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WillowTheWhisp 03-07-2008 15:11

How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
IDs of viewers of Youtube clips to be revealed to Viacom?

Here's the story.

Less 03-07-2008 15:23

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Will it effect us? It is after all a U.S. Court ruling, not a dodgy EEC we know it's stupid but you will obey type ruling!

Bonnyboy 03-07-2008 15:23

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Can’t see Google taking this lying down. Should be interesting to see what the official Google response is once the bods on the West Coast of the USA wake up.

I don’t think it will make a difference to AccyWeb. It's not as though Viacom are seeking paymet for viewing any of their content.

WillowTheWhisp 03-07-2008 15:30

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Ah, but will it come to that Bonnyboy - that's what I'm wondering.

jaysay 03-07-2008 15:34

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 601680)
Ah, but will it come to that Bonnyboy - that's what I'm wondering.

Could well do Willow we all know what our frends accross the pond are like

polly 03-07-2008 15:41

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
I didnt sleep much last night, could someone explain this thread to me in simple, non techie, words please?

WillowTheWhisp 03-07-2008 15:48

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
A court in the USA has ruled that Google must show them the database (recorded log) of every user who has ever watched any video on YouTube. It contains the IP number (unique login ID) of the user who watched it, the time when the user watched it, the IP address (unique online identifier) of the computer used to watch the video and the identifier for the video.

So that's anyone and everyone who has ever watch anything and everything. They want to know who you are, where you are, what you watched and when.

polly 03-07-2008 15:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 601688)
A court in the USA has ruled that Google must show them the database (recorded log) of every user who has ever watched any video on YouTube. It contains the IP number (unique login ID) of the user who watched it, the time when the user watched it, the IP address (unique online identifier) of the computer used to watch the video and the identifier for the video.

So that's anyone and everyone who has ever watch anything and everything. They want to know who you are, where you are, what you watched and when.

Thank you now I understand.
I guess it is for child protection cases?

Loz 03-07-2008 16:00

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Will this affect people uploading videos to Acyweb etc...?
Not following it 100 percent i'm afraid!

Neil 03-07-2008 16:54

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 601676)
Will it effect us? It is after all a U.S. Court ruling, not a dodgy EEC we know it's stupid but you will obey type ruling!

AccyWeb servers are in the US

steeljack 03-07-2008 17:22

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Originally Posted by polly (Post 601693)
Thank you now I understand.
I guess it is for child protection cases?

its got nothing to do with child protection (typical brainwashing paranoia again , stop reading the Sun , not everyone has kiddie porn on their PC) its all about $$$$$$$ MONEY $$$$$$$ :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

jambutty 03-07-2008 17:30

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Just another nail in your “private life not so private anymore” coffin.

But the real issue is the posting of copyright material, like clips from movies or TV programmes.

Viacom said it had identified about 160,000 unauthorised clips of its programmes on the website, which had been viewed more than 1.5 billion times.

Why they want to know who viewed them is beyond me though, unless Viacom have an ulterior motive, like targeted advertising. If Viacom knows who viewed say a sci fi clip they would assume that the viewer was a sci fi fan and target them for buying/renting sci fi films books etc. Or they could be looking for payment from the viewers who view unauthorised clips of films, football etc.

I should have thought that viewing a clip or “trailer” of a film might encourage the viewer to buy the full package. But hey what do I know? I’m just an old geezer.

Neil 03-07-2008 17:38

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
When they find these unauthorised files they should request youtube to take them off

banjoman 03-07-2008 18:28

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Interestingly if they use the IP address to prosecute, then that becomes "a personafiable data object" and may fall under the Data protection Act.

Its a toughie. Piracy is a crime, we all know that. However there is no facility for cheap, quick downloads ... The government is currently banging the heads of ISPs and Msuic industries to find a way. However I think that some of them are too greedy

For example..I`m on my way home in the car and a song I haven`t heard for ages comes on the radio. Later that night its still tinkling round my head and so I go and look on iTunes and go "HOW MUCH ?????". I give up on that and at the same time an advert comes on TV announcing I can rent or buy GroovyMovie 3.. But I want it now at the right price.. Its not on Sky Box Office , and I dont like buying DVDs as I`ll watch them only once.

