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" I cannot shake your hand sir" Im a Muslim and your a man .......

Just browsing before i go off to bed and found this..... I think its disgusting actually, but did get me wondering what the outcome was...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...youre-man.html

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When is this country going to stand up to the Muslims and tell them that they live in a Christian country and must abide by our rules? If their rules clash with ours, our rules take precedence.

In any case didn’t anyone have the wit to suggest wearing gloves?

However it would appear that she was trying to make a propaganda statement just like that schoolgirl quite a while back. The whole incident could be turned right around so that it appears that Blair wouldn’t shake hands with her because she was a Muslim.

Mind you I wouldn’t shake Blair’s hand with or without gloves.

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'The woman had earlier insisted that it was contrary to her religious teaching for her to touch a man'


well excuse me, this is another case of....'why is she a copper in the first place'?
surely she will have to arrest a 'man' at some point in her career, will she let him run off because she cant touch him for religious reasons?


what is this world coming to???????

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i dare say the PC lot will be saying "oh well done nice job!!!!!"


Fully agree with JB our country our rules or leave!!

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If it is part of the job to touch a man, she should not be a copper

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Traditionally barristers don't shake hands with each other apparently, or so I read in a law magasine. It said to be cautious of work placements of it as you could be sneered at for not knowing the custom! I spoke to the young barrister who I'm shadowing in August though and he said it's not ALL barristers but it can happen! :eek: scary!

It's a very different but very similar scenario in some ways, so I thought I'd just add that.

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What a surprise!! An anti-Muslim news story in the Daily Mail. Whatever next??? Bare breasted women in The Sun?

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This isn't why she isn't shaking his hand and I think that is really obvious. Shaking hands is a greeting to men traditionally as a sign of being equal to one another, and muslims still follow the tradition that men are the greater sex. I think she's being quite respectful to the police officer considering, and treating him the same she'd treat any other man. Good on her I say.

And Jambutty, since when has it been a 'rule' to shake hands? I met Lolly on the bus yesterday and I didn't feel compelled to shake her hand, even though thats typically what you do when you meet someone for the first time. Don't be such a dimwit.

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I am old enough to remember life in Britain in the 60's and 70's. then men regularly ignored women and shook hands with the 'head of the household' eg the male.
It took the 1976 Sex Equality Act and lots of social changes, for women to be offered the opportunity to shake hands with men, so I see this attitude as being a great set back for women. Let this carry on and we will find ourselves back in the kitchen and by the way in a minority in the police force . I also remember when 'WPC's' did only the paper work and call outs involving children.God forbid we go back to that.
Did anyone else notice in the article that the mentioned that this women was a 'non asian Muslim' I think the key to the incident lies there. Converts always interpret a religion more zealously than thos born to the same religion.
As for shaking hands with a barrister, who would want to? Well ok maybe their bank manager!

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Well to be quite honest I'm sick of hearing about Muslims, I agree with JB on this when in Rome do as the Romans, this woman must have known that most of her work means dealing and touching other people a good percentage of them men, so why want a job in the police, or is it just a case of minorities undermining the British way of life.

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bloody pathetic....yet again!

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What caught my eye in your post blazey was “you could be sneered at for not knowing the custom!”

Now that overwhelms me, completely overwhelms me. Not because you quoted the statement but because of that attitude still prevails.

Sneering at people just because they don’t know something is inexcusable, particularly from a profession that is allegedly extremely well educated.

I’ve always been taught that if I do not know something then ask someone who does. Sadly over the years I have fallen victim to such an attitude many times. Because I dared to ask a question. I guess that it was a childish attempt by someone to show how superior they were to me.

I thought that such an attitude had died out in the modern ages but to find it alive and kicking in the legal profession is astounding.

Psssst! Magazine is spelled with a z not an s. But then it could have been a typo seeing as the z and s keys are adjacent to each other. However the real point is, that as a prospective lawyer you really should check your post before posting it, if you want to make a good impression.

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Naughty, naughty JB if we all had to be word perfect on here there wouldn't be to many people posting, I know I'd be knackered:D

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Did I say that it is a rule to shake hands? I don’t think so.

Your interpretation of shaking hands is as far from the truth as you can get. The reality is that men would shake hands when they met to show each other that they didn’t have a weapon in their hand. It then developed into a form of greeting when men no longer carried weapons as a matter of course, which was then extended to women as a courtesy.

