyde Park?
I am not saying that the universe is devoid of life, just I don't beleive in UFO's

Any radio frequency above about 40 MHz will pass through the ionised layer surrounding the earth and continue forever into space unless it hits a solid object and gets reflected back or is scattered.

Voyager sends back pictures from several million miles away and it sure won’t have a super powerful transmitter like we have back on earth, yet we get the pictures. Some of our radio and TV transmitters are rated in mega watts feeding an omni directional aerial. Some of those radio waves will undoubtedly travel direct into space and some will get bounced off the earth and buildings and carry on into space. Whether anyone has picked them up and deciphered them is another matter. But then we pick up radio signals from outer space and so far haven’t been able to decipher them, if there is anything to decipher. If you built a VHF receiver that was able to pick up the AM frequencies you would ‘hear’ the silence of the carrier wave but not the sound modulating it. Mr A. Lien may not know about FM and AM so he won’t be able to decipher the signals and put them down to random radiation. Just like we do.

MCR ADIM 28-06-2008 22:47

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/M25UFOs.htm can you describe the pictures or even the video no-one will ever know if thier is life forms out their becuase just like us they may not of found them like we have not found them! i belive thier is some other form of life out there

MCR ADIM 28-06-2008 23:02

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7FYnI5nkIo and this?????

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2411/...82022b9e0d.jpg
i so this land in haslingden and waited ages for an alien to walk out but nothing happing! maybe it was just sent too get soil from the earth for testing :D:eek:

Mancie 29-06-2008 02:03

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That's no UFO..it's the matress someone dumped in back alley round less gaff ages ago!

jaysay 29-06-2008 09:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 599762)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7FYnI5nkIo and this?????

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2411/...82022b9e0d.jpg
i so this land in haslingden and waited ages for an alien to walk out but nothing happing! maybe it was just sent too get soil from the earth for testing :D:eek:

If you keep your eyes on it long enough Gayle may make an appearance:Dbut whatever you do don't mention the 'P' word:rolleyes:

Boeing Guy 29-06-2008 10:20

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Well I would not know that much about radio waves, really. I was going off what SETI said and seeig they want to find aliens......
I only have a VHF/HF/AM ICAO Radio Licence, for transmitting, like all pilots. We do not know the in's and outs as we don't need to, I leave that toi the Hams.

Nori Brick 30-06-2008 18:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 599714)
Some ten years ago on a bright summer’s afternoon I was walking my dog. The skies were clear without a single cloud to be seen. There was no haze so the visibility was excellent.

Suddenly I became aware of a very loud sound like that of low flying jet fighter coming from the north. Within three or four seconds the sound disappeared to the south. I followed the sound with my eyes all the way but saw absolutely nothing. Even my dog stopped and looked up. On that day I estimate that I could have seen well over 50 miles in any direction. So this sound could travel some 100 miles in a few seconds.

It could have been a military jet flying at faster than mach 1 and the aircraft was out of sight before the sound arrived but there was no sonic boom.

I wrote to the Telegraph to describe the incident and one person responded by saying that she had heard the same at the same time whilst watching the cricket match at Rishton but like me, saw nothing.

Ten years ago at the time they where test flying what is now known as the RAF Typhoon so no doubt that is what you heard as it is the fastests an crapest pkain in the RAF

Nori Brick 30-06-2008 18:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 598977)
I love the photo.

Have had one or two personal "interesting" experiences. Once on a walk with my late husband and Em we saw something up near Jackhouse Res.

That was More likly to be me, willow lmfao

churchman phil 30-06-2008 18:43

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Load of tosh imho

jambutty 30-06-2008 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nori Brick (Post 600530)
Ten years ago at the time they where test flying what is now known as the RAF Typhoon so no doubt that is what you heard as it is the fastests an crapest pkain in the RAF

That was my first thought when I heard it and judging from the level of noise it had to be low enough to be seen very easily. Yet there was nothing to be seen.

I have seen low level mock attacks against my ship many times and then I could see and hear the plane some ten seconds before it passed overhead. As lookout it was my job to spot it. Can’t think why because we had radar that could do it better than I ever could.

Boeing Guy 30-06-2008 22:32

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Might have been a SR71.... thay stopped flying them around 10 years ago, and could have gone over the UK. Also sound does carry especially when you are at 40K feet plus?

jambutty 01-07-2008 02:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 600711)
Might have been a SR71.... thay stopped flying them around 10 years ago, and could have gone over the UK. Also sound does carry especially when you are at 40K feet plus?

