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A new 'bus timetable' has appeared on the pole at the bus stop at the top of Ormerod Street. Now instead of listing the time it leaves town, gets up here, gets to Fern Gore, comes back down again etc it simply states that buses are due at that particular stop at 22 minutes past the hour and every 20 minutes thereafter.
OK minimalist it mat be but as long as it's practical I suppose that's not necessarily a bad thing. So I leave the house just on the hour and as I round the corner what do I see? The bus leaving the bus stop further down the road! Is this the 18 minutes to which is late or the 12 minutes past which is early? As it happens I was walking to town but that's not the point - the point is what is the point of a new timetable with new times when the bus itself seems to be keeping to an entirely different schedule? Yes I will be complaining just as soon as I find contact details for Transdev. |
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It was never like this when Accrington Corporation ran it! Deregulation - another unfortunate legacy of the Thatcher era.
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Presumably this also means we will have to go and get those stupid passes for the kids to get half fare ?
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all the kids are supposed to have them anyway, Reece has had his for almost a year now
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Emzie has had one of those passes for a while.
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i know the kids around here dont all have them, but thats because they go everywhere in their family cars, they'll have a shock in September when they all need one to get the bus to Rhyddings
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Our kids have never needed to use Transdev buses so they haven't needed one.
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Em got her pass before Transdev came into it. They covered a few different ones. Mind you, we always had the same bus driver who knew them anyway so he never asked to see it.
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I can only imagine that the one which wasn't on that schedule may have got held up at some point and then, as it's one bus on a continuous loop, he hadn't got chance of catching upon himself. I have also learned that there are more hospital buses than I knew about and have now got a note of those for future reference. |
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even when Reece gets on my bro-in-laws bus he has to show him his pass, even though he knows just how old Reece is, its in case the inspector gets on, sad but true
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They only put these notices up for show anyway, stops the lamppost looking naked:D
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Well the previous notice was a much more proper one. This one is naff.
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:rolleyes: Can I pretend you didn't just say that?
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Well it did used to be Accrington Transport before Transdev took over.
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Nope. This was a small private company, not council run.
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In what context? The company used to be a privately run company called Accrington Transport. It was taken over by Transdev but is still known as Accrington Transport (but part of Transdev). At no time was it ever anything to do with Accrington Corporation Transport or ever called Hyndburn Transport. Just clarifying that to avoid any possible confusion.
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To avoid any possible confusion. A bus company bids for a particular route and has to carry out the restrictions and regulations for the running of the service. Lancashire County Council for Hyndburn are responsible for the running of bus services and the protection of revenue for the area. Inspectors for the particular companies and for Lancashire County Council are authorised to board any subsidised buses and check that that all the regulations are carried out to the letter of the contract. Just to clarify the situation to avoid any possible confusion I am fully aware of the situation regarding de-regulised transport and I am willing to give you a lesson anytime. |
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If I may just clarify the situation (with respect), Accrington Corporation Transport Department became the Borough of Hyndburn Transport Department in the late seventies, and then on the 26th October 1986 became Hyndburn Transport Limited in line with the deregulation of public transport bill (1985). It was then that things started to go downhill as it ceased to be a public service but instead had to show a profit, some routes were subsidised by Lancashire County Council in the evenings but this was eventually removed and this was the start of the shambles of a bus service that you have today in Accrington, as it is now if you wish to travel out in the evenings or Sundays you have either to take a cab or walk, you certainly can't catch the bus thanks to Mrs Thatcher and her followers.
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You can give me as many lessons as you like dear. That is not what I was talking about. I was referring to the ownership of the company which owns the buses which trundle up and down Ormerod Street. The buses are now owned by Transdev and the bus drivers are employed by Transdev. In different areas of the country the different subsections of Transdev are still 'trading' under the name of the company which Transdev took over/bought out. So although driver A's employer may be Transdev , the bus may have a Transdev and/or an Accrington Transport logo on it and if you want to phone them up regarding the Fern Gore bus you do not look up 'Transdev' in the phone book. You look up 'Accrington Transport' because that is what they are still known as for this area. I do know all about subsidised routes and bus inspectors thank you but that has nothing to do with any of this. Accrington Transport was never at any time anything to do with ACT or Hyndburn Transport Ltd any more than Fraser Eagle has anything to do with Wallace Arnold! |
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Pensioners have to show bus passes to qualify for reduced fares. I don't see any problems with passes for students. In fiscal terms, that is how the councils subsides the bus routes. Timetables are submitted by the bus companies to the licensing authority and are subject to approval before any changes are made. Bus companies don't, and have never carried passengers for free. How Frazer Eagle and Wallace Arnold got in there I'm not sure but if they are running school buses on subsidised routes, they too have to comply. Private company 'Accrington Transport' not an issue really? |
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I was using Fraser Eagle and Wallace Arnold as an example of two companies I was sure you would realise had no connection with each other - by way of illustration. How is it not an issue? If I wanted to complain about a bus driver for some reason then I would need to contact his employer and his employer (if he was driving a Fern Gore bus) would be Transdev still contactable under the ID of Accrington Transport for this particular area. If it was for another area then it would come under Lancashire United. Both are actually Transdev but there is no point in contacting the Lancashire United branch if it's about a Fern Gore bus because they have nothing to do with the Fern Gore buses.