I’m disappointed in you for having to resort to name calling. However, you are aware that it takes one dimwit to recognise another? So welcome to the dimwits club.:rofl38:

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well blazey ya asked for that.....:rolleyes:

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Sorry polly but what you described was in Dickensian times.

In the Victorian era men would shake the gloved hand of a lady after being introduced to her or rather to take the hand a plant a gentle kiss on it, usually with a comment of “your servant”.

Being brought up in the forties and fifties as I was, I was taught to shake hands when introduced to someone, regardless of their sex. It was far better than having some hag slobber all over me, with cold sores and all.

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Not really jaysay. If blazey intends to make it in the legal world, accuracy in the written and oral word is essential.

In any case I wasn’t nasty about it.

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To get back to the original post I would imagine a long and expensive Court Case will follow with the officer saying she should be Chief Constable etc etc

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What you mean wadey she will be Chief Constable by now won't she:D

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Get the woman sacked I say, and no I dont mean blazey. lol

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Agree with JB when in rome and all that.
Why do a job that will put you in contact with men on a daily basis?
Ridiculous IMO.

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It concerns me that this woman wears a hijab on duty. Not only is she not conforming to the uniform, and how many non-muslims get away with that, but this item could, surely, be used harmfully towards her. Policemen wear clip-on ties so that they can't be used to throttle them and a headscarf could make a very good noose. Respect for Faiths is all very good but it's becoming farcical. If you join the British police, nominally a secular organisation, you should be required to accept and conform to all the aspects of being a British police officer.

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Seems like you guys are getting into the "reasonable accomodation" debate .... In all parts of Canada, particularly Quebec, there has been an ongoing debate about how far Canadians should go in accomodating immigrants ... what seems to have happened is that the debate has narrowed to "how far should we go to accomodate muslims" because they seem to be the only group that wants to stay in Canada, and yet have special privileges because they are muslim. All other groups seem more than happy to fit in to traditional Canadian values (altho' there is, obviously, some debate as to what these values are). Quebecers are honest and straightforward enough to state openly that is it certain muslims who are being a real pain in the butt. Bottom line is: Canada will be reasonable in accomodating new Canadians, the only group that deserves special treatment are First Nations people, who were here before the rest of us anyway. Ask most Canadians about the special treatment muslims are demanding (demanding, not asking for) and they will say something like "fit in, or go the hell home."

I like the sentiment expressed on a bumper sticker on an American tourist's car: "America: if your heart isn't in it, get your ass out of it."

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Great sticker!

United Kingdom: if your heart isn't in it, get your ass out of it.

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I don't agree with that divergeance from standard uniform either but at least a Sikh turban can act as a helmet and can be knocked off the head, not pulled against the throat.

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as was said by others, sod all the waffle. WHEN IN ROME.:cool:

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I never said that it was right that a Sikh policeman wears his turban. I was just answering your question. Although I seem to recall from the darkest reaches of my ageing brain cell that the turban is reinforced in some way to act as a helmet. Maybe I just dreamed it or maybe it was just in India?

However the point is that the precedence has already been established with the Sikhs so the police had to allow a Muslim policewoman to wear the hijab on duty and the hijab now constitutes part of the uniform.

This looks like yet another case of where the powers that be didn’t think things through when pandering to the religious whims of immigrants.

I wonder what would happen if a Jewish man joined the police force? Would he be allowed to wear the “yamulke” or “kippah” as it is more popularly known these days?

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Sikhs who join the RCMP are allowed to wear turbans .... s'ok with me 'cause Sikhs don't bitch and whine ... they come here to make a life for themselves and their families. They like Canada the way it is, and don't try to change it.

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Funny you should mention jews ... there was one hockey player in the minor leagues in Quebec who wanted the Friday and Saturday fixtures moved because they conflicted with the Sabbath ... it seems he was laughed into silence by everyone, even his fellow jews.:tongueout

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Your lucky Eric, every Tom, Dick and Abdul come here and the establishment bend over backwards to make us conform to what they want, and if you complain your a little Englander or a racist, is it any woner that around 400,000 people every year stick two fingers up to Britain and look for a new life abroad.:(