However if the song from iTunes was 5p , and the film was a watch once for 99p I`d have spent some money that night. As it is the song is £2.99 and the film £15 to buy from a shop the next day so none of them get my money. I think its time for the entertainment industries to move with the times and work towards the market the customers want, rather than trying to hang on to their high profit but dwindling markets.

WillowTheWhisp 03-07-2008 21:18

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz (Post 601694)
Will this affect people uploading videos to Acyweb etc...?

That's what I was wondering, because:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 601712)
AccyWeb servers are in the US


Loz 03-07-2008 21:45

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Does anybody know about uploading videos?
Does it come under breach of copyright if you share them with other people?
Very confused!!

WillowTheWhisp 03-07-2008 22:01

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
If the video is copyright then yes it does.

jambutty 04-07-2008 04:37

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz (Post 601885)
Does anybody know about uploading videos?
Does it come under breach of copyright if you share them with other people?
Very confused!!

The copyright laws are basically quite clear.

If you produce some written text, take a photograph, produce a sound or video recording of something or paint a picture, you hold the copyright to it. You cannot claim copyright to the title of a book, song etc. You do not have to include the copyright sign or the date but it is useful to do so if it ever comes to a claim of breach of copyright. It is not unknown for two composers to compose the same tune so a date becomes crucial in establishing who holds the copyright to it.

Just as a small aside – the photographer who took your wedding photos etc. holds the copyright to them not you - even if he hands over the negatives. However by the act of handing over the negatives it could be argued that he was also handing over his claim of copyright of the pictures. Strictly speaking he should also hand over a document relinquishing his copyright in your favour.

If someone copies your work, whether it is for their own personal use or not, it is a breach of copyright. By posting a film on YouTube that someone else made, it breaches the filmmakers copyright on that film. By allowing the film to be published on their web site, YouTube are aiding and abetting the breach of copyright.

What isn’t clear is if anyone viewing such a film is also in breach of copyright. No doubt that will be argued out in a court of law but I cannot see how they can be. But then I’m not a copyright lawyer.

So to answer your question Loz – if you download a video, make a copy of it and share it with someone else without the copyright holder’s permission you are in breach of copyright as is the person receiving your copy, whether they view it or not. However by supplying a link to where that video can be viewed is not breaching the copyright laws.

Just to throw everything into confusion, because of the nature of the Internet and the ease that digital information can be copied, some people claim that if the material is posted on a web site it, in effect, becomes “open source”. Meaning that people who post material on the Internet know that it can be copied easily so by posting the material on the Internet they are to all intents and purposes relinquishing their copyright to that material. That should keep the lawyers busy for years to come.

Now my brain hurts and I’m going back to bed.

ISparky 04-07-2008 08:08

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Surely Viacom can't go after people for watching a video on YouTube there gripe wold be with the poster of the Video.

I'm not sure how the IP address is going to help them as in this country most people are assigned there IP dynamically by their ISP every time they switch on there connection. So Viacom would have to get IP logs from every ISP and compare one list against another on a minuet by minute basis. Now that would be a cure for insomnia

WillowTheWhisp 04-07-2008 08:58

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
It would be a mammoth task. I just can't see it being practical.

Neil 04-07-2008 10:02

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ISparky (Post 601958)
Surely Viacom can't go after people for watching a video on YouTube there gripe wold be with the poster of the Video.

That is a good point. How are you supposed to know what it is until you have watched it

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISparky (Post 601958)
I'm not sure how the IP address is going to help them as in this country most people are assigned there IP dynamically by their ISP every time they switch on there connection.

They can do it easily. I know ;)

Loz 04-07-2008 10:55

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
Thanks JB makes sense now but it does make your head hurt!!

grannyclaret 04-07-2008 11:01

Re: How do you reckon this is going to affect AccyWeb?
 
This is another thing for my poor little pea size brain to ponder on,,:eek:


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