Do you understand me yet? The two are owned by Transdev but operate separately. |
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I understood you first time round.
I have just added more points to your post tally. |
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Oh good. I wasn't clear that you had got my drift. :)
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willow your not the only one who is peeded off with trensdev I whent to blackburn a few weeks ago now an decided to go to wightburk to check out the price of a computer when i got back to the bus stop the timetable said the bus was due at 22 mins past the hour so i wated but no bus came down but 5 bus's went up.
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Thank god we still have rossendale transport ....... even though its privately owned by the council.
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We have been going to Manchester each Saturday for the last 4 weeks....the first 3 weeks we caught the 8.53 at the Hare and Hounds X41 straight through...no need to change at Accy.
Last week we went up for the bus, same time as usual...no bus. it seems that the bus route for X41 has now changed and it comes from Blackburn.........there was no notice of this on the bus the previous week(one way of notifying service users - and a good way..much more likely to see it). There was it seems, some information in the local papers...but I didn't see it. So we stood there like a pair of Lemons until gone 9am and got on the bus to Accy...then into the big queue for a SINGLE decker. I was not impressed. |
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you may not have rossendale transport for long the way transdev are going about things, I'v been told by a friend in lancashire of mine that that works for them, that transdev are tryin to buy out all the bus companys in this region.
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I finally got to the bottom of this timetable malarky. The times of the Fern Gore buses have NOT changed.
This means that the bus which went past the stop at the back of our house was LATE (or early depending on which one it was meant to be.) Looks like Transdev were trying to pass the buck. |
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now to me this is a good thing (to others it may not be) i know if i buy a bus pass/day pass i can use it on several different buses in several different towns because Transdev own them. When i go upto my sisters on Willows lane i know i can get a bus ticket for the day that gets me from my house in Blackburn, into Accy and then on the bus upto Fern Gore and back again and it only costs me £4 and i can use it all day going wherever i want within Darwen, Blackburn and Hyndburn (this is called a £4 spot on ticket) With the more expensive £6 day passes you can even go to Burnley and Manchester. now to me that has to be an improvement on the transport system we used to have? i know on Rossendale transport these tickets for the day only cost £3.50 but you have more scope with Transdev and the buses are newer |
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why? with rossendale rovers you can go to bury, blackburn, rochdale, manchester, accrington, haslingden, rawtenstall, bacup, ramsbottom.
Copied from rossendale transports own website - their fleetlist is given and Fleet Size 108 Average Fleet age 6.87 Transdev does not have a fleet list for either blackburn or burnley or accrington so i dont know if their buses are newer. |
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I got a weekly ticket off Transdev yesterday can I use it on buses other than Transdev??
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I missed off Burnley and Bolton as well where you can visit with Rossendale Transport on your £3.50 ticket.
Bernie think its only transdev buses you can use it on. |
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Was just wondering because there is a map showing where it can be used to ie Rising Bridge, Hyndburn Bridge, Redcap etc will make enquires tomorrow.
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you cant get to Manchester on them anymore Jen and they have also stopped that bus that used to go through Loveclough to Burnley, its run by stagecoach now :( i must admit that i use Rossendale rover tickets quite a lot when i'm going to Bury, we stop off every so often and go to a park, i was really naffed off that Rossendale transport doesnt do the loveclough bus anymore because i wanted to show Reece where i used to live and the only way RT go to Burnley now is through Water and it takes ages |
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they Rossendale day passes have now gone up to £3.60 btw
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I received an apology from TransDev today regarding their driver making the kids walk to school because they were out of uniform, they reckoned he was a driver on loan from a different area who thought kids had to have an ID pass - not sure that is quite true as the kids say he has driven their bus regularly - but at least they did apologise and said the driver was made aware not to leave kids stranded again.
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To add to this thread i have just had a mass row with a transdev driver because he tried charging my daughter who WAS in uniform & being escorted by me, full fare:mad: luckily he saw grace but thrusted a app form for the saver card.
Now im absolutely disgusted, U16's should have half fare least till 16th birthday but i feel transdev are totally abusing the policy by introducing a chargable saver card which require passport pic so more expense - even more a joke is they have a monopoly on buses here so choice is now not an option!!!!! I shall be directing my disgust to Greg Pope & also this thread because its scandalous!!!! As if anyone over the school age would dress up school uniform just to avoid the full fare - is seriously taking the wee wee !! Especially when school children rely on the bus service which more often or not is now provided by the monopoly who charge £2 per saver card per child - raking it in i think! |
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The time keeping isn't getting any better either. There seemed to be a whole bus missing yesterday on the Fern Gore run.