Are you trying to say that a plane at 40,000 feet can be heard on the ground?

In that case all the vapour trails that I see daily and not a whisper of sound must be coming from planes on the edge of space.

steeljack 01-07-2008 04:35

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years ago when I was working along the 'tap-line' in Saudi Arabia you used to be able to set your watch (around noon time) by the Concorde going over from Bahrain to London , the speck in the sky had disappeared to the north -west by time you heard the 'boom' .

thread wander ....once heard a story that the Concorde was built on the same jigs as the scrapped TSR2 , seems unlikely , but possibly the wings had some similarity since they were both designed and built near Bristol , (Filton? /Fulton? )

jaysay 01-07-2008 08:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 600783)
years ago when I was working along the 'tap-line' in Saudi Arabia you used to be able to set your watch (around noon time) by the Concorde going over from Bahrain to London , the speck in the sky had disappeared to the north -west by time you heard the 'boom' .

thread wander ....once heard a story that the Concorde was built on the same jigs as the scrapped TSR2 , seems unlikely , but possibly the wings had some similarity since they were both designed and built near Bristol , (Filton? /Fulton? )

Its Filton steeljack, I was actually working in Filton Bristol when Concord made its first test flight, when it was taking of there were road barriors which closed much like a level crossing, it was a truely great sight watching this majestic plane take off, just like a huge white bird

jaysay 01-07-2008 08:58

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Just a thought on UFOs when you think of the vastness of the galaxy it would be very starnge if we were the only forms of life, there must be something out there somewhere, wether they are like us or are little geen men is anybodies guess:confused:

jambutty 01-07-2008 09:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 600783)
years ago when I was working along the 'tap-line' in Saudi Arabia you used to be able to set your watch (around noon time) by the Concorde going over from Bahrain to London , the speck in the sky had disappeared to the north -west by time you heard the 'boom' .

thread wander ....once heard a story that the Concorde was built on the same jigs as the scrapped TSR2 , seems unlikely , but possibly the wings had some similarity since they were both designed and built near Bristol , (Filton? /Fulton? )

Yes but that were the sonic boom you heard not the engines.

What I heard was a very loud engine noise that could only come from a low flying aircraft, no sighting and no sonic boom if it was going so fast (mach1 +) to have come, been and gone before the engine noise arrived.

Tealeaf 01-07-2008 09:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 600813)
Just a thought on UFOs when you think of the vastness of the galaxy it would be very starnge if we were the only forms of life, there must be something out there somewhere, wether they are like us or are little geen men is anybodies guess:confused:

There is some very strange alien life on the Accy Web.

jambutty 01-07-2008 09:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 600813)
Just a thought on UFOs when you think of the vastness of the galaxy it would be very starnge if we were the only forms of life, there must be something out there somewhere, wether they are like us or are little geen men is anybodies guess:confused:

Just what would an alien be like? Would he be like us? Who knows as no one has ever seen one - or have they?

They would obviously be intelligent and that means a brain and that means a place for the brain to be, like a head. In the interests of bodily efficiency the sensory organs would need to be near the brain and those sensory organs would need to be able to sample light, sound and smell. Without any of those attributes then I suggest that the alien would not have evolved as he did and would have been consigned to the evolutionary dustbin aeons ago.

So the alien would have a head, two eyes for binocular vision, anything less would be too much of a handicap and in any case you need two eyes to judge distances. He would also have to have two ears to enable him to hear sounds from all around him. He would a need a nose so that smells can be monitored and to breath through. Where all these organs might be is a matter for evolution but I suspect that they wouldn't be too different to ours. Our alien would also need something with which to eat with, like a mouth, which would double as a breathing device. So I guess that our arrangement will be pretty much universal as the animal kingdom here on earth has shown.

In a similar way the alien would have something akin to our internal organs encased in a body and legs to propel that body from place to place. The foot would probably have evolved into a four digits affair as we can do without our little toe when it comes to maintaining a balance. Any fewer digits would make the foot narrow and not too good for a major balancing act.