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:rolleyes: bla bla bla ....
Fact of the matter is there a crap idea, an excuse to squeeze yet more money out of cash strapped parents. Fine, if they feel the need to install this system at weekends when a driver would have to use his disgression and be up for abuse if he questioned the darling little sweethearts, but kids in school uniform during the week :confused: I don't think I know many 16+ kids that would dress in a school uniform just to get half fair |
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Got required ID for my child last year and she has only ever been asked for it on the X41 service, never on the Rossendale Transport one. :confused:
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different bus companies Linds, x41 is Transdev, Reece has never been asked for I.D when we've gone to Bury on Ross transport either, said before though, he even needs to have his Transdev I.D with him when he gets on his uncles bus, unfortunately its just something that we have to deal with :( Reece's pass ran out and rather than having to pay for 4 new pics of him i sent him down to waves for his new pass, they take the pic for you and the pass (including the pic) only costs you £2 |
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I intended to get an ID pass for my youngest this school year, just to save any hassle but hadn't got round to having the photos done for it when I had to take him to Blackburn hospital for x rays. The driver asked how old he was and if he had a card, I said no but that I had passport with me if he wanted to check that, he muttered that he should have a card really but that he would 'let me off'. On the paperwork for the form it says they should have a card or other photo ID - I thought a passport was exactly that but the driver didn't seem to think so.
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Why do kids get cheaper bus fares? Not that I am complaining or anything I just wondered, after all they take up a seat on the bus the same as a full fare paying passenger.
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I use these buses regularly, with us now living in Clayton and the kids attending Peel Park
Some of the drivers are just horrible! One instance, few weeks ago young lad had got on but had no change, he got on before Sparth House and ended the journey at Crown, to be told by the bus driver the whole trip he wasn't getting his change from the money he gave him as he should of provided change, being the customer and all, not too sure how much the lad was owed but the driver was told he should be ashamed of himself when we were getting off! Next instance is tonight, I thought those passes were to be used for proving you are under 16?! A poor young girl got on the bus, was 12 at the most! To get rollocked off the driver for forgetting her pass! I thought he was gonna leave her at the bus stop! Imagine if these were your kids! And we always have to wait half an hour for a bus after school time cos they are ALWAYS late! :rolleyes: |
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Why do certain bus companies feel they need these passes and some don't ? Is it really going to break the bank if a few children pay half fare when they don't have their passes. What happened to common sense ?
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Was only told last night by my son that on Monday morning the driver of the 8.10 bus to Fern Gore refused to let him and his friends on the bus unless they paid full fare, even though they were all in school uniform, telling them that his wasn't a school bus and they would have to wait for the 8.30.
On Tuesday morning, the driver of the 8.10 was a regular one and they told him what had happened the day before - he said the other driver was in the wrong and that he would report him for it. |
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This bus service has gone to pot since it became Transdev. I think I know the bus driver you mean AccyMad. There's one who is a right miserable devil and seems to go out of his way to be as awkward as he possibly can. It used to be that we had such lovely bus drivers on the Fern Gore run. They were always polite and cheerful and helpful.Now it's just the few old familiar faces who are pleasant, with the addition of some total pains in the wotsit.
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hi, i work for Transdev, and when the new rules came out they were introduced down south before up here. the reason for them being introduced is to stop the 16-18 yr olds trying to get on the buses for half fare, as previous rules were just to ask their age. the company as a whole (transdev buses) says if they dont have a card they must pay the full fare, (but i tend to use my discression, and just ask their dob, which i could get in trouble for doing by our revenue inspectors), but then on the route im on we dont use the passes as in preston and skipton they are not used-yet. but as a whole i dont refuse anyone travel in i feel they are able to travel and just issue a ticket to the fare tendered.
the other thing is not all drivers are the same, i treat the passengers how they treat me, just like the other 90% of the drivers and all we ask for is a little respect, as for vehicles running late and missing trips this could be down to traffic, accidents on the roads, or mechanical breakdowns...ect sorry to go on a bit but i felt the other side was required, as all we do is do as we are told! we are informed we are paid to drive not to think that is the inspectors job. thanks for reading Paul. |
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I know what you're saying Paul, the drivers are only doing as they are told when asking the kids for id, to me the company are just being greedy - ok the cards only cost 2 quid but that adds up when every kid has to have one and for parents there is the cost of the photos on top which is another 4 or 5 quid. I do not believe there is a need for such a card when the kids are in uniform and so are obviously travelling to & from school, fine at the weekends when it is sometimes difficult to assess their age, but how many kids would seriously wear their uniform when they do not have to just to get half fare on the bus?? |
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