The alien would need arms on the end of which would be dexterous fingers, otherwise he would never have been able to build his space ship in the first place. Whether he has four fingers and a thumb is a moot point but if he has six or more digits then it would interfere with his dexterity. If his hands are to be different to ours then I suggest that he will have just three fingers and a thumb on each hand. It certainly won't be just one finger and one thumb. You need three digits to grip something firmly. It is unlikely that he would have just two fingers and a thumb as the fourth digit adds to the dexterity and grip. So an alien, being evolved further than we are, would probably have just four digits on each hand. Our little finger isn't much use to us except in playing musical instruments or typing. Then again five digits do give a stronger grip.

Finally his body would be covered with a skin of some sort, which would reflect his evolutionary environment. The whole package would walk upright to make the best use of eyes and ears and its height would be determined by where it evolved. A planet with a heavier gravity than ours would mean a shorter person than us unless they were immensely strong and vice versa. In any case a tall body on a planet with a heavier gravity than ours would need one hell of a heart type thing to pump the "blood" around. Evolution would have kept the body short. Then again we had monstrous dinosaurs.

All these organs would need to be nurtured and in order to do so there would need to be a commodity like blood to take the required nutrients to them. I suppose that it could be a gas of some sort but either way you couldn't rely on gravity to do the job so there would have to be a system where the "blood" is pumped around the body against gravity. If the circulation system relied on gravity they would never have crossed the millions of miles of zero gravity to get to us.

So there we have it, our alien wouldn't be too different from us but that would depend on how far up the evolutionary ladder he has progressed and where, in terms of gravitational pull, he came from.

The truth is out there, somewhere.

But has it been here?

jambutty 01-07-2008 09:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 600818)
There is some very strange alien life on the Accy Web.

It takes one to know one!

panther 01-07-2008 09:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 600818)
There is some very strange alien life on the Accy Web.

LOL, and i bet i know who that is....:rolleyes:....;)...:D

jaysay 01-07-2008 10:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 600818)
There is some very strange alien life on the Accy Web.

I did contenplate saying that myself but I wasn't brave enough Tealeaf:D:eek:

Boeing Guy 01-07-2008 11:33

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Okay,
JB the SR71 flys at 90,000 feet well above commercial traffic, it would be too dangerous below 50,000 we are all up there.

IF and it is a bloody big if, there is other life out there and they can reach us by interstellar travel, which is quite hard after all even if you can travel at the speed of light you will only travel 5,878,625,373,183.61 Miles in a year. In comparison our Galaxy the Milky Way is 100,000 light years across.
So these Aliens are really really clever.... SO why do they only pick up Mad American Rednecks? Slightly unhinged people? If such beings exist, why have they not landed at the UN? or the White House? or Red Square? If they can travel such vast distances, they will be able to translate our language. No problem.
I have no doubt that there is intelligent life out there, but whether they can visit us, well I doubt that.

jambutty 01-07-2008 13:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 600870)
Okay,
JB the SR71 flys at 90,000 feet well above commercial traffic, it would be too dangerous below 50,000 we are all up there.

Of course the SR71 magically appears at 90,000 feet after take off. Rather it climbs like any other aircraft and in doing so is under the control of air traffic control, either civilian or military, which will make sure that each aeroplane has enough airspace so as not to be a danger to other aircraft.

At 90,000 feet that is all the more reason why its engine noise wouldn’t be heard at ground level.

Sound, as we know, will not travel through a vacuum and struggles through a partial vacuum or a rarefied atmosphere. Unless my math has deserted me, 90,000 feet is about 17 miles. At between about 20,000 feet and 90,000 feet the atmosphere is thinish and gets even thinner the higher that you go.

So the next question is will sound travel some 17 miles in our atmosphere let alone through a good portion of rarefied air? If it was incredibly loud and well above the noise of a jet engine at full throttle it might. The level of sound is inversely proportional to the distance travelled. But the frequencies of the noise is also against long distance travel.

It is well known that the foghorns that once upon a time blared out their mournful sound to alert ships of proximity to land were of a very low frequency. It was proved that low sounds travel further than higher sounds but even these are limited to a handful of miles, if that. I wouldn’t recommend standing next to a shore based foghorn when it blasts out its sound. The ringing in you ears would take on a new meaning.

jambutty 01-07-2008 13:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 600870)
IF and it is a bloody big if, there is other life out there and they can reach us by interstellar travel, which is quite hard after all even if you can travel at the speed of light you will only travel 5,878,625,373,183.61 Miles in a year. In comparison our Galaxy the Milky Way is 100,000 light years across.
So these Aliens are really really clever.... SO why do they only pick up Mad American Rednecks? Slightly unhinged people? If such beings exist, why have they not landed at the UN? or the White House? or Red Square? If they can travel such vast distances, they will be able to translate our language. No problem.
I have no doubt that there is intelligent life out there, but whether they can visit us, well I doubt that.

I agree that it is highly unlikely that anyone from outside our galaxy has made the trip to liddle ol’ earth. But then we don’t know where our technology can lead to. And we know even less about any prospective alien technology.

So why indeed should an alien wish to come here? After all our solar system is very low down on a scale of universal significance.

Even if some advanced civilisation had the ability to travel vast distances in very short periods of time (via hyperspace if such a place exists?) what is so special about this planet? Well our green and pleasant earth can support our type of lifeform even if we are doing our best to destroy this attribute. Our planet is alive and self sustaining if given the chance and that must be attractive to a would be explorer.

Oxygen and water are the mainstays of our life and without either we would cease to exist. So any other lifeform that finds us would need to be similar to us to make it worth their while to land here. It is always possible that a lifeform that uses nitrogen or carbon dioxide as we use oxygen would find our planet a place to covet as both those gasses are plentiful in our atmosphere. Then there is gravity and the effects of living in a different gravitational field to the one that they were evolved into.

Any lifeform that has other living requirements would see earth as a hostile environment in the same way that we view Mars, Venus or the moon and would only give us just a cursory glance unless our planet was abundant in any minerals, energy or food sources that they would covet. They may be interested in Earth if they had the technology to make whatever alterations that they need or were able to adapt themselves to our environment. But that has to be some technology to alter a global environment or their own structure. We haven't colonised the oceans of the world because of the life threatening hostile environment underwater and have only rarely visited such areas.

So any visitation has to be from our own Galaxy. It is hard to imagine a being from another Galaxy being able and interested enough to go to another Galaxy. Even if they had the technology to "jump" from one Galactic Empire to another, surely their own Galaxy is more than big enough to keep them occupied for millions of years, unless they started millions of years ago. If the civilisation is that old, just imagine how far advanced they should be and would we interest them? Except for the odd "expert" are we as a species interested in the amoeba?

So with the assumption that it is highly unlikely that beings from another Galaxy would visit us, that only leaves creatures from our part of the Universe.

Our Galaxy is, as you say, 100,00 light years across so for anyone to leap from one end to the other they will need a very advanced technology. If Einstein is to be believed that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light then space travel is very limited indeed because of the vast distances and short life spans involved. They will need the capability to travel throughout our bit of the Cosmos in less than one tenth of their life span. Anything more would be hopelessly impractical unless their longevity is in the order of hundreds of years. Even so imagine using one fifth of your life to go somewhere and come back. If you relate it to humans then a journey of fifteen years away to somewhere and then fifteen years back is something that very few would contemplate. We can barely keep a man in space circling the globe for six months let alone thirty years. And even then we have to re-supply him with food etc. at short and regular intervals.

Just suppose that there is a lifeform out there that has evolved and advanced sufficiently to be able to make such a journey, would they come here as adversaries, explorers or what? I would suggest that any being from out there would come as an explorer or by accident. I find it hard to believe that an alien would come with a view to conquering the planet.

No one would venture on a journey of exploration without having some means of defending themselves and if they have the technology to get here quickly then surely they will have weapons that we can only dream about in our worst nightmares.

So if anyone is capable of visiting us they must do so as explorers or survivors.

Would the alien visitation be just one craft with a handful of crew? Unlikely unless he was sort of lost in space. If his visit were deliberate or exploratory then there would be a number of craft each carrying plenty of voyagers especially if they thought that there was a prospect of coming across other lifeforms. The lone starship exploring the Galaxy is a concept confined to Star Trek etc. and not reality. After all wouldn't he have some sort of back-up system like other craft in case of accidental damage to one of them? Columbus wasn't on his own when he discovered America.

So there we have it, an alien from our own Galaxy arrives to be greeted by us, a hostile and suspicious race only too ready to fear the worst. Wouldn't that alien reconnoitre first to see what we are like before committing himself to a meeting?

Would he just land in Hyde Park and announce to a startled passer by, "Take me to your leader?" Er! No! For a start he would have to have learned how to speak English, as it is very unlikely that his mother tongue was the same as ours.

He would observe our world from a distance and monitor our radio signals to try and find out something about us. He may even decide to come closer for a look see and having discovered that we have reached a particular level of progress in technological terms, would, I suspect, be wary of making contact especially if his was the only craft around with only a handful of crew. Even with a fleet at his command I suspect that before making an attempt to contact with us he would try and find out as much about us as possible, especially our defensive and offensive capabilities.

Any alien worth his salt would quickly establish that our flying machines in the atmosphere are limited for speed by that atmosphere and our miserable attempts to invade our own solar system are a joke, at least by his standards. He may observe our missiles and judge them to be a possible threat. Being clever enough to have got here from millions of miles away he would reason that except for a lucky break we are no match for him and would make a few sorties into our atmosphere for a closer look. He may even attempt to snatch a creature or two for analysis and that includes humans. After all don't we take specimens of lifeforms when we explore new lands and we don't put them back? Not that there are many areas left.

Even so his visits would be intended to be secretive except with the billions of people on this planet it is always possible that someone, somewhere would observe something.

Now comes the vexing question of, has there been a conspiracy of silence with some world governments?

If governments can keep secrets locked away for fifty years or more "in the national interest" then who is to say what they are capable of. Station X at Bletchley Park has been unknown for over fifty years, except to the ten thousand who worked there, until the recent documentary on TV. So if ten thousand can keep a secret, so can a few hundred.

Let us suppose that our alien had the misfortune, like ET, to be left behind after an exploratory mission to earth and he is picked up by the military and he was sufficiently different to us in appearance to make it obvious that his origins are more than just suspect. Would the military announce to the rest of us that "they" have landed? Definitely no! This discovery would have a security clamp around it tighter than around Fort Knox.

For a start it would destroy religion at a stroke and show it up for what it is, a means of controlling the masses. No government would willingly give up a means of controlling its citizens.

The military would try and gain the visitor's technology secrets for themselves so that they would have a real advantage in their world's petty squabbles. I think that the military (for military read government) would kill to keep their secret, even from their own citizens because they would consider it to be that important. Would the military be able to back engineer the technology found on a "star ship"? Would someone like Alexander Graham Bell be able to back engineer a simple digital watch had one been presented to him?

Boeing Guy 01-07-2008 14:22

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So thats me told then, god only trying to inject a bit of common sense.

However JB they SR71 only used to fly from US bases inside the US. However your superior knowledge all things means we should not dare to disagree with you.
So I won't

jambutty 01-07-2008 17:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 600924)
So thats me told then, god only trying to inject a bit of common sense.

However JB they SR71 only used to fly from US bases inside the US. However your superior knowledge all things means we should not dare to disagree with you.
So I won't

No it hasn’t. I never said you were wrong. I even agreed with some of your post and went on to give my view.

It wasn’t me who brought the SR71 into this thread, (Your post #55 and then #66).

Not much common sense in suggesting that what I heard might have been an SR71, then declaring, “they SR71 only used to fly from US bases inside the US.

I can’t think of a reason but then I thought what the heck, why not. So have some Karma to help you get off zero.

Boeing Guy 01-07-2008 17:36

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Okay so maybe, i was a bit quick off the handle, thanks for the Karma.

jaysay 02-07-2008 09:34

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As a matter of interest there's a program on channel 5 tonight at 8pm called Britain's Closest Encounters, about UFO sightings in GB begining with the Welsh Roswell:eek:

panther 02-07-2008 10:26

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seems interesting!, might watch that meself:D

jaysay 02-07-2008 10:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by panther (Post 601235)
seems interesting!, might watch that meself:D

Ya never know panther we might se some one off here:D:eek:

jambutty 02-07-2008 12:10

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Is there anyone else who is willing to help Boeing Guy get some Rep Power on the board?

Come on - be generous with your Karma. Its not as if it comes out of your stash.

***Mr D*** 02-07-2008 12:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 601282)
Is there anyone else who is willing to help Boeing Guy get some Rep Power on the board?

Come on - be generous with your Karma. Its not as if it comes out of your stash.

Why not.

Although I dont think Karma points show until you reach 100 posts.

Have some yourself to.

Loz 02-07-2008 14:09

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Really enjoyed reading your posts JB you make some really good points and put across an intelligent viewpoint on a subject that usually turns into fantasy pretty quickly!
Nice to see other believers on here!
Karma on the way JB.

jambutty 02-07-2008 17:09

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To borrow that phrase from Tesco “Every little helps”.:rolleyes: as the actress said to the Bishop!

Thanks for the Karma Mr D and you too Loz.

Bonnyboy 02-07-2008 20:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 601219)
As a matter of interest there's a program on channel 5 tonight at 8pm called Britain's Closest Encounters, about UFO sightings in GB begining with the Welsh Roswell:eek:

Watched it, it was ok, I didn't find it "edge of your seat" viewing but it passed on an hour :)

Loz 02-07-2008 21:38

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Thanks Jambutty much appreciated!:D

jaysay 03-07-2008 09:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 601457)
Watched it, it was ok, I didn't find it "edge of your seat" viewing but it passed on an hour :)

Ya quite agree BB, interesting to a point but nothing earth shattering, mind you it looks like its a series as its on again next week at the same time

jambutty 03-07-2008 12:37

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Pretty boring really.

Well there’s always next week. It’s not as if they are going to come out with the big stuff in the first episode.

katex 04-07-2008 17:31

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Just nearly wet myself laughing .. just heard a short news bulletin whereby this lovely Welshman made a 999 call to report a static round bright object in the sky .. after investigation, turned out to be .....


















THE MOON .... :rofl38:

Don't you just love us British.

WillowTheWhisp 04-07-2008 19:04

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I read that - how could he not know what the Moon looks like? :D

I have been reading something very interesting recently about M-theory and parallel universes. The string theory doesn't hold water when extrapolated to its ultimate but the multiverse theory explains everything.

Loz 04-07-2008 23:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 602149)
Just nearly wet myself laughing .. just heard a short news bulletin whereby this lovely Welshman made a 999 call to report a static round bright object in the sky .. after investigation, turned out to be .....


















THE MOON .... :rofl38:

Don't you just love us British.

LOL!!
That is priceless and utterly British,love it!:D

Benipete 05-07-2008 00:02

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Ah - but which moon was it?

jaysay 05-07-2008 09:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602218)
I read that - how could he not know what the Moon looks like? :D

I have been reading something very interesting recently about M-theory and parallel universes. The string theory doesn't hold water when extrapolated to its ultimate but the multiverse theory explains everything.

I think its called Newcastle Brown Ale or something the same that makes you think the moon is a UFO Willow:D

WillowTheWhisp 05-07-2008 09:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 602359)
Ah - but which moon was it?

Maybe it was the lost moon of Poosh (sp?) :D

mrPK 02-08-2008 22:16

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UFO youtube movie

I filmed that last weekend in Helmshore- Rossendale :eek:

Im not saying its little green men but it sure is odd :confused:

The Rossendale free press stole it and used it on their site even though I said not too, damn youtube being public lol!!

jambutty 02-08-2008 22:57

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You can see quite clearly that all the bright light movement was caused by the camera moving and not the bright lights.

Verb sap!

Mancie 03-08-2008 03:50

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Just like to tell of a strange experience I had some years ago while driving back to Accrington

On a dark Lancashire highway, cool wind in my hair
Warm smell of steak puddings, rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw shimmering light
My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim
I had to stop for the night
There she stood in the doorway;
I heard the last orders bell
And I was thinking to myself,
'This could be Knuzden or this could be Hell'
Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
There were voices down the corridor,
I thought I heard them say...
bollock head your in Accy!

steeljack 03-08-2008 04:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 614182)
Just like to tell of a strange experience I had some years ago while driving back to Accrington

On a dark Lancashire highway, cool wind in my hair
Warm smell of steak puddings, rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw shimmering light
My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim
I had to stop for the night
There she stood in the doorway;
I heard the last orders bell
And I was thinking to myself,
'This could be Knuzden or this could be Hell'
Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
There were voices down the corridor,
I thought I heard them say...
bollock head your in Accy!

now thats a post definatly worth a few karma points :D :D

jaysay 03-08-2008 09:34

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Saw things like that on many occasions when I lived in Hassy. Before I was persuaded to take a look one night by a UFO enthusiast I was very sceptical about UFOs, but I ain't now.:eek